Chinese looking forward to communism

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HiPointDem (14,400 posts)

Chinese looking forward to communism


 
Resentment is reaching a boiling point in China’s factory towns. “People from the outside see our lives as very bountiful, but the real life in the factory is very different,” says factory worker Peng Ming in the southern industrial enclave of Shenzhen. Facing long hours, rising costs, indifferent managers and often late pay, workers are beginning to sound like true proletariat.

“The way the rich get money is through exploiting the workers,” says Guan Guohau, another Shenzhen factory employee. “Communism is what we are looking forward to.”

Unless the government takes greater action to improve their welfare, they say, the laborers will become more and more willing to take action themselves. “Workers will organize more,” Peng predicts. “All the workers should be united.”

That may already be happening. Tracking the level of labor unrest in China is difficult, but experts believe it has been on the rise. A new generation of factory workers — better informed than their parents, thanks to the Internet — has become more outspoken in its demands for better wages and working conditions.

So far, the government’s response has been mixed. Policymakers have raised minimum wages to boost incomes, toughened up labor laws to give workers more protection, and in some cases, allowed them to strike. But the government still discourages independent worker activism, often with force. Such tactics have left China’s proletariat distrustful of their proletarian dictatorship. “The government thinks more about the companies than us,” says Guan. If Xi doesn’t reform the economy so the ordinary Chinese benefit more from the nation’s growth, he runs the risk of fueling social unrest.

http://www.substancenews.net/articles.php?page=4117§ion=Article

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10022587976

Sounds like there are DUmmies in China as well.

Trascoli (146 posts)
1. Communism, it's what the world needs more of?

 I don't want to live in a detriot era dead building.

HiPointDem (14,400 posts)
6. communism killed detroit?

Liberalism did it, but not much different from communism.

MADem (84,115 posts)
3. Communism? I think they're just looking for the Union Label...! nt

Same thing.

DetlefK (1,082 posts)
12. Communism is a great idea, just not for human societies.

Humans are selfish and corrupt. The leaders of the PRC could be the best, nicest and most honest guys in the world, but as long as there's corruption and exploitation at the local level, communism will make lives worse, not better.

HiPointDem (14,400 posts)
13. if humans are selfish and corrupt, then communism is as good as anything else.

 

socialist_n_TN (8,119 posts)
19. Well, I would say it takes about 30 years......

judging for this hotbed of capitalism called the USA. EVERY TIME AND IN EVERY PLACE THE REGULATION OF CAPITALISM IS TRIED, IT EVENTUALLY FAILS. That's the nature of the beast.

The problem with regulating capitalism is that it never STAYS regulated. Regulating capitalism is like riding a tiger. it's VERY difficult to do and you're always in danger of being eaten.

The problem with regulating capitalism is you make it very hard for capitalism to occur.
When the government steps in and decides who will succeed and who will fail that is a problem.
When the government regulates business so much that it is damn near impossible to run a business that is a problem.
You DUmmies have seen what has happened and you want more of it. 

[Chris_]

As OSHA Emphasizes Safety, Long-Term Health Risks Fester

Finding a glue that complied with federal rules was a continuing struggle. In the early 1980s, many companies used glue with a chemical called 1,1,1-trichloroethane, or TCA. But the United States and other countries then banned it because it damages the ozone layer, and businesses switched to methylene chloride.

From the start, government officials worried about the safety of nPB, which is also sometimes called 1-bromopropane or 1-BP.

N-propyl bromide, or nPB — is also used by tens of thousands of workers in auto body shops, dry cleaners and high-tech electronics manufacturing plants across the nation. Medical researchers, government officials and even chemical companies that once manufactured nPB have warned for over a decade that it causes neurological damage and infertility when inhaled at low levels over long periods, but its use has grown 15-fold in the past six years.

New York Times

There's your regulation, DUmmies. 

[DumbAss Tanker]

Howzat 'Dictatorship of the Proletariat' phase working out for you guys?

 

[FlippyDoo]

socialist_n_TN (8,119 posts)
19. Well, I would say it takes about 30 years......

judging for this hotbed of capitalism called the USA. EVERY TIME AND IN EVERY PLACE THE REGULATION OF CAPITALISM IS TRIED, IT EVENTUALLY FAILS. That's the nature of the beast.

The problem with regulating capitalism is that it never STAYS regulated. Regulating capitalism is like riding a tiger. it's VERY difficult to do and you're always in danger of being eaten.

