It's okay for the government to harrass you if they don't like your politics.

[dandi]

Star Member dkf (32,473 posts)

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AP Exclusive: IRS knew tea party targeted in 2011
WASHINGTON (AP) - Senior Internal Revenue Service officials knew agents were targeting tea party groups as early as 2011, according to a draft of an inspector general's report obtained by The Associated Press that seemingly contradicts public statements by the IRS commissioner.

The IRS apologized Friday for what it acknowledged was "inappropriate" targeting of conservative political groups during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status. The agency blamed low-level employees, saying no high-level officials were aware.

But on June 29, 2011, Lois G. Lerner, who heads the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt organizations, learned at a meeting that groups were being targeted, according to the watchdog's report. At the meeting, she was told that groups with "Tea Party," ''Patriot" or "9/12 Project" in their names were being flagged for additional and often burdensome scrutiny, the report says.

http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268798/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=213eUSft

Ugh.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022830212

Star Member tularetom (17,345 posts)
4. Why shouldn't the IRS investigate a group that constantly whines about the injustice of taxation?

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There's nothing in the world "inappropriate" about checking the tax returns of people who publicly advocate tax evasion and open rebellion against the government. They do everything but boast about how they won't pay taxes so they're either liars or tax cheats.

The IRS would be doing less than what we pay them to do if they failed to investigate these groups. They have nothing to apologize for IMO.

Unless this is yet another example of umpteen dimensional chess that's to complex for me to grasp.

Because outside of a random audit, the government should have some evidence of a crime other than "I don't like high taxes" before they start investigating and harassing citizens.  DUmbass.

Star Member Berlum (3,614 posts)
10. Well, were they in fact VIOLATING their tax-exempt status?

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We know for a fact that Republicans do not do responsibility, and do not want to contribute to or support the USA which they so routinely sponge off of...

How long does a DUmmy have to practice in front of a mirror so they can deliver that line straight-faced?

Quantess (23,850 posts)
14. And?

The tea bags' whole schtick is that they hate paying taxes. IRS would be asleep at the wheel if they didn't keep an eye on them.

Them and a few million other citizens paying for your pot 'n' Cheetos. DUmmies don't hate paying taxes because, by and large, they don't pay any.

JaneyVee (3,700 posts)

19. Ugh? This is great. Why not target people whose main goal is to beat the tax system?

egduj (69 posts)

20. Government agencies are under no obligation to treat everyone fairly.

One DUmmy gets it:

Star Member Skip Intro (17,966 posts)
23. If this was bush we'd be up in arms. It's wrong, no matter who does it.

Using the IRS to intimidate political speech?

What the hell?

If it is as appears, it shouldn't be acceptable to anyone, under any circumstance.

I wonder how the DUmbasses would like ICE investigating them for advocating amnesty for illegal aliens. You never know when they might be hiding one out in their homes.

Or how abut the DEA looking into those who simply protest drug laws?

****ing little Brownshirts.


      
   

[98ZJUSMC]

Unless this is yet another example of umpteen dimensional chess that's to complex for me to grasp

Uhhh,...yeah.

Boy, you (D)Ullards sure do love you some tyranny.

[Carl]

Why leftism always results in tyranny.

[txradioguy]

Star Member tularetom (17,345 posts)
4. Why shouldn't the IRS investigate a group that constantly whines about the injustice of taxation?

So you'd have no problem with the IRS targeting the SPLC...or MoveOn.org...or DU?

[jukin]

If the DUchebags lived in Germany or the USSR they would all be on first name basis with their local Gestapo or NVDK officer.

I like the reversal of the oldie but a goodie, "Scratch a fascist, find a progressive."

[Skul]

In a related thread...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022832601

Sun May 12, 2013, 09:14 AM
Hugabear (9,821 posts)
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Tea party types SHOULD be having their tax returns scrutinized
If you have a group of people whose mantra is that they don't like paying taxes, and many of them advocate not paying taxes at all, then the IRS absolutely should be paying closer attention to them. After all, by not paying the taxes that they owe, these teabagging extremists are costing us millions - if not billions - of tax revenue.

