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IdaBriggs (5,978 posts)

OMG - North Carolina GOP Doesn't Think Constitution Applies to THEM???

Last edited Wed Apr 3, 2013, 08:44 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

These people have officially lost their minds - the Civil War means that the Constitution applies to EVERYONE. Can these morons PLEASE be removed from office - forget by the voters! This is TREASON!!! [emphasis in OP -- Sgt SB]

ON EDIT: Do they also get to pick and choose whether or not there is an individual state policy on SLAVERY?

I am embarrassed for my country. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/03/north-carolina-religion-bill_n_3003401.html

North Carolina May Declare Official State Religion Under New Bill

Republican North Carolina state legislators have proposed allowing an official state religion in a measure that would declare the state exempt from the Constitution and court rulings.

The bill, filed Monday by two GOP lawmakers from Rowan County and backed by nine other Republicans, says each state "is sovereign" and courts cannot block a state "from making laws respecting an establishment of religion." The legislation was filed in response to a lawsuit to stop county commissioners in Rowan County from opening meetings with a Christian prayer, wral.com reported.

<snip>

The bill reads:

SECTION 1. The North Carolina General Assembly asserts that the Constitution of the United States of America does not prohibit states or their subsidiaries from making laws respecting an establishment of religion.

SECTION 2. The North Carolina General Assembly does not recognize federal court rulings which prohibit and otherwise regulate the State of North Carolina, its public schools, or any political subdivisions of the State from making laws respecting an establishment of religion.


<snip> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/03/north-carolina-religion-bill_n_3003401.html

IdaBriggs (5,978 posts)
2. Perhaps the Feds can go arrest them for treason?

What was the policy instituted after the Civil War was over when any dipshit tried this nonsense?

What next -- certain states can have their own slavery rules? Because the Constitution doesn't actually apply?

IdaBriggs (5,978 posts)
7. Pick and choose what portions of the Constitution, and women lose the right to vote/slavery is ok

and the country is no longer America.

JoePhilly (15,640 posts)
9. YUP, they are desperate to hold power ... and they would toss out the

entire constitution given the chance.

el_bryanto (3,433 posts)
6. Interesting - I don't know how far it will go

It's essentially nullification applied to a specific part of the law, and nullification has not proven to be a legal theory that actually works. I suspect this might be the same.

Rep. Warren did talk to the Salisbury Post, and noted he didn't think it would go anywhere.

But Warren admitted he didn’t expect the bill to go far.

“I didn’t expect it to go anywhere,” he said, noting that the bill was read into the floor Tuesday morning and referred to the committee for Rules, Calendar and Operations of the House. “Quite often bills go there and never come out.”

So I'm not holding my breath.

Bryant

IdaBriggs (5,978 posts)
8. I want it to go somewhere: JAIL. nt

el_bryanto (3,433 posts)
10. You want to put legislators in jail for proposing legislation?

Does that seem reasonable to you?

Bryant

IdaBriggs (5,978 posts)
16. "Does Not Recognize Federal Court Rulings" & Constitution Does Not Apply to NC --

HELL YES!

We had an entire WAR about this and I am not about to be okay with NINE NUMB-SKULLS thinking they can restart this.

Put these assholes in JAIL / remove them from office and STOP THIS CRAP before it starts getting discussed as "reasonable."

The fact they THINK it is reasonable tells me they are WORTHLESS PIECES OF SHIT.

"State" religion - do you think they want to stop there? "Women" and "minorities" voting? "Slavery" - what do you think the point of saying that the Constitution doesn't apply to them is all about?

Arrest the LYING CONTEMPTIBLE TREASONOUS WORMS.

This should not be a discussion.

PUT THEM IN JAIL.

el_bryanto (3,433 posts)
25. That's an extreme reaction

And since it relies somewhat on a slippery slope argument, it's pretty broad too.

I assume you would charge them under Treason Statuets? It's hard to think what other laws would apply.

Bryant

IdaBriggs (5,978 posts)
28. Gary Freeze (from the article you found): "the verge of being neo-secessionist."

Further,

http://www.salisburypost.com/article/20130403/SP01/130409910/1023/lawmakers-file-rowan-county-defense-of-religion-act

Catawba College politics Professor Michael Bitzer likened the resolution’s ideology to that of many Southern states following the U.S. Supreme Court’s Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, Kan., decision in 1954 that required nationwide public school integration.

