primitive's never worked a day in his life

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11147444

Oh my.

From the men's forum, so one gets an idea where the primitives are coming from.

unreadierLizard (275 posts)    Sun Mar 31, 2013, 09:27 PM

I have no job. I'm filing for disability.

I'm 21 years old and have never worked a day in my life.

My mental conditions are not taken seriously by anyone because I'm a male.

I'm laughed at for being "different"(in that I don't like sports or fishing or steroids or other "manly" things).
 
My family and I live on the edge of poverty, barely making ends meet.

...How am I "privileged"? This isn't "MRA nonsense", it's seriously mind boggling how I fit into this "male privilege" that exists. If I have some kind of magic cheat button that lets me win at life, I'd like to start using it now, please.
 
Sorry, it's just the 35589375837 threads on "straight white male privilege" irk me somewhat.

rrneck (13,226 posts)    Sun Mar 31, 2013, 09:30 PM

1. I've been taken advantage of

lied to, screwed over, insulted, and annoyed by waaaaay more men than women.

Hayabusa (1,380 posts)    Mon Apr 1, 2013, 12:56 AM

2. SWM Privilege

may exist to some degree, but for the most part I think that it's used as a weapon to dismiss the opinion of any man who disagrees with a certain brand of feminism. "You don't like our ideas and I don't have anything all that specific to refute your concerns? *checks profile and confirms poster is a male* Privileged!"

Warren DeMontague (44,652 posts)    Mon Apr 1, 2013, 04:18 AM

3. Here's the thing. You can't even comment, because if you do you're "whining", you're "mansplaining", etc.

It is an intellectually lazy way to try to shut people up, or down, particularly if they're disagreeing with some goofy brand of dogma.
 
It's one of many tactics, of course. A popular one right now is to conflate any disagreement with, say, radical feminists, into "attacks on Feminists" or even better, "Attacks on women". Then you have to go down the road of pointing out "you're not speaking for all Feminists, in fact 5 minutes ago you were bad-mouthing 3rd Wavers". It's like saying by criticizing Fred Phelps you are "Attacking Christians". Sort of technically true yet also a vast misrepresentation. Conflate, conflate, conflate. Criticize the way Adria Richards handled eavesdropping on some guy's dumb dongle joke, and all of a sudden you're Reddit MRA pubic enemy phallopressor numero uno, who is obviously "okay with death threats" and all manner of bargle yargle blargle flart.
 
It's silly, but it's a Gish Gallop tactic of throwing gibberish out so fast that it's nigh-impossible to deconstruct point by point. (Short answer? I haven't seen anyone say they thought the threats against Ms. Richards were appropriate. Because they weren't.)
 
As for "privileged", again; it's intellectual laziness, generally from people who are more used to dealing with imaginary constructs than actual human beings and the real world. Yes, I would posit that historically there have been many advantages -in many situations- to being male, in Western Society and the US in particular, although this is becoming less and less as we (hopefully) move towards a more egalitarian, merit-based society. I hope and I believe this to be the case. There have also been obvious advantages to being White, to being Protestant, to being Rich, as well as to being strappingly handsome and, ah, endowed in the shoe and glove department.
 
I'm batting 3 out of 5, there.

But the reality is, we're all individuals, and furthermore we are all individuals in a myriad of different situations in which a myriad of different variables come into play. Is it inconceivable that there may be situations you or I come across in our day to day in which being male may confer an advantage? Like having to pee in a forest? Certainly. But this knee-jerk meme of "check your privilege", particularly on the internet where, at the end of the day, we are ALL disembodied electronic voices that could be ANY gender or race... it's ****ing silly.
 
And, again, it's really about shutting people up, saying "you don't have a right to your opinion, because you're XXXXXX".

lumberjack_jeff (24,172 posts)    Mon Apr 1, 2013, 02:59 PM

4. I would have less problem with the concept of privilege if some attempt were made to quantify it

Men, as best I can tell, have privilege because
a) congresspeople, presidents and CEO's (like garbagemen, commercial fishermen and loggers) mostly have penises
b) because women tend to work fewer hours in more comfortable jobs (and thus get paid less)
c) because patriarchy. Patriarchy, that's why.
d) because blogs say that women should be afraid (specifically, of men), when in fact straight white women are the demographic least likely to be victims of violence.
 