Response to Hugabear (Original post)
Sun May 12, 2013, 09:33 AM
Star Member Nye Bevan (10,667 posts)
4. How about groups that advocate the legalization of recreational drugs?
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Is it OK for their members to draw extra scrutiny from the police?

No,no,no!! That just won't do. Nope.

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Sun May 12, 2013, 01:08 PM
Yo_Mama (3,522 posts)
11. This was not auditing, but an attempt to block some organizations from gaining 501(c) status
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Apparently some Jewish groups were harassed also.

No, it is never appropriate for your government to treat citizens or groups of citizens differently under the law because it either likes or does not like their beliefs.

Period. NO! The society this would create would be awful - and sooner or later, the focus would become groups you probably do support. 

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Nye Bevan (10,667 posts)
4. How about groups that advocate the legalization of recreational drugs?
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Is it OK for their members to draw extra scrutiny from the police?

I asked the same thing here.

I wonder if it lurks?

[Skul]

I asked the same thing here.

I wonder if it lurks?

Who would do such a thing? 

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Meanwhile...

...profiling Arabs with pressure cookers is BAAAAD!

jakeXT (2,917 posts)

FBI surrounds house of Saudi student following sightings of him with pressure cooker pot, only to fi
 
FBI surrounds house of Saudi student following sightings of him with pressure cooker pot, only to find he was cooking rice

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022833007

[Airwolf]

If the DUchebags lived in Germany or the USSR they would all be on first name basis with their local Gestapo or NVDK officer.

I like the reversal of the oldie but a goodie, "Scratch a fascist, find a progressive."

More likely they would be dating their local head of the Gestapo or the NKVD

[delilahmused]

Star Member tularetom (17,345 posts)
4. Why shouldn't the IRS investigate a group that constantly whines about the injustice of taxation?

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There's nothing in the world "inappropriate" about checking the tax returns of people who publicly advocate tax evasion and open rebellion against the government. They do everything but boast about how they won't pay taxes so they're either liars or tax cheats.

The IRS would be doing less than what we pay them to do if they failed to investigate these groups. They have nothing to apologize for IMO.

Unless this is yet another example of umpteen dimensional chess that's to complex for me to grasp.

So it would've been okay for the IRS to do this to anti war groups during the Bush administration who objected to paying taxes to "fund an illegal" war? Hell, Republicans even let you visibly & publicly & loudly protest during their convention when Bush was running for a second term. You're side, on the other hand, put you guys in cages called "free speech zones". They may have agreed with you but you were such a ****ing emabarrassment they didn't want anyone to see you.

And the message is exactly the same type. You little bitches can't argue you were justified and groups on the right aren't because both boil down to objecting to things the government is doing in our name. The difference? We wouldn't like it if it was happening to your groups either. Doesn't matter what side of the aisle a person or group is on, government intimidation boils down to evil brown shirt tactics. Too bad you guys are so blinded by hate and partisanship to defend your fellow citizens for doing the same things you do, just with a different point of view. Objecting to taxes is NOT a good enough reason to allow the government to do this kind of thing.

Cindie

[I_B_Perky]

When you dummies start paying income taxes, especially on your welfare money, then you got a leg to stand on. Until then, STFU.

[Rebel]

They're telling you all you need to know about their ideology. In their warped minds, we're not citizens; we're subjects. We're not supposed to question government (well, until a Republican is in office) and should just accept whatever taxes and regulations they place upon us with no protestations. In other words, our sole existence is to provide for the government. Serfdom. What illustrative number am I up to now in showing why it's so easy to prop up a dictatorship among the left?

[Karin]

Exactly, Rebel.  This whole situation is really, really showing their true colors, isn't it? 

