Ph.DDs, others discusses Christian jihad

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

I think the OP has already been brought over but I'm intrigued by the sub-threads:

The Straight Story (41,031 posts)

On Boston suspects: Maher To Defender Of Islam: Equating Christianity And Islam "Liberal Bullshit"

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alphafemale (13,141 posts)
1. As a faith...? It does need to grow the **** up.

But Christians burned Joan of Arc alive...at that age. ,(of the religion)

They got better...well mostly better.

BainsBane (8,044 posts)
117. Christians killed 200,000 people in Iraq

on your tax dollars. Our society has got a huge advantage in the body count. Why people refuse to examine that shows just how blinded by propaganda they are.

alphafemale (13,141 posts)
118. No. That was not a faith based action.

Try again

BainsBane (8,044 posts)
121. so that makes it okay?

WTF difference does it make? Are those people any less dead? The faith was democracy and American superiority. But they died for a good cause, so it's not like those 200,000 Iraqis are nearly as important as the Americans who died in Boston. Of course an additional 5600 Americans died in Iraq too, but it was for democracy and American superiority, so that's okay.

Religion provides an ideology of justification. That's all it is, just like democracy provided the neocons with theirs. What is appalling is people here lack the ability to interrogate the propaganda they've been spoon fed to justify the biggest war machine in human history.

Dorian Gray (7,470 posts)
139. Who here is justifying the Iraq war or saying

any lives lost anywhere are less worthy?

Questioning whether our war on Iraq was waged to defend or represent Christianity is NOT advocating the loss of life in Iraq for any purposes.

BainsBane (8,044 posts)
140. to identify Islam as a source of violence

without examining our own culture's role in violence is absurd. The point about American lives being worth more is implied in pointing to Islam a source of unacceptable violence yet paying no attention to the mass violence that our military inflicts around the world.

It is factually false on every level that Islam has prompted more loss of life than other religions or ideologies.

Name one nation with a prominent Islamic culture that doesn't also have an Islamic terrorism issue.

Blue_In_AK (37,423 posts)
153. George Bush did use the "Crusade" word to describe the mission. n/t

AgingAmerican (1,084 posts)
2. Christianity calls for the extermination of humanity

They call it "Armageddon". That's the big difference to me.

cali (79,388 posts)
6. that is not a central tenet of Christianity

sorry, but if you think that you need to educate yourself. Why, in defending one religion, some people find it necessary to denigrate another, is an interesting thing.

AgingAmerican (1,084 posts)
7. Educate myself?

I had this shit drilled into me for 9 years in an evangelical christian school.

MsPithy (542 posts)
63. You are 100% correct.

It is true that the apocalypse and the rapture were not central to christianity in the past, but they are now. The Left Behind books have sold 63 million copies.

azurnoir (25,957 posts)
40. wow the Resurrection isn't a central tennet of Christianity?

because that is also central to Armageddon, in fact the two go hand in hand, but if you say so

cali (79,388 posts)
55. nope. not as practiced by many branches of Christianity.

It's central to fundamentalists certainly, but not to Catholics, Methodists, Presbyterians and others. It's been de-emphasized for quite some time.

It's absurd to think that every branch of Islam emphasizes the same things and it's equally absurd to believe that every branch of Christianity emphasizes the same parts of the bible.

This is really basic stuff.

azurnoir (25,957 posts)
57. I'm not a Christian but at least you admit it is central to some brands of Christianity

of Christianity and I am glad you admit that every branch of any given religion is the same, a point that did not seem present in your initial comment

cali (79,388 posts)
94. how azurnoiresque. Admit? No, I'm not "admitting" to anything.

I'm trying to put out accurate info

my graduate studies were in millenarianism- which nowadays scholars consider to encompass all end time beliefs, not merely part of Christian eschatology.

One of the seminal works on traditional millenarianism is Norman Cohn's book In Pursuit of the Millennium. It is fascinating and not a hard read for those with little background in the subject. He focuses on the hotbed of of millenarianism in the middle ages, but he updated recent editions before his recent death.


http://www.amazon.com/Pursuit-Millennium-Revolutionary-Millenarians-Anarchists/dp/0195004566

The branches of Christianity today that focus on Revelation and Armageddon grew out of the millenarian movements of the middle ages and the revival of that belief system that took place- largely in the U.S. in the 19th century.

Wikipedia has a fairly decent article about the book of Revelation. And the entry on Armageddon isn't bad either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armageddon

randome (11,787 posts)
38. But Christians do not, as a whole, go out to purposely murder others.

rogus (4 posts)
61. just like

..the guy who murdered abortion doctor Tiller in Kansas. He certainly thought he was a christian.

randome (11,787 posts)
93. Christians definitely have their nutcases.

Do Muslims have more? Not that it's a contest but it seems that way from a strictly numeric standpoint.

When Pat Robertson declares we deserve death for our beliefs, is that fundamentally different from a Muslim cleric MANDATING death for women or gays who don't toe the line?

Blue_In_AK (37,423 posts)
155. I believe it's Christians in Uganda who proposed

the "kill the gays" law that Rachel was reporting on a couple of years ago.

hrmjustin (7,623 posts)
49. Where does Jesus say anything about Extermination?

Pelican (17 posts)
165. Hmm..

An entire thread dedicated to "Don't blame Islam for jihad...BLAME CHRISTIANITY FOR JIHAD!"


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022729245

[Karin]

AgingAmerican (1,084 posts)
2. Christianity calls for the extermination of humanity

They call it "Armageddon".

The choice of words was arresting.  "Calls for."  I demand you end the world right this minute, God!!!

BainsBane (8,044 posts)
121. so that makes it okay?