But links, logic, and (goddess forbid) numbers are all simply tools in the phallopressive mansplaining arsenal.

Major Nikon (9,226 posts)    Mon Apr 1, 2013, 08:01 PM

9. I have seen some attempt to quantify it

Usually this takes the form of conflating "male privilege" with other privileges, or it involves the mindless reposting of the "Male privilege checklist" which manages to bounce around on feminist echo chambers with no rhetort as to how ridiculous it is.

opiate69 (6,955 posts)    Tue Apr 2, 2013, 03:51 PM

10. As usual; Warren, you`ve distilled it down to its essence perfectly.

lumberjack_jeff (24,172 posts)    Mon Apr 1, 2013, 03:01 PM

5. In an economy in which labor had any value...

... there would be few people disabled.

10% of the people employed in 1999 are unemployable today, simply because the jobs are not there.

unreadierLizard (275 posts)    Mon Apr 1, 2013, 04:38 PM

6. Except I'm not faking my disability.

Mine is based on mental illnesses that are chronic(7+ years) that, at it's worst, results in me being unable to leave the house for up to weeks at a time.

lumberjack_jeff (24,172 posts)    Mon Apr 1, 2013, 07:05 PM

8. I'm not saying, suggesting or inferring that you are faking it.

I direct a small nonprofit dedicated to the wellbeing of people with disabilities (especially developmental disabilities).
 
If the economy were better, many of my participants would be able to find work (even part time), because employers would need to make accommodations. What constitutes "disabled" is completely dependent on the economy.
 
There is a little practical difference (imho) between "unable to work" and "unable to work in this economy".

Purveyor (12,337 posts)   Mon Apr 1, 2013, 06:27 PM

7. Best to 'lawyer up' right off the bat before ever making your claim. They take around $3k but if you have a case and they take it, you will most likely get the help you need.

[Freeper]

unreadierLizard (275 posts)    Sun Mar 31, 2013, 09:27 PM

I have no job. I'm filing for disability.

I'm 21 years old and have never worked a day in my life.

My mental conditions are not taken seriously by anyone because I'm a male.

I'm laughed at for being "different"(in that I don't like sports or fishing or steroids or other "manly" things).
 
My family and I live on the edge of poverty, barely making ends meet.

...How am I "privileged"? This isn't "MRA nonsense", it's seriously mind boggling how I fit into this "male privilege" that exists. If I have some kind of magic cheat button that lets me win at life, I'd like to start using it now, please.
 
Sorry, it's just the 35589375837 threads on "straight white male privilege" irk me somewhat.

Let me clue you in DUmmy, being different will not get you a disability check.
I swear these people think that everything in life should just be handed to them.
So what if you don't like sports and "manly" things, get a freaking job like the rest of us.

[Carl]

Welcome to the world you leftists want when you can gain power by it.
ESAD.

[Big Dog]

unreadierLizard (275 posts)    Sun Mar 31, 2013, 09:27 PM

...Whine and moan, blah blah blah...

I'm laughed at for being "different"(in that I don't like sports or fishing or steroids or other "manly" things).

"Steroids or other 'manly' things?"

You're laughed at because you say stupid shit like this, DUmmy.
 

[Evil_Conservative]

I'm laughed at for being "different"(in that I don't like sports or fishing or steroids or other "manly" things

Are you f-ing serious?  I mean... seriously.

Do men take steroids as if they were candy or something?  Also, my husband doesn't go fishing or pay attention to sports.  He does work on cars though.  Should I fill him into the disability gravy train he's missing out on because he doesn't fish or watch sports?

[RayRaytheSBS]

unreadierLizard (275 posts) Sun Mar 31, 2013, 09:27 PM

I have no job. I'm filing for disability.

I'm 21 years old and have never worked a day in my life.

My mental conditions are not taken seriously by anyone because I'm a male.

I'm laughed at for being "different"(in that I don't like sports or fishing or steroids or other "manly" things). 