And they're so pathetically uninformed about it.  Plugabutt thinks it's individuals with certain beliefs being targeted for audit, which he cheers.  DUmmies, sit and ponder unintended consequences of that for a few minutes, if you can. 

[Gina]

Holy Moly, this thread should be stuck up thar! because it just shows how hypocrictial they are!

[Karin]

Response to dkf (Original post)
Sat May 11, 2013, 06:22 PM
 MjolnirTime (1,291 posts)
12. why spread this horseshit?

Because it's a factual current event, in the news?  You don't wish to be informed?  

Response to dkf (Original post)
Sat May 11, 2013, 10:05 PM
egduj (70 posts)
20. Government agencies are under no obligation to treat everyone fairly.

That one really floored me.  

Look who's back:

Response to dkf (Original post)
Mon May 13, 2013, 10:45 AM
 BanTheGOP (1,019 posts)
32. Frankly, ALL GOP organizations should be scrutinized, and rejected

Most conservative organizations advocate for policies that destroy the vast majority of people and the planet. It's a no-brainer.

They have lots of OP's on this (because of course, each one has to have their own special one); not a lot of replies, 1 or 0. 

[dutch508]

Liberal logic:

If a right-wing organization does it, arrest them all! Guilty guilty guilty!

If a left-wing organization does it, the RW-ers deserve it. They are evil and need to be destroyed!

The sooner the people in this country realize the leftist are trying to destroy us we can start fixing the problem.

[NHSparky]

So you'd have no problem with the IRS targeting the SPLC...or MoveOn.org...or DU?

Well, to be fair, DU has been "talked to" by the Secret Service.  Guess that's the kind of shit that happens when your posters threaten the life of the President.

Yeah, if this was 2005 and it was revealed that the Bush administration was using the IRS to target Code Pink, Huffpo, Center for American Progress, the ACLU, etc., then the DUmmies would (rightly) be screaming for someone's head.

Now?  Crickets.

[Tucker]

This is nothing new. BJ Billy Boy used this tactic with the help of reno. BTW, holder was number 1 under reno.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/12/what-about-clintons-irs/

P.S.: According to a Judicial Watch filing, the Clinton enemies audited included

Clinton paramours Gennifer Flowers and Liz Ward Gracen, sexual assault accusers Paula Jones and Juanita Broaddrick, and fired White House Travel Office Director Billy Dale.

as well as these organizations:

The National Rifle Association, The Heritage Foundation, The National Review, The American Spectator, Freedom Alliance, National Center for Public Policy Research, American Policy Center, American Cause, Citizens Against Government Waste, Citizens for Honest Government, Progress and Freedom Foundation, Concerned Women for America and the San Diego Chapter of Christian Coalition.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/12/what-about-clintons-irs/#ixzz2TDK0IO5I

[Dori]

Nixon learned this from LBJ. I wonder how far back it goes.





 

[J P Sousa]

You know Barry needs to have something for those EXTRA 16,500 new IRS agents to do.........other than finding out who doesn't want Obama care.   

[FlaGator]

Lurkers... the misconception you have is that Tea Party members don't pay their taxes when in fact they do pay, they just feel that they pay to much. The Tea Party doesn't boast about or encourage tax evasion. The Tea Party want to use the legal and legislative systems to lower the tax rates for everyone... including you libs.

If you have proof otherwise please sign up and post it. I would love to discuss it with you.

[DumbAss Tanker]

So far the Press is at least tolerating the "It was just one office in Cincinnati doing this" gambit, however I heard one of the IRS bureaucrats defending it (Possibly Lerner) and what she was actually saying as obliquely as possible was that this one office was where ALL such applications from across the entire country ended up before approval.  It wasn't just one 'Regional' office, it was the office that handled ALL of these applications from EVERYWHERE.

[Karin]

How egregious is it, that, having been sexually assaulted by BillyJeff, those women had to undergo audits and harrassment from the IRS?  It makes my skin crawl.  Who's waging the war on women? 

[Ptarmigan]

DU show their true colors.