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Chomsky on Liberal Disillusionment with Obama.
« on: April 10, 2013, 04:56:58 PM »
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/1017111225

Norm the Chom lays it out for DUmmies. Listen to Noman as you scroll through the thread.

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Chomsky on Liberal Disillusionment with Obama.

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=A6Jbnq5V_1s[/youtube]
 

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Chomsky's rhetorical question about what "hope & change" meant was the exact same question many of us who supported a different candidate were wondering. Hope for what and what change? It was all campaign rhetoric B.S.

What I saw in 2008 was a center-left candidate. I never understood why the Left ran to support him. Aside from the race factor, which made his candidacy historical, what was so different about him than any other centrist?

Yes, he didn't vote for the IWR, but he wasn't in the Senate at the time. I'm aware that he spoke against it, but then again, he told Tim Russert in 2004 that he didn't know how he would have voted if he had been in the Senate. Years alter, the excuse for that comment was that he was trying to be supportive of Kerry.

Chomsky is also right as to how Axelrod, Plouffe, et al. marketed Obama. His speeches were like cotton candy. They sounded good, but didn't mean much. Listen to one of his soaring speeches and then read the transcript. Many of his speeches were vague, no specifics, just feel good promises. 


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20. He's dead on...
 
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The Nazis sprung out of rural Germany. A bunch of chicken farmers pissed off over what they saw as rich Liberals (and Jews) in Berlin stabbing them in the back by surrendering during WWI.


Projection?

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"Obama won because he was not specific about what he stood for"

Uhm, so Chomsky thinks McCain should have won? Or Hillary?

Obama won because the voters didn't want McCain. Obama won because the voters didn't want Clinton.

In the Clinton campaign, she was not standing for anything any more than Obama was. If you went to her website, she didn't talk about policy there at all. Her campaign was based on "Another bigshot has endorsed Hillary, so get on the bandwagon, because Hillary is 44!"

Obama won the primary because a majority of Democratic Primary voters and caucus goers rejected Hillary - with a huge assist from the black community who came out strong, for some reason, to support the black candidate, and opposing Hillary's bigshot endorsements, Obama picked up Kennedy, and Oprah.

Probably a fair number of moderate conservatives got behind Obama because 1) he campaigned as a moderate uniter, 2) the media was generally behind him, 3) he spoke well, and 4) they wanted to be a part of history - the first black President.

Obama was specific about many things as well. He specifically promised to not raise taxes on people making less than $250,000 - a very Bush Sr. like promise. He specifically promised to eliminate the Bush tax cuts for higher incomes. He specifically proposed the making work pay tax credit. And so on. No voter should expect to micromanage a candidate, all you are gonna get are general principles.


Seems like someone is inadvertently blaming the blacks for Obie.  Darn Racists if you ask me. 
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24. Chomsky also gave us a warning of who will we allow to come to power. To me, he was saying
 
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that we were under the false movement platforms of previous presidents. To me that goes for candidates in the Primaries and all other offices too.

I hope the internet can help the middle class clarify exactly what platform and therefore representative that we want running for political office.

People certainly woke up to the Movement of Hitler. We need a Movement of Talk, to start out with.

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DUmmies in distress.   Not a lot of happy campers at this particular campfire.  It is worth a look.
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Re: Chomsky on Liberal Disillusionment with Obama.
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2013, 05:02:49 PM »
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30. Unfortunately, we sucker into the corporate candidates, our system is set up to do exactly that.

Which is why we need serious campaign finance reform. We all know this here.

Pray-tell,  who reneged on their words to stick with public financing in 2008?? 
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Re: Chomsky on Liberal Disillusionment with Obama.
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2013, 05:23:23 PM »
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Chomsky's rhetorical question about what "hope & change" meant was the exact same question many of us who supported a different candidate were wondering. Hope for what and what change? It was all campaign rhetoric B.S.

What I saw in 2008 was a center-left candidate. I never understood why the Left ran to support him. Aside from the race factor, which made his candidacy historical, what was so different about him than any other centrist?

The Kenyan was THE most liberal senator in Congress, you DUmbass. Go ahead and admit it, you want a straight-up, revolutionary Stalinist that'll eradicate all your political opponents. Don't worry, Obama is a Fabian Socialist. He'll get there eventually. He came here as a Che-loving Stalinist, he was told to dial it down and do it through small changes. AKA Fabian Socialism. I'm here to say it ain't ****ing happening, you Commie pinko fag (Hat tip to the late, great LC_EFA for that insult).
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Re: Chomsky on Liberal Disillusionment with Obama.
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2013, 09:01:46 PM »
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2. Chomsky

We need to start a citizen's funded cloning program.

Alan Grayson
Bernie Sanders
Elizabeth Warren
Noam Chomsky
Michael Moore
Naomi Kline
Naomi Wolf
Dennis Kucinich
Amy Goodman
Juan Gonzalez
Tom Hartmann
Tavis Smiley
Dr. Cornel West
Rachel Maddow
Cenk Uygur
Glen Greenwald
Greg Palast
Matt Tahibi
Robert Greenwald
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Bill Nye
John Pilger
Chris Hedges
Richard D. Wolff
Julian Assange
Bradley Manning
Daniel Ellsberg

Hey primitive, you left fellow comrades Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro, etc...

Could you imagine a country where the viewpoints of the idiots listed by the primitive is the dominant political philosophy? Hard to imagine a country more worthy of being shoved into the dust bin of history.

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Re: Chomsky on Liberal Disillusionment with Obama.
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2013, 09:09:40 PM »
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Hey primitive, you left fellow comrades Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro, etc...

Could you imagine a country where the viewpoints of the idiots listed by the primitive is the dominant political philosophy? Hard to imagine a country more worthy of being shoved into the dust bin of history.

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We can look at California and Illinois and see that country on a smaller scale.
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Re: Chomsky on Liberal Disillusionment with Obama.
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2013, 10:39:11 PM »
That's quite a long list of nuts, traitors, and queers.

Most of them would fit into all three of those categories.
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Re: Chomsky on Liberal Disillusionment with Obama.
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2013, 11:16:43 PM »
They're just now figuring out no one knew who he was (nor do they still...at least the low information voters...in other words, DUmmies). He's the Manchurian Svengali, pretending to be whatever people want to believe he is, while completely manipulating their tiny little brains. 0bama never has and never will care about them. All he has to do is campaign with pretty little words and he can party, gulf, take extremely expensive vacations on our dime. Suck bitches! Welcome to real life.

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Re: Chomsky on Liberal Disillusionment with Obama.
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2013, 11:25:04 PM »
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We need a Movement of Talk, to start out with.

There it is!  Inane Comment of the Year!!

Talk about what?  Why, everything, of course.

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They're just now figuring out no one knew who he was (nor do they still...at least the low information voters...in other words, DUmmies). He's the Manchurian Svengali(....)

Cindie


You just knew the bestest and brightestest sCiEnCe lovers would figure it out eventually.  To think, it only took them 6 years to figure out what we figured out in about 3 days of reading and research.

But that makes us racist.
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Liberal thinking is a two-legged stool and magical thinking is one of the legs, the other is a combination of self-loating and misanthropy.  To understand it, you would have to be able to sit on that stool while juggling two elephants, an anvil and a fragmentation grenade, sans pin.

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Re: Chomsky on Liberal Disillusionment with Obama.
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2013, 11:33:58 PM »
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2. Chomsky

We need to start a citizen's funded cloning program.

Alan Grayson
Bernie Sanders
Elizabeth Warren
Noam Chomsky
Michael Moore
Naomi Kline
Naomi Wolf
Dennis Kucinich
Amy Goodman
Juan Gonzalez
Tom Hartmann
Tavis Smiley
Dr. Cornel West
Rachel Maddow
Cenk Uygur
Glen Greenwald
Greg Palast
Matt Tahibi
Robert Greenwald
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Bill Nye
John Pilger
Chris Hedges
Richard D. Wolff
Julian Assange
Bradley Manning
Daniel Ellsberg


Oh, the population of Mos Eisley.  How cute.
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Liberal thinking is a two-legged stool and magical thinking is one of the legs, the other is a combination of self-loating and misanthropy.  To understand it, you would have to be able to sit on that stool while juggling two elephants, an anvil and a fragmentation grenade, sans pin.

"Accuse others of what you do." - Karl Marx

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Re: Chomsky on Liberal Disillusionment with Obama.
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2013, 05:30:57 PM »
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We need a Movement of Talk, to start out with.

There it is!  Inane Comment of the Year!!

Talk about what?  Why, everything, of course.



And we could call it Err AmeriKa , home of yammering, stammering excuses of Liberal Failures
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Re: Chomsky on Liberal Disillusionment with Obama.
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2013, 06:00:25 PM »
Never thought I would agree with Chomsky

Chomsky; "they want an uninformed electorate who will make irrational choices"


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Re: Chomsky on Liberal Disillusionment with Obama.
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2013, 02:42:47 AM »
Quote from: Dori on April 11, 2013, 06:00:25 PM
Never thought I would agree with Chomsky

Chomsky; "they want an uninformed electorate who will make irrational choices"

That was my thought too - I managed to regain my balance when he went back to his usual bonkers self and I could happily see him as a crazy old man again.
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