How about you quit whining and oh, I don't know, DO SOMETHING about your situation instead of just going on disability? Where is your sense of pride?

[Freeper]

How about you quit whining and oh, I don't know, DO SOMETHING about your situation instead of just going on disability? Where is your sense of pride?

If he had a sense of pride he wouldn't be a DUmmy.

[98ZJUSMC]

unreadierLizard (275 posts)    Mon Apr 1, 2013, 04:38 PM

6. Except I'm not faking my disability.

Mine is based on mental illnesses that are chronic(7+ years) that, at it's worst, results in me being unable to leave the house for up to weeks at a time.

Oh, clap, clap.  The social anxiety scam.  

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lumberjack_jeff (24,172 posts)    Mon Apr 1, 2013, 07:05 PM

8. I'm not saying, suggesting or inferring that you are faking it.

I direct a small nonprofit dedicated to the wellbeing of people with disabilities (especially developmental disabilities).  No, you don't, you lying sack of shit.
 
If the economy were better, many of my participants would be able to find work (even part time), because employers would need to make accommodations. What constitutes "disabled" is completely dependent on the economy. Or shift qualifications to suit day of the week.
 
There is a little practical difference (imho) between "unable to work" and "unable to work in this economy".

You're about as full of shit as a Christmas goose.

Hayabusa (1,380 posts)    Mon Apr 1, 2013, 12:56 AM

2. SWM Privilege

may exist to some degree, but for the most part I think that it's used as a weapon to dismiss the opinion of any man who disagrees with a certain brand of feminism. "You don't like our ideas and I don't have anything all that specific to refute your concerns? *checks profile and confirms poster is a male* Privileged!"

None of the Kindergarteners jumped on this?   

[DLR Pyro]

unreadierLizard (275 posts)    Sun Mar 31, 2013, 09:27 PM

I have no job. I'm filing for disability.

I'm 21 years old and have never worked a day in my life.

only 21 years old and already giving up.  What a waste of oxygen. 

[Chris_]

I'm surprised DU has any sort of "men's" forum at all.  You'd think the rabid single-issue libbers would have burned the place down over statements like this one.

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 04:18 AM
Warren DeMontague (44,659 posts)

3. It is an intellectually lazy way to try to shut people up, or down, particularly if they're disagreeing with some goofy brand of dogma.

It's one of many tactics, of course. A popular one right now is to conflate any disagreement with, say, radical feminists, into "attacks on Feminists" or even better, "Attacks on women". Then you have to go down the road of pointing out "you're not speaking for all Feminists, in fact 5 minutes ago you were bad-mouthing 3rd Wavers". It's like saying by criticizing Fred Phelps you are "Attacking Christians". Sort of technically true yet also a vast misrepresentation. Conflate, conflate, conflate. Criticize the way Adria Richards handled eavesdropping on some guy's dumb dongle joke, and all of a sudden you're Reddit MRA pubic enemy phallopressor numero uno, who is obviously "okay with death threats" and all manner of bargle yargle blargle flart.

It's silly, but it's a Gish Gallop tactic of throwing gibberish out so fast that it's nigh-impossible to deconstruct point by point. (Short answer? I haven't seen anyone say they thought the threats against Ms. Richards were appropriate. Because they weren't.)

As for "privileged", again; it's intellectual laziness, generally from people who are more used to dealing with imaginary constructs than actual human beings and the real world. Yes, I would posit that historically there have been many advantages -in many situations- to being male, in Western Society and the US in particular, although this is becoming less and less as we (hopefully) move towards a more egalitarian, merit-based society. I hope and I believe this to be the case. There have also been obvious advantages to being White, to being Protestant, to being Rich, as well as to being strappingly handsome and, ah, endowed in the shoe and glove department.

[Dori]

My mental conditions are not taken seriously by anyone because I'm a male.

Has anyone ever ran a list of all the mental situations at the DUmp?

[longview]

Has anyone ever ran a list of all the mental situations at the DUmp?

I don't think so, but it gives me depression and anxiety to think about it.  No.  Wait.  It was gas.

[Chris_]

Has anyone ever ran a list of all the mental situations at the DUmp?

NASA doesn't even have that kind of computer space.

