InDumpth analysis has started (gNads goodness, too)

[Skul]

The smahtist peoples on the innerwebtubes have found the answer.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022722543

Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:20 PM
Star Member Barack_America (24,423 posts)

I think what motivated Tamerlan could be relatively simple...
I think he had pretty big aspirations for himself; eldest child, athletically gifted, possibly headed for the Olympic games as a boxer. Perhaps he was never a nice man or a good man, but he appeared headed for success and was a source of pride for his parents. Then he decides to beat his girlfriend, gets arrested and his trajectory changes forever. Gone is his ability to become a US citizen and box for the US in the Olympics. Now he can only compete for Russia, and he reportedly had no interest in representing that country (understandably so, for that matter). Perhaps his resentment that he cannot box for Chechnya grows. Perhaps his ability to succeed in something other than boxing fails. His anger about Chechnya grows, and he's surrounded by Americans who have all but forgotten about the conflict, if they had ever cared at all. Perhaps he starts to think about making people care. He starts to read things on the internet, and perhaps he starts to talk about those ideas to his family. He plans a trip to Russia, possibly thinking of contacting some of these individuals. Alarmed, his family contacts Russian officials, but they have no real proof. The FBI finds nothing significant either. The concerns are dismissed. Tamerlan travels to Russia and finally makes contact with a group who stokes his ego about how important to the Chechen cause he could be. He comes back to the US with a plan and who else exists in his life to help him carry it out other than Dzhokhar. That's my theory anyway, thanks for reading it.15

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Response to Barack_America (Reply #8)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:48 PM
Star Member leveymg (25,940 posts)
16. There's more - The mother claims Tamarlan was a US asset. Dzhokhar was outraged about Syria.
The evidence is beginning to look more and more like this was politically motivated with an international element to it. Perhaps, anger and frustration at the United States for not doing more to help the Jihadis trying to overthrow the Russian supported Syrian regime.

Response to librechik (Reply #29)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:50 PM
Star Member leveymg (25,940 posts)
32. If this is, indeed, Syria Regime Change Blowback, I would not be the least bit surprised.
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I've been saying for almost two years that it was just a matter of time before the decision to aid the Saudi-backed Sunni opposition blew back into our faces in some terrible way.

Response to leveymg (Reply #16)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 03:01 PM
John2 (1,486 posts)
35. It is a very logical theory as opposed

he was sent here to cause Jihad. Younger kid brothers sometimes look up to older siblings and form close relations with them. People should not count that out.

The older brother could have just become more concerned about World events and decided to act upon his own concerns. There are people in this country that are aggressively trying to influence U.S. Policy, because the U.S. is a super power with a lot of influences, domestically and foreign, this includes militarily. This is a leap, but there are groups in this country and in Syria upset we have not openly entered the War there on a certain side, because they see it as fighting oppression and for Democracy. The majority of those groups are Sunni. Right now, Public opinion in the U.S. is tired of Foreign Wars but another 9\11 could get them on a knee jerk reaction again. That could also be a motive if individuals are really concerned about their causes and disappointed with the U.S.

Obvious shit for brains.
There's more.

Response to Barack_America (Original post)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:35 PM
Star Member DirkGently (6,532 posts)
6. People seldom commit violence for purely ideological reasons. You, are an idiot.
>snippage<

Enough of the blame America posts.
Now for the fun.
This one started it.

Response to Barack_America (Reply #15)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:52 PM
nadinbrzezinski (118,971 posts)   gNads to the rescue!
18. From the death photo

Way too much facial damage...leading to way too much recent brain damage.
So don't expect the autopsy to be good for that  

A couple of normal comments, then this comes up.
Dragging the entire exchange over because it's so dang good.

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #18)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 04:15 PM
Star Member Heddi (15,671 posts)
46. they will be able to tell if he had chronic head injury

it's called 'acute on chronic' head bleed. This is common knowledge for anyone who works in emergency medicine. it's one of the ways long standing child abuse can be diagnosed. Acute on chronic subdural hematomas.

Surely you'd know this, having worked so long in emergency medicine yourself, right???  Riiiiight.

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Response to Heddi (Reply #46)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 04:17 PM
nadinbrzezinski (118,971 posts)
48. Yeah, take a good look at the photo

A good forensics officer might be able to tell, but serious, take a good look.

The hematoma is ...quite frankly, epic  So is your stupidity, gNads.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #48)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 04:19 PM
Star Member Barack_America (24,423 posts)  
49. Actually, molecular diagnostics could probably still make a diagnosis. <--- read it somewhere.

Old trauma looks different. But I still doubt the investigation will go down that road.

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Response to Barack_America (Reply #49)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 04:28 PM
nadinbrzezinski (118,971 posts)
52. True, but most coroner offices are not that fancy

Though quantico probably has them. I wish (I agree with you, they won't go there) they did though. Show em yout stuff, gNads.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #52)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 04:32 PM
Star Member Heddi (15,671 posts)
56. no, most coroner/medical examiners

are that 'fancy'. it's basic autopsying. Or do you have years experience in post-mortem forensics, too? Now you've done it. You crossed the rubicon.