“They basically want to ensure that a long line of U.S. Supreme Court rulings have no validity either here in Rowan County or here in the entire state,” Bitzer said. “They’re basing it on — to put it mildly — discredited legal theory that the states can deny the power of the federal government within their jurisdiction. We saw this in the aftermath of Brown v. Board of Education. The belief is that the states hold more power than the federal government. If the federal government does something, the states can simply ignore it.”

(snip)

In a statement released Tuesday, ACLU of North Carolina Legal Director Chris Brook took aim at the resolution.

“The bill sponsors fundamentally misunderstand constitutional law and the principles of the separation of powers that date back to the founding of this country,” Brook wrote.


I don't know what statutes to charge them under - I personally want them tarred, feathered, and run out of the country by an angry mob! - but I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE TO REVISIT THE END OF SLAVERY AND MY RIGHT AS A WOMAN TO VOTE, LET ALONE THAT I HAVE RELIGIOUS FREEDOM (among other benefits).

Anyone who tries to remove those things locally deserves Jail at the very least. I can pick up some roofing tar, and feathers are cheap.

el_bryanto (3,433 posts)
29. Do you think the members of any county commission who begins their meeting with prayer

deserves tar and feathering as well, as well as jail?

It's a moot point - once you say you don't care what statute to charge them under and advocate tarring and feathering, you place yourself in as lawless a position as they are. You just favor lawless tactics in support of maintaining a secular Government.

I support a Secular government as well, but I don't hold with jailing people who disagree with me on this point.

Bryant

You noticed that too, huh?

IdaBriggs (5,978 posts)
31. I think anyone who tries to say the CONSTITUTION DOESN'T APPLY deserves jail.

Yes, these idiots thought they were just playing a game, but WORDS HAVE CONSEQUENCES and since people have DIED to maintain this UNION OF STATES, I am taking it pretty damn seriously.

You think this is just a game? Women voting, no slavery, freedom of speech -- ??? You think DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION is a JOKE???

Good day, sir.

I said, GOOD DAY!!!

el_bryanto (3,433 posts)
32. I think i will defend the constitution and the rule of law against anybody

who challenges it. That includes people I agree with as well as people I disagree with.

They introduced a bill; that's what legislators do. That's not illegal nor should it be, even if it is a controversial and wrong headed bill. If it were seriously going anywhere I'd advocate taking action. It's not, so it ends up being merely curious.

You threat to tar and feather or imprison these guys is similarly specious, as you have not the means to accomplish your goals; so I guess I'm not really that worked up about your proposal either. You just happen to be someone I'm talking to, whereas I'm not talking to the legislators who proposed this.

Bryant

el_bryanto (3,433 posts)
14. I'm not disagreeing with you

I suppose I can also see why commissioners in Rowan North Carolina would be perturbed that people are telling them they can't start their meetings with prayer.

Bryant

IdaBriggs (5,978 posts)

22. Pray outside with the smokers. nt

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10022607245

Lemme know when you assholes want to start paying heed to Art 1, Sec 8., the 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 9th and 10th amendments too.

[Dori]

I tried to read the link to the article, (Huffpo) but I'm still confused what it's really all  about. 

 

[Wineslob]

How would the Little Tyrants feel about prayer rugs?

[Carl]

Tyranny will be installed within the first 2 minutes of the government they yearn for.

[thundley4]

IdaBriggs (5,978 posts)
31. I think anyone who tries to say the CONSTITUTION DOESN'T APPLY deserves jail.

Yes, these idiots thought they were just playing a game, but WORDS HAVE CONSEQUENCES and since people have DIED to maintain this UNION OF STATES, I am taking it pretty damn seriously.

You think this is just a game? Women voting, no slavery, freedom of speech -- ??? You think DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION is a JOKE???

Good day, sir.

I said, GOOD DAY!!!

We'll worry about the state violating the US Constitution after Obama is tried and found guilty of treason.  His actions fit the definition of treason, but proposing a state law doesn't.

[Splashdown]

We'll worry about the state violating the US Constitution after Obama is tried and found guilty of treason.  His actions fit the definition of treason, but proposing a state law doesn't.

I'd even take some sort attention given to Harry Reid flouting the constitutional budget requirements.