[BlueStateSaint]

NASA doesn't even have that kind of computer space.

Not only that, but Cray can't build their supercomputers that big.

[Splashdown]

Has anyone ever ran a list of all the mental situations at the DUmp?

At our old home, before it crashed, there was a long, long list of mental conditions at DU, all culled from the members posting themselves. It was longer than nadin's resume.


BTW. I have lots to say about a guy who isn't 21 and hasn't ever worked. You know what builds up self-esteem? Self-reliance. You know what gets the chicks? Self-reliance--not the emo shit you're wallowing in.

Your parents should be slapped for letting you go 'til 21 without a summer job.

[Freeper]

unreadierLizard (275 posts)
6. Except

I'm not faking my disability.

Mine is based on mental illnesses that are chronic(7+ years) that, at it's worst, results in me being unable to leave the house for up to weeks at a time.

I wonder if he has the same disability that another DUmmy had, where he couldn't get out of bed before noon. 

This kid's parents are probably moonbats as well, otherwise they would have showed some tough love years ago and made his ass leave the house and deal with life just like the rest of us. Chronic laziness is not a disability.

lumberjack_jeff (24,174 posts)
5. In an economy in which labor had any value...

... there would be few people disabled.

10% of the people employed in 1999 are unemployable today, simply because the jobs are not there.

I thought the economy was the bestest ever. 

[AprilRazz]

Are you f-ing serious?  I mean... seriously.

Do men take steroids as if they were candy or something?  Also, my husband doesn't go fishing or pay attention to sports.  He does work on cars though.  Should I fill him into the disability gravy train he's missing out on because he doesn't fish or watch sports?

Mine works on vehicles and does a bit of gun smithing. He also decorates cakes, cooks, bakes, does needlepoint, is a gifted artist, and is a hell of a lot better at craft type items than I am. We go fishing maybe once a year and I watch more sports than he does.

[BlueStateSaint]

At our old home, before it crashed, there was a long, long list of mental conditions at DU, all culled from the members posting themselves. It was longer than nadin's resume.


BTW. I have lots to say about a guy who isn't 21 and hasn't ever worked. You know what builds up self-esteem? Self-reliance. You know what gets the chicks? Self-reliance--not the emo shit you're wallowing in.

Your parents should be slapped for letting you go 'til 21 without a summer job.

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmifO2sKT7g[/youtube]

Dedicated to the primitive in the OP . . .

[FiddyBeowulf]

unreadierLizard (275 posts)    Mon Apr 1, 2013, 04:38 PM

6. Except I'm not faking my disability.

Mine is based on mental illnesses that are chronic(7+ years) that, at it's worst, results in me being unable to leave the house for up to weeks at a time.

After 7 years of chronic laziness maybe it takes him weeks to waddle from the couch to the door?

[Gina]

unreadierLizard (275 posts)    Sun Mar 31, 2013, 09:27 PM

I have no job. I'm filing for disability.

I'm 21 years old and have never worked a day in my life.

Great.  We will be supporting this guy and he will probably live til 100 since he won't have to work a day in his life.  Oh pooooooor him.

[NHSparky]

Memo to OP DUmmie: I have a solution for you:



Take two of these orally at 1100 fps and don't call us in the morning.

[BlueStateSaint]

Memo to OP DUmmie: I have a solution for you:



Take two of these orally at 1100 fps and don't call us in the morning.

You'd need a heluva barrel to get those going at 1100 fps, Sparky.  850 fps would do the trick nicely.

[NHSparky]

You'd need a heluva barrel to get those going at 1100 fps, Sparky.  850 fps would do the trick nicely.

I think 185-grain P+ has a muzzle velocity of about 1100 fps, but yeah, 225-230 grain ball at 850 will do just fine at that range.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

So...

...that's what qualifies as the "Mens" forum.


I need a stripper after reading that.

[BlueStateSaint]

I think 185-grain P+ has a muzzle velocity of about 1100 fps, but yeah, 225-230 grain ball at 850 will do just fine at that range.

 

I was thinking that they were 230-grain to start with.  Hell, at that range, a 29-grain .22 Short would do.