United States of America: 1776-present (though the liberals are doing their best to lay her low).
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics: 1922-1991.

[Carl]

China is not communist now?

[98ZJUSMC]

socialist_n_TN (8,119 posts)
19. Well, I would say it takes about 30 years......

judging for this hotbed of capitalism called the USA. EVERY TIME AND IN EVERY PLACE THE REGULATION OF CAPITALISM IS TRIED, IT EVENTUALLY FAILS. That's the nature of the beast.

The problem with regulating capitalism is that it never STAYS regulated. Regulating capitalism is like riding a tiger. it's VERY difficult to do and you're always in danger of being eaten.

Without Capitalism, Socialism can't survive.  These people parody themselves.

 

[I_B_Perky]

China is not communist now?

That was my question Carl.

I'm reminded of when the Berlin wall fell and the drapes were finally opened on the communist hell holes of eastern Europe. The environazis scream about capitalism and how it harms the environment forget just what the communists did to the environment. China is going down that path.

And these fools say we want dirty air and water.   

[Rachel]

China is not communist now?

I'd call China a mixed economy with political Stalinism. Since the 1970's their economy has become much more liberalized, but politically they're still backwards and anti-freedom.

[DumbAss Tanker]

China is not communist now?

More of a robber-baron oligarchy dressed up in the rotting skin of a Communist revolutionary government, at this point, with the added freight of social controls that make "Draconian" seem a wholly-inadequate word.

[FlippyDoo]

I seem to recall after the Berlin wall fell and the two Germanys were reunited hearing an interview with an East German. He wasn't happy because he said he would now have to work to get provisions.

[Rachel]

I seem to recall after the Berlin wall fell and the two Germanys were reunited hearing an interview with an East German. He wasn't happy because he said he would now have to work to get provisions.

That's a big problem in Central and Eastern Europe currently, a large proportion of people have been left behind by the liberalizing economic reforms in the early 1990's and blame the EU, ethnic minorities or capitalism for their poverty. Which explains why the poor in Central and Eastern Europe flock to the far-left or far-right.

[USA4ME]

Reminds me of how Skins tried to permit the primitives to govern themselves, but had to step in to keep the simpleminded from destroying themselves. Communism and liberalism go hand-in-hand.

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[Ptarmigan]

China is not communist now?

More like Fascist.

[Vagabond]

China is not communist now?

They're not communist, that went out with Chairman Mao.  Now, they're more like fascists.  You can get wealthy as long as you are connected.  If you aren't connected, well then you get to work on the farm for nothing or in some factory with poor environmental and safety controls for very low pay.

This is where unions can have a positive effect.  China is also the single worst violator of environmental pollution.  I predicted the rise of a Chinese union movement and a Chinese environmental umovement some time ago.  It will be interesting to see if it occurs like I think it will.

[USA4ME]

They're not communist, that went out with Chairman Mao.  Now, they're more like fascists.  You can get wealthy as long as you are connected.  If you aren't connected, well then you get to work on the farm for nothing or in some factory with poor environmental and safety controls for very low pay.

This is where unions can have a positive effect.  China is also the single worst violator of environmental pollution.  I predicted the rise of a Chinese union movement and a Chinese environmental umovement some time ago.  It will be interesting to see if it occurs like I think it will.

If they do unionize, they're going to have a whole different set of issues than the unions do here.  Top in my opinion is that investing in Chinese company stocks are way too high risk as they don't apply standard recognizable accounting principles, so there's no way of knowing if the company is really making money.  They're still commies in that important aspect; the gov't won't let businesses show a loss which would imply failure of the communist system.

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[Wineslob]

Howzat 'Dictatorship of the Proletariat' phase working out for you guys?

 

It hasn't been in place long enough to work.


(DUmode off)

[Dori]

HiPointDem (14,400 posts)
13. if humans are selfish and corrupt, then communism is as good as anything else.

You think so?

Take a look at what communism can do to you. 

http://www.chinahush.com/2009/10/21/amazing-pictures-pollution-in-china/

The workers, 86 percent of whom are under 25 years old, live in white dormitories with eight to 10 people sleeping in a room. The living quarters have stairs running up the outside walls and the company has begun covering them with nets to prevent people from jumping.

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/work-employment/995957-its-tough-factory-worker-china-employees.html#ixzz2PDzVsdqQ