Bains Bitch blames the NRA for not being able to track down terrorists.

[Freeper]

BainsBane (7,733 posts)

Explosives in Boston could have been traced if not for the NRA?


 
This came across my Facebook via a group called Occupy the NRA. If true, that means the NRA is not just an impediment to public safety but national security as well.

"This type of technology, which has been around over 30 years, would help us solve cases like the Boston bombing.

But because the NRA says no, and continues to hold Americans hostage to the gun industry, we do not have this capability."




They cite these articles that followed the Oklahoma City bombing. Be sure to read below for additional information on the NRA's position and the type of explosives that would have been covered. If you believe this is a problem, remember that our representatives are complicit because they keep rolling over for the gun lobby.

http://articles.latimes.com/1995-04-28/news/mn-59942_1_oklahoma-bombing
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19950502&slug=2118763

Cali_Democrat (14,326 posts)
1. The NRA is also behind the blocking of the ATF director

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/02/atf-gun-laws-nra

This along with their desire to flood American streets with firearms, these guys are more dangerous than Al-Qaeda.

BainsBane (7,733 posts)
4. absolutely

Far more lives are lost due to gun proliferation than Al Qaeda terror attacks.

Xithras (13,354 posts)
22. Untrue. I dislike the NRA, but that's misleading to the point of being a lie.

The NRA did block taggant proposals in the mid-90's, but they relented after the OKC bombing under one caveat. The government had to first allow a nonpartisan third party agency to research taggants to determine that they were safe, effective, and that they would actually help to solve crimes.

The National Academy of Sciences researched the issue and did a full study with full access to all law enforcement data. They found that taggable explosive materials were only found in a small portion of bombing events, that no taggant system existed that could be reliably used for explosive gunpowders, and that the system would be very expensive and incur a huge cost that would be passed to farmers and landscapers (and to consumers, via higher food prices).

Given the costs involved and the lack of major law enforcement benefit from the program, the NAS committee bluntly recommended that taggants not be mandated. They gave that recommendation to Congress, which then dropped the issue.

FWIW, I used to be a big supporter of taggants, and supported the proposals when they first came out. Once it became clear that it imposed a large cost with little benefit, I (like Congress and most people who had argued for it) gave up on the idea. The idea has been brought up again a few times since then, but the supporters always get pointed back to the National Academy of Sciences research, and the proposals don't go anywhere.

[formerlurker]

Xithras (13,354 posts)
22. Untrue. I dislike the NRA, but that's misleading to the point of being a lie.

The NRA did block taggant proposals in the mid-90's, but they relented after the OKC bombing under one caveat. The government had to first allow a nonpartisan third party agency to research taggants to determine that they were safe, effective, and that they would actually help to solve crimes.

The National Academy of Sciences researched the issue and did a full study with full access to all law enforcement data. They found that taggable explosive materials were only found in a small portion of bombing events, that no taggant system existed that could be reliably used for explosive gunpowders, and that the system would be very expensive and incur a huge cost that would be passed to farmers and landscapers (and to consumers, via higher food prices).

Given the costs involved and the lack of major law enforcement benefit from the program, the NAS committee bluntly recommended that taggants not be mandated. They gave that recommendation to Congress, which then dropped the issue.

FWIW, I used to be a big supporter of taggants, and supported the proposals when they first came out. Once it became clear that it imposed a large cost with little benefit, I (like Congress and most people who had argued for it) gave up on the idea. The idea has been brought up again a few times since then, but the supporters always get pointed back to the National Academy of Sciences research, and the proposals don't go anywhere.

I guess I am confused.  Since when did that matter to the left?

[USA4ME]

Good to know the 275 lbs primitive is part of the "Blame America First" trash.

Link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022687031

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[BadCat]

Good to know the 275 lbs primitive is part of the "Blame America First" trash.

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Sh/it must have gotten her/its "PhD" from a matchbook cover.

[Big Dog]

"Occupy the NRA?"

Sounds like a really, really stupid idea.

[Ballygrl]

All pressurized cookers should be tagged?