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Response to Heddi (Reply #56)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 04:33 PM
nadinbrzezinski (118,971 posts)
58. Good bye, keep at it

Never claimed that, you did. Sure did.    

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #58)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 04:35 PM
Star Member Heddi (15,671 posts)
59. you sure do reply a lot

to people you supposedly have on ignore (for the record you told me a year ago you put me on ignore)

the function only works if you actually USE it Selective ignation

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #48)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 04:25 PM
Star Member Heddi (15,671 posts)
51. I did see the pictures

and I've seen real life (and real dead) people who have had much worse and much more devastating injuries and as long as gray matter is in place, you can tell chronic and acute head bleeds. Drs do it all the time. You're not one of them gNads.

Again, I'm amazed you're arguing this given your extensive history as an emergency medical practitioner. This is first-day orientation stuff  

I mean, you *do* have experience working in emergency medicine, right? Because someone who does would know this stuff like old hat....

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Response to Heddi (Reply #51)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 04:29 PM
nadinbrzezinski (118,971 posts)
53. I do have experience, ten years of it   You lie.

Have a good long fracking day.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #53)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 04:31 PM
Star Member Heddi (15,671 posts)
55. the you should be well versed

in the concept of acute-on-chronic head bleeds and their ability, even post mortem, to diagnose frequent falls/strokes in the elderly, long standing abuse, etc

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Response to Heddi (Reply #55)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 04:32 PM
nadinbrzezinski (118,971 posts)
57. Bye, bye

Welcome to the ignore list, teach. Again???

Good bye, have fun with the bullies and gun nuts.

 
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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #57)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 04:36 PM
Star Member Heddi (15,671 posts)
60. bye!

I didn't know that correcting bad information is 'bullying' but I guess it is to you. Have fun in the DU you've created where the only posts you see are your own

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Response to Heddi (Reply #60)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 04:57 PM
Star Member Kali (33,074 posts)
62. hell, just asking a question is bullying to that one

much less having the audacity to correct one of her pronouncements.

[formerlurker]

Awesome thread - H5 for bringing it over!

[vesta111]

Awesome thread - H5 for bringing it over!

In school I attended just one autopsy, Horror a drowning victim in the river for a week.  I could not get the smell out of my hair for a week. I managed to not faint or get sick but I never want to see, I do not want to  smell or hear  anything like that again.

This man had damage from both his death and the Doctors that tried to save him.   He was a fresh cadaver, Ask any Funeral Director, they see it all. I did not see any Y on the body so no autopsy had been held yet.   

I do wonder about the internal organ that burst through the skin, was this from a sudden blow to the area ?  I have never seen anything like that.

So sad, a good looking man with a wife and child, what on earth caused him to end up this way ???

[JohnnyReb]

What would I do with out Nadin......................better.

[Firekrakka]

I think what motivated Tamerlan could be relatively simple...

Yes, Islamic Sharia law. He's a sub human terrorist muzzie. Doesn't get more simple than that. No book needed.

[Ballygrl]

I think what motivated Tamerlan could be relatively simple...
I think he had pretty big aspirations for himself; eldest child, athletically gifted, possibly headed for the Olympic games as a boxer. Perhaps he was never a nice man or a good man, but he appeared headed for success and was a source of pride for his parents. Then he decides to beat his girlfriend, gets arrested and his trajectory changes forever.

You know what I think motivated Tamerlan? an entitlement mentality, the family came to this Country as refugees, they were given free housing and welfare, they were given scholarships to good schools, they never had to work for anything, it was just handed to them, they felt entitled, and when their lives were going nowhere they needed to boost their confidence so they turned to jihad.

It's that freaking simple!

[Mr Mannn]

So sad, a good looking man with a wife and child, what on earth caused him to end up this way ???

islam! It makes people do stupid evil things! That is what caused him to go bad.
Not all muslim scum are terrorists. but 99% of terrorists are muslim. are you seeing the pattern here?

islam ruins lives, Vesta. It destroys everything it touches.

[Airwolf]

Jabba the Hutt can't take it when someone smarter then her( Most of the Universe) points out her stupidity on DU.

[Carl]

What motivated him was a satanic "blessed" book that commands all believers to kill infidels.

It really is as simple as that.

[Undies]

What motivated him was a satanic "blessed" book that commands all believers to kill infidels.

It really is as simple as that.

DUmmie goons and their ilk are always looking in the light to find the reason for the dark.

[98ZJUSMC]

Commander McBlob does not disappoint.

[98ZJUSMC]

Jabba the Hutt can't take it when someone smarter then her( Most of the Universe) points out her stupidity on DU.

It really isn't stupidity as much as it is mental illness and serious personality disorders.  She has serious issues.  The Vlada Mitty nick is dead on.

But, there is a lot of stupid, too!   

[AprilRazz]

I do wonder about the internal organ that burst through the skin, was this from a sudden blow to the area ?  I have never seen anything like that.

Thoracotomy, done quite often in trauma cases.