[Rebel]

It's only 11 legislators, DUmbasses and last I checked, I don't think the establishment clause applies to states. Just the Fed. IIRC, Maryland had a state religion for years (Catholicism) over 170 years ago and only changed it when they started getting outnumbered and realized that if they can have a state religion, once they're outnumbered, the Protestants can change it to Protestantism.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

It's only 11 legislators, DUmbasses and last I checked, I don't think the establishment clause applies to states. Just the Fed. IIRC, Maryland had a state religion for years (Catholicism) over 170 years ago and only changed it when they started getting outnumbered and realized that if they can have a state religion, once they're outnumbered, the Protestants can change it to Protestantism.

Massachusetts too.

[jukin]

Just want to make sure that according to the DUchebags the Constitution applies everywhere except for the First, Second, Fourth, Fifth, Ninth, and Tenth Amendments when a democrat is president?

They really have such small and petty minds.

[Karin]

I said GOOD DAY SIR!   

And "pray outside with the smokers."  How does that make any sense? 

[FlaGator]

Hmmm.... lets see,

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I didn't see any where in that statement that prevents the states from making a law that establishes a state sanctioned religion.

[thundley4]

Hmmm.... lets see,

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I didn't see any where in that statement that prevents the states from making a law that establishes a state sanctioned religion.

By that same token, is there  anything that prevents a state from restricting speech or the press?  OTOH,  the USSC has found that the 2nd amendment does apply to states, so it could be argued that the other 9 amendments would apply to the states also.

[Big Dog]

I said GOOD DAY SIR!   

And "pray outside with the smokers."  How does that make any sense? 

DUmmy is obviously talking about barbecue. "It is a burnt offering, a food offering, an aroma pleasing to the Lord."



See Leviticus 1:1-17.

[franksolich]

This is one of these issues and primitives that for some reason don't seem to go together, and so leave me wondering.

It's like when Ms. Ed, the unappellated eohippus, posts something about labor unions, or the pie-and-jam primitive, "grasswire," posts a critique of the news media.

It's kind of out of the area of the particular primitive's expertise and experience.

The IdiotBriggs primitive has never demonstrated any understanding of this particular issue, and so one quite reasonably assumes someone else asked her to post it.  She can't possibly understand the issue, and would be better off sticking with commenting on things which she knows something.

[wasp69]

IdaBriggs (5,978 posts)
31. I think anyone who tries to say the CONSTITUTION DOESN'T APPLY deserves jail.

25 July 2011

Earlier in the day, the president let his frustration over the stalled debt talks seep into an address on Latino issues, confessing that he’d like to “bypass Congress and change the laws on my own.”

He told the National Council of La Raza, “Believe me, the idea of doing things on my own is very tempting. I promise you.”

Don't worry, I won't hold my breath for some type of intellectual honesty to break through....

You think this is just a game? Women voting, no slavery, freedom of speech -- ??? You think DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION is a JOKE???

Like you do...  What a bunch of bullshit, a DUmmie that pretends to give a damn about Constitutional rights.  How quaint...  

Good day, sir.

I said, GOOD DAY!!!

Zip it, you hyperventilating ****.  You're not important enough to have an "iggy list" and none of us give a shit how offended you might be.

IdaBriggs (5,978 posts)

22. Pray outside with the smokers. nt

Beats being inside amongst the liberal filth...

[BattleHymn]

The primitives hate it when their religion (the all-powerful state) has competition.

[USA4ME]

What a loon.  Her kids don't stand a dogs chance.

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[lars1701c]

On a side note, why do they call any action(if right or wrong) by a republican treason? someone threatens the magic negro TREASON!!! Wants to cut welfare spending TREASON!!!!!! I really don't think they know the meaning of the word.

[diesel driver]

On a side note, why do they call any action(if right or wrong) by a republican treason? someone threatens the magic negro TREASON!!! Wants to cut welfare spending TREASON!!!!!! I really don't think they know the meaning of the word.

There are lots of words and phrases DUmmies don't know the meaning of.

Words like "work", "liberty", "freedom", "personal responsibility", "capitalism", "intelligence", "tolerance", just to name a few.

[Tucker]

IdaBriggs (5,978 posts)
31. I think anyone who tries to say the CONSTITUTION DOESN'T APPLY deserves jail.

Would that include obama?

I'm shocked that aregritsgroceries has remained silent.

[FlaGator]

By that same token, is there  anything that prevents a state from restricting speech or the press?  OTOH,  the USSC has found that the 2nd amendment does apply to states, so it could be argued that the other 9 amendments would apply to the states also.

In some cases, porn for example, the SCOTUS has deferred to the state the right to restrict what magazine, books and videos can be sold in certain areas. The community standards policy. Isn't this a from of state related limitation on free speech?