WTF difference does it make? Are those people any less dead? The faith was democracy and American superiority.

Hey fatass, you just got done saying Christians killed 200,000 people in Iraq.  Then you go on to use a word like "absurd."  Are you sneering at democracy as a "faith" amongst your fellow travelers?   

[USA4ME]

The PhDD primitive is a real nutjob.  First she says that Christians killed 200,000 in Iraq, but when called out as being false instead of admitting her error she starts sidestepping and starts asking if that makes it OK.  You can't have a reasoned conversation with someone who won't even defend their own words.

Also didn't realize just how much of a "blame America first" kook she was.  Not surprising to find that attitude on the island, but that viewpoint was so Bush era.  Has no one told the fat ugly slob that Dear Leader is now in office?

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[Big Dog]

PhDD got her doctorate in Biting the Hand that Feeds Her.

Her dissertation was titled, America: "Horrible", "Terrible", or just "No Good"?

[BEG]

Boy BB has really let her nut fall far from the tree since  her temper tantrum here.

[txradioguy]

PhDD got her doctorate in Biting the Hand that Feeds Her.

Her dissertation was titled, America: "Horrible", "Terrible", or just "No Good"?

It's a common doctoral thesis at UT Austin.  I'd be surprised if she didn't get points counted off on her final grade for plagiarism.

[txradioguy]

Boy BB has really let her nut fall far from the tree since  her temper tantrum here.

Even at teh DUmp she can't bring herself to provide a link for her BS claims.

[FlaGator]

There is so much misinformation in that thread that I wouldn't know where to begin to debunk it all. Let's just say this and it should cover most of it; the teachings of Jesus call for Christians to be nonviolent, the teachings of Mohammad stress violence as a valid means of conversion and that murder is acceptable if someone chooses to leave the 'religion of peace'.

[wasp69]

cali (79,388 posts)
6.

Why, in defending one religion, some people find it necessary to denigrate another, is an interesting thing.

Because it fits the zero sum, moral equivalent template you retarded apes love so much.

[Ptarmigan]

If this was the end of the year, I would nominate BainsBane as DUmmy Of The Year.

[Dori]

If this was the end of the year, I would nominate BainsBane as DUmmy Of The Year.

I would too.

Why can't we have a running DOTY that we can change as the year goes on?

[Ptarmigan]

I would too.

Why can't we have a running DOTY that we can change as the year goes on?

Bainsbane is not even trying hard to be DOTY and she is already challenging Nadine.

[dixierose]

I would too.

Why can't we have a running DOTY that we can change as the year goes on?

Maybe a DOTM (DUmmie of the Month) with the 12 winners competing for DOTY....

[Ptarmigan]

Maybe a DOTM (DUmmie of the Month) with the 12 winners competing for DOTY....

I like that idea.

[delilahmused]

Of course there's that whole thing about radical Muslims trying to FORCE end times for everyone who ISN'T Muslim (that includes you DUmmies as well)...they don't like Atheists anymore than they like Jews & Christians...they aren't going to kill one group first. They're deliberately trying to bring about this destruction so the 12 Imam will return.

Christians don't deliberately try to bring about end times, they just believe it will happen. There is nothing Christians can do to make Armageddon happen faster. We don't even know when it will happen. There are signs, of course, but throughout history events have happened that made those generations think they were in end times, too. That's kind of the whole point for Christians. We don't know when it will happen so we need to always be right with God.

If you read the Left Behind books (a work of FICTION) you'd also realize hope is not lost for the people still here. Some will be Christian, by the way. My mother wasn't particularly religious and she loved the Left Behind books. It's an interesting series, just like Harry Potter, the Twilight books and Anne Rice's vampire sagas. You don't have to be Christian to read it, anymore than any of the science fiction or fantasy books that also witness and/or try to stop the end of the world.

The first thing that came to my mind as I read through this thread was "Master Blaster runs Bartertown!" which has absolutely nothing to do with any religion but is certainly a fatalistic vision of life after armageddon.

Cindie

[Dori]

I like that idea.

Then we could print up a calendar and sell it on Amazon with all their wit and charm displayed 

[Happy Fun Ball]

Then we could print up a calendar and sell it on Amazon with all their wit and charm displayed 

I'm assuming the swimsuit edition is out of the question...

[Ptarmigan]

I'm assuming the swimsuit edition is out of the question...

Of course. Why would anyone even suggest that?????????????

[JohnnyReb]

I'm assuming the swimsuit edition is out of the question...

The gay boys in thong bikinis will be greatly irritated.

[delilahmused]

The gay boys in thong bikinis will be greatly irritated.

Oh sure! Exclude them! There are 12 months, you couldn't give them ONE? 

Cindie

[Ptarmigan]

The gay boys in thong bikinis will be greatly irritated.

[GOBUCKS]

Bainsbane is not even trying hard to be DOTY and she is already challenging Nadine.

Oh, puh-leeeze!

No one has challenged nadin since TiT was banned.

[Ptarmigan]

Oh, puh-leeeze!

No one has challenged nadin since TiT was banned.

She is trying. As for TiT, he has a different class altogether. I wonder if Nadine has a Ph.D?

[98ZJUSMC]

There is so much misinformation in that thread that I wouldn't know where to begin to debunk it all.

Beyond belief.  They run through the potato bar at Wendy's and deem themselves connoisseur critics of five star restaurants, worldwide.

God forgive me, I loathe and despises these cretins.

She is trying. As for TiT, he has a different class altogether. I wonder if Nadine has a Ph.D?

30 or 40, at least.

[98ZJUSMC]

I'm assuming the swimsuit edition is out of the question...

 

Please God, no.