WTF is China doing during North Korea's blustering?

[GOP Congress]

I have a serious question that I don't see addressed ANYWHERE in the media.

Now, I'm sure the military intelligence is on top of this... well, not sure, but with my past involvement in military ops I'm sure it's going on.

My question: While NK Dictator Kim Jong Il is auditioning to be the lead protagonist in" Team America: World Police 2: Revenge of the Ugly Son," what is CHINA doing? Notice that since Jongy-boy has been beating off to the masses about annihilating the U.S. and South Korea, NOT A WORD has been directed toward the activities of the CHINESE military.

I mean, come on. Yes, the son is a megalomaniac, but hell, one division of the 82nd Airborne Division can wipe out his ground forces if he so much shoots a missile. OK, part of it is he knows Obama is his soulmate politically, that's a given.

But the REAL issue, I believe, is that the Chinese government has far more input into this situation than reported. Hell, since the western mainstream media is as truthful as Pravda was in its Soviet heyday, they are using the North Korean "crisis" as an EXCUSE NOT to cover China actions that lead toward repressing the Eastern Asian region even more.

I realize that Obama's presence is the trigger that allowed the Jong-ster to bloviate, but it is China who is manipulating everything. And I wouldn't be surprised if George Soros is behind any of this...

[DumbAss Tanker]

95% laughing.  5% wondering WTF to do if Tubby pushes this shit too far, and trying to figure out when and how to rein him in.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

95% laughing.  5% wondering WTF to do if Tubby pushes this shit too far, and trying to figure out when and how to rein him in.

Take him out and install a puppet?

[GOP Congress]

Take him out and install a puppet?

Classic. LOL

Again, we joke about this. I myself can't get that stupid movie out of my head when Jong does this shit. But this is something that normally runs its course in a week; it's been three weeks since he's ratcheted up the humor. While he may indeed be truly megalomaniac in his actions, I somehow doubt the Chinese would let him go on more than a couple of days without intervening, as they had in the past. The incident that comes to mind is firing a "test missile" over Japan a few years back. The point was when the Chinese intervened, it was AFTER a major Chinese military operation, such as moving divisions to threaten Taiwan, or to move troops into Tibet, or to ratchet up their own government control options. In short, Beijing controls the puppet strings, pardon the pun.

So my question is this: What the F*** are the Chinese REALLY up to now?

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

I wasn't really joking.

I can't help but think the ChiComs aren't prepared to call some general and tell him being the new president of NK is better than

A) dying in a pre-emptive air strike
B) dying in a retaliatory nuclear strike
C) dying when US/UN forces roll into Pyonyang
D) dying when Chinese commandos burst into the room to install a new puppet

China doesn't want a war to shit all over the Pacific economy they're rolling in and they definitely don't want NK to lose and end up with a peninsula unified under the governemnt that is friendly with the US as the refugees stream north.

I dare say their balls are as much on the hook as ours.

Meanwhile, Un has to come back with SOMETHING or else his ass is on the line. If he fails and the hardliners decide to off him he might as well go for broke...what's he got to lose?

Maybe we need to be the one's to prop-up Un by throwing him a bone.

[Dori]

I don't know what the Chicoms would gain by not reigning him in.  The last thing they want is for us to put more military assets into the Pacific.  They think it belongs to them.

[Eupher]

The Jongster (love that moniker, btw - it smokes of "hipster" and, well, the Jongster is one of those, too) is getting some backchannel vibes from the ChiComs.

He's basically telling them to relax, that he's got the situation under control ( ) and he's only rattling his saber because he wants more free shit.

So the ChiComs are sitting back, watching carefully, and monitoring troop movements.

And we ain't talkin' bowel movements.

Meanwhile, the Nork hardliners are feeding the Jongster his lines.

And the more reasonable of the Norks are watching the hardliners watch the Jongster.

That's my two zlotys. But WTF do I know? I move hot air around every bit as much as the Jongster does.     

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Beijing rejects North’s envoy request

Apr 04,2013
 BEIJING - Pyongyang has allegedly asked Beijing to send them an envoy in order to improve their soured relations, but Beijing turned it down, seen as a warning regarding the regime’s recent warmongering rhetoric.

Multiple sources in Beijing told the JoongAng Ilbo on Tuesday that “North Korea asked China to send a high-ranking envoy at the deputy-ministerial-level, but China rejected it.

“China said ‘if they want an envoy, North Korea should send their envoy [to China] first,’” the source said.

http://koreajoongangdaily.joinsmsn.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=2969614&cloc=joongangdaily|home|newslist1

China demanding humility?

Doesn't want its people in a potential war zone?

[Eupher]

Nah, they're just trying to slap Jongster upside the head to get the juvenile's attention.

It would appear they're running short on patience with the punk. The envoy from the Norks should be sent to China and then receive an ass-beating by proxy as a more definitive signal to the Jongster.

[Wineslob]

China doesn't want a war to shit all over the Pacific economy they're rolling in and they definitely don't want NK to lose and end up with a peninsula unified under the governemnt that is friendly with the US as the refugees stream north.

This. We are seeing the result of Hong Kong "converting" China, and the Chi-Coms like it. They'll rein in the Mental Midget.

[DumbAss Tanker]

China doesn't want a war to shit all over the Pacific economy they're rolling in and they definitely don't want NK to lose and end up with a peninsula unified under the government that is friendly with the US as the refugees stream north.

True, and that is the key point in all of this. 

Still, the fundamental problem remains that the North Korean frame of reference may not be the same as the one roughly shared by the US and China on actions, outcomes, and consequences.  There remains the distinct possibility that, like FDR's decision to embargo oil to Japan in order to force them to drop their war in China, the other side may be looking at and analyzing this from a perspective so alien to us that their next move could be totally unpredictable and seemingly-irrational from within our own accepted frame of reference.

[Rebel]

95% laughing.  5% wondering WTF to do if Tubby pushes this shit too far, and trying to figure out when and how to rein him in.

If the Chinese were smart, they'd help us in removing Un and reuniting the Korean peninsula with the South Korean president governing, we remove all troops from Korea and Japan, and they give up on all claims to Taiwan. I can't see a better way to stabilize the region. Without the Norks, we really don't have a need to be in the South or in Japan and when China did go to war with us in support of the Norks, they were primarily agrarian. These days, much of their economy is tied to ours. I don't see them ever getting back to purely Communist. There's too much money in the way its going now. If only we had a competent "President" and Sec'y of State that could negotiate such a deal. 

[Rebel]

China 'shifts position' on North Korea

There are clear signs that China is losing patience with North Korea, America's former top diplomat in Asia has said.

For several decades, China has been North Korea's closest ally, largest trade partner and primary source of aid.

However, Kurt Campbell, the former head of the State department in Asia, said there are signs that a relationship once described by Chairman Mao to be "as close as lips and teeth" is wearing thin.

"There is a subtle shift in Chinese foreign policy. Over the short to medium term, that has the potential to affect the calculus in north east Asia," Mr Campbell said at a forum at John Hopkins university.

"You have seen it at the United Nations (Security Council). We have seen it in our private discussions and you see it in statements in Beijing," he added.

 Mr Campbell, who left the State department in February to found his own consultancy firm, was one of the architects of the US diplomatic and military "pivot" towards Asia.

He added that North Korean officials have noticed the change of mood in Beijing.

"I do not think that subtle shift can be lost on Pyongyang," he said. "They need a close relationship with China for every conceivable reason. It's not in their strategic interest to alienate every country that surrounds them.

"The most important new ingredient has been a recognition in China that their previous approach to North Korea is not bearing fruit."

Earlier, Mr Campbell told the Wall Street Journal that China "cannot be happy" and that he expected a tougher line to emerge from Beijing.

Nevertheless, he acknowledged that Beijing has never been willing to debate North Korea's future with the United States and South Korea, both of whom it holds in some suspicion.

Currently, Beijing appears to prefer the devil it knows, in the shape of the unpredictable Kim family regime, to the uncertainties, and perhaps American influence, that a reunification on the Korean peninsula could bring.

However, Daniel Pinkston, a North Korea expert at the International Crisis Group, said Beijing was "fed up" at the distractions being created by Pyongyang while it tries to focus its energies on other problems. "They need to address issues in the South China Sea, they have a corruption campaign going on at home, North Korea is giving them a headache," said Mr Pinkston.

Certainly North Korea no longer merits much respect among ordinary Chinese, who have taken to insulting Kim Jong-un as "Fatty Kim" or "Fatty the Third", in reference to his father and grandfather, on the Chinese internet.

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I don't think they care too much for Junior. If I see any more crunchy noos, I'll post it. Yup, I dig these stories up from super secret places that only I and Nads know about. Places like Drudge.