Buffalo Wild Wings Refuses Service For Police Officers Carrying Guns

[RobJohnson]

I understand that.  But that doesn't answer my question.

Maybe you should ask BWW?

[IassaFTots]

Yes, that one too.  I won't walk past that one either but the top picture in my post and any variation of it ... I'm gonna be armed.

KC

I paid attention in class.   

[Eupher]

Why should an off duty cop be treated any differently than any other citizen?

I have nothing to point toward on this, only the very real sense that a cop - even when off-duty - isn't really off-duty. He/she is expected to address crimes if/when they're encountered by the cop regardless of duty status at the time.

So in that sense, a cop isn't really a "citizen". Their sworn duties, etc., etc. take them beyond normal citizenry.

I put the military in the same sort of category, though the expectation of addressing crimes where and when they occur isn't the focal point of the military. But the military's sworn duties, per se, take them beyond normal citizenry.

[Texacon]

Actually Euph, I believe citizens have the same requirements to try to stop a crime in progress if they are capable.

I won't take the time to look it up but I believe I've read it before.

KC

[Texacon]

I paid attention in class.   

KC

[Texacon]

Actually, requirement wasn't the word I wanted. Expectation would be more correct.

KC

[Eupher]

Actually Euph, I believe citizens have the same requirements to try to stop a crime in progress if they are capable.

I won't take the time to look it up but I believe I've read it before.

KC

Hmmm. While there are such things as "Good Samaritan Laws" (especially in Germany, especially when addressed toward traffic accidents and rendering aid to those injured), I am not at all aware of any LAWS anywhere that compel people to address crimes when they are in process.

Most of the time, normal citizens are going to scream and run, not address a perp when he's busting caps all over the place.

For cops, they don't have the "luxury" of ignoring that bad guy. Normal citizens can, I believe -- and this is not to suggest that doing so is a good idea all the time (which gives rise to the handle "sheeple").

For those who make the decision to obtain CCW, and they're carrying, they still have a choice to return fire or become sheep.

After Va Tech, I swore I wouldn't become one of those victims. But no law forced me to make that decision.

[Texacon]

I believe regular citizens have the same expectations as a cop, whether they are on duty or off.

The USSC has ruled the police have no duty to protect you. Neither do I but there is an expectation of protection.

Perhaps DAT will weigh in on this for us. DAT, what say you amigo?

KC

[Eupher]

I believe regular citizens have the same expectations as a cop, whether they are on duty or off.

The USSC has ruled the police have no duty to protect you. Neither do I but there is an expectation of protection.

Perhaps DAT will weigh in on this for us. DAT, what say you amigo?

KC

How does the law define "expectations?" That's the part that has me befuddled. And which law? Where?

If you're speaking of state law in Texas, that's one thing. Maybe Texas has such a law of "expectations" of citizenry when they witness a crime in progress. Federal law is something else, and while I'm no attorney (DAT, where are you?), I think it's a very, very difficult point to cite.

Here's my take on why your supposition does not make sense. While common sense tells us that a perp busting caps and taking people out is a crime and the perp needs to be stopped, preferably permanently with two to center mass and one to the head, your average citizen isn't trained on what the law is.

Therefore, from a