http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022822564
Thu May 9, 2013, 07:57 PM
Star Member damnedifIknow (586 posts)
NRA-Gabrielle Giffords fight heats up
"There was a time when a failed gun bill might have quietly slipped off the stage. But the dynamics have shifted, since the NRA is no longer the only group in the gun debate with money, power and some signs of staying power.
On Wednesday morning, the NRA announced a $25,000 television week-long television ad buy to support Sen. Kelly Ayotte, a New Hampshire Republican who’s been under attack by gun control groups on the airwaves and in town halls for her vote on the Senate bill.
Just hours later, Giffords’ gun control group, Americans for Responsible Solutions, hit back – announcing it raised more than $11 million in its first four months of operation – a staggering figure even in the age of super PACs and big outside money groups."
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/gun-control-nra-gabrielle-giffords-91099.html?ml=po_r
This thread starts out with making it sound like Gabby is going to be some kind of savior for them. There's a fly in the ointment though ... TnDem is bringing up some truth and the DUmmies are NOT HAVING it.
It's a rather long thread so just a couple;
TnDem (484 posts)
1. I'm sure...
I can reasonably speculate that Republican NYC Mayor Bloomberg has donated or assisted with millions of that cash for Giffords and other similar causes.
The problem is that Republican Bloomberg is going to end up costing us seats in the US Senate, (like Arkansas Senator Mark Pryor), and other southern Democrats.
This will tilt the balance to the Republicans and yet folks on this forum keep on cheering gun control.
Drop it, DROP IT....It will finally and completely kill the Democratic party in all southern, rural and western states.
People just don't understand.
The DUmmies better pay attention.
Thinkingabout (1,671 posts)
5. We also see what happens when those who should not be having guns uses them incorrectly.
You may point to an election which happened before Sandy Hook for comfort, those may a thing of the past.
Uh huh.
TnDem (484 posts)
14. Recent elections
I can point to over a half dozen elections that happened right after high profile murders/school shootings, etc....Most were as high profile and as bad as Newtown...None of them resulted in any long term change...In fact, once the dust settles and the rural voters and Democrats get intrigued, the issue often turns against us...Case in point, "Shall Issue" CCW states now compared to 15 years ago, Sunsetted AWB from 1994 and numerous state house decisions all across the rural west/Midwest and south that go against frantic emotionalism over an issue that rural Democrats understand and urban Democrats cannot grasp.
The issue is pounded by the extremists in our party, and then when we lose seats and lose the south, they gasp and claim voter fraud, poor campaigning and other nonsensical issues..It is none of those...What it is, is simply Democrats that are disgusted by their shitty party choice of a non-matched candidate with their district.
Nancy Pelosi could not win in Grapevine Texas, Charlotte NC, Nashville TN or Birmingham AL....Why do you think that is?...Even most Democrats will either not vote for her or stay home...
Remember what Bill Clinton said in his book "My Life" which is an excellent book about the total Democratic disaster of the 1994 elections after the first, (and now gone and useless), assault weapons ban.
"Just before the House vote (on the crime bill), Speaker Tom Foley and majority leader Dick Gephardt had made a last-ditch appeal to me to remove the assault weapons ban from the bill. They argued that many Democrats who represented closely divided districts had already...defied the NRA once on the Brady bill vote. They said that if we made them walk the plank again on the assault weapons ban, the overall bill might not pass, and that if it did, many Democrats who voted for it would not survive the election in November. Jack Brooks, the House Judiciary Committee chairman from Texas, told me the same thing...Jack was convinced that if we didn't drop the ban, the NRA would beat a lot of Democrats by terrifying gun owners....Foley, Gephardt, and Brooks were right and I was wrong. The price...would be heavy casualties among its defenders." (Pages 611-612)
"On November 8, we got the living daylights beat out of us, losing eight Senate races and fifty-four House seats, the largest defeat for our party since 1946....The NRA had a great night. They beat both Speaker Tom Foley and Jack Brooks, two of the ablest members of Congress, who had warned me this would happen. Foley was the first Speaker to be defeated in more than a century. Jack Brooks had supported the NRA for years and had led the fight against the assault weapons ban in the House, but as chairman of the Judiciary Committee he had voted for the overall crime bill even after the ban was put into it. The NRA was an unforgiving master: one strike and you're out. The gun lobby claimed to have defeated nineteen of the twenty-four members on its hit list. They did at least that much damage...." (Pages 629-630)
And then this from Clinton from January of this year about guns and the south...He basically says as I say.....STFU about guns and move on to something important...Rome is burning while we diddle with something that will not be changed in ten generations in the US:
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/bill-clinton-to-democrats-dont-trivialize-gun-culture-86443.html
That's gotta sting ... and straight from Bubba's mouth no less.
Thinkingabout (1,671 posts)
21. Can you point to one mass murder event where 20 young children was killed in the US?
I would venture to say if a few of the no voters had an opportunity to vote again they would reconsider their vote. This is not an anti gun bill, no matter what the NRA tells you, this is not "they gonna take away your guns" which is nothing but a scare tactic to those paranoid enough to believe this. It took years before MADD got its footing, it might take years before Gabby Giffords group gets its footing. Those who vote against sensible controls to control weapons into the wrong hands, some of these candidates who does not listen to the 90% who wants these bills passed. It may well take out more than you think, we are a nation of citizens and should not be controlled by gun manufacturers. I don't scare with backing congressional members who do not listen to the 90%, and when we get those who are controlled by NRA out of office then we can get sensible bills passed.
Just keep believing that. PLEASE keep believing that. I want a red house and senate badly.
TnDem (484 posts)
31. Listen man
Rural Democratic voters are not "gun manufacturers" either..
The background check provision would have BENEFITTED gun manufacturers by making used guns as difficult to buy as a new gun from the manufacturer, yet the NRA opposed it vigorously....Why?
Because its members opposed it....NRA is made up of individuals that agree with its policies, many of which are southern Democrats like my local party chairman.
BTW, 90% of the people do NOT want the bill passed...Read the Politico article from yesterday where Gallup polled about important issues and guns were right at the bottom of the importance level.
I am just damn sick and tired of losing more and more seats in the rural areas because urban Democrats wish to push their urban laws into rural areas and we end up losing more and more..
It sucks and now I know why..
Star Member Robb (38,218 posts)
11. Transparent. And weak.
No thanks.
TnDem (484 posts)
17. Weak? Will you apologize to me publicly?
Will you apologize to me publicly when we lose fifteen plus house seats in 2014 because the incessant pounding of this polarizing issue that even half of our OWN party cannot agree with and be motivated to vote for?
If the exit polls in 2014 during the midterms show this as a major issue in rural areas, I'll expect a public forum apology.
On and on it goes. Great thread to row over and read. TnDem is owning them but most of them don't know it. They're too stupid.
KC