[diesel driver]

All pressurized cookers should be tagged?

I hope not.

I have 2 of them.   

[98ZJUSMC]

The National Academy of Sciences researched the issue and did a full study with full access to all law enforcement data. They found that taggable explosive materials were only found in a small portion of bombing events, that no taggant system existed that could be reliably used for explosive gunpowders, and that the system would be very expensive and incur a huge cost that would be passed to farmers and landscapers (and to consumers, via higher food prices).

Wait......uh, sCiEnCe!!

Oh.  Wrong outcome.

wInGnuTZ!!!!!!!111111

[Ballygrl]

I hope not.

I have 2 of them.   

Terrorist!

[98ZJUSMC]

"Occupy the NRA?"

Sounds like a really, really stupid idea.

Yeah, it does.  Until you stop to consider that the dinosaur media would go nuts over it.  The Marxist part of Congress would hail it as earth changing; while the milquetoast Republicans would essentially do nothing, with some agreeing with it.  I don't think they could get a very visible thing going, regardless.  If they did, it would inevitably turn violent and people would tune out as we observe the (D)Ump twist itself in knots to deny leftist violence.

[BattleHymn]

The birdbrain primitive is jockeying for a nomination for the DOTY runnings.  I wonder if she can maintain this level of stupidity into the fall?

[diesel driver]

The birdbrain primitive is jockeying for a nomination for the DOTY runnings.  I wonder if she can maintain this level of stupidity into the fall?

May prove to be difficult with no elections this fall.

[Carl]

Every day I engage these leftists idiots on Yahoo story comments and it is just staggering how little they know of anything in contrast to how much they spew.

[98ZJUSMC]

Every day I engage these leftists idiots on Yahoo story comments and it is just staggering how little they know of anything in contrast to how much they spew.

I know.  

Sh/it must have gotten her/its "PhD" from a matchbook cover.

The $5.00 bin at Wal-Mart.

[ChuckJ]

The NRA is blocking policy?

Last I heard the federal government is made up of the Executive branch, the Legislative branch, and the Judicial branch. Do we have an NRA branch now?

And for you lurking parasites from DU, I know the intention is to claim that the lobbying arm of the NRA is 'blocking' it, but I can't figure out how the evil right-wing NRA blocked anything during the couple of years that the dims had control of the majority of the government. Are you saying that the dims are so inept that even when they have control of the government that they can be blocked by a group that isn't even part of the government?

[Dori]

I know.  


The $5.00 bin at Wal-Mart.

I wonder how she earned that PhD.  It certainly wasn't by doing any research.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

I wonder how she earned that PhD.  It certainly wasn't by doing any research.

Ph.Double D-cups.

[Duke Nukum]

Where is this talking point coming from today?

I know this isn't just "knowledge" the Baine primitive is carrying around in her pointy little head.

I vaguely remember this now that it has come up but it certainly wasn't at the top of my brain, waiting to be used either pro or anti NRA.

[thundley4]

Isn't fertilizer, the main part of the OKC bomb tagged?

[FlaGator]

Isn't fertilizer, the main part of the OKC bomb tagged?

DU seems to be working under the assumption that the explosives weren't created out of common household products.

[Freeper]

DU seems to be working under the assumption that the explosives weren't created out of common household products.

That's crazy who could possibly make homemade explosives?
They had to have gone to Bombs R Us and bought them. 

[thundley4]

DU seems to be working under the assumption that the explosives weren't created out of common household products.

Illinois requires ID to purchase household drain cleaning products.

[Duke Nukum]

Baines is a typical fictional lemming with a Ph.D. She hasn't had an original thought since she was a tiny tot.

She's a follower. Someone put an idea in her head and she is running over the cliff with it.

That is simply what compassionate liberals do.

[Dori]

That is simply what compassionate liberals do.

If they were compassionate, they would look at the end result of the policies they support.

[Big Dog]

I wonder how she earned that PhD.  It certainly wasn't by doing any research.

All it takes is one well-time sexual harassment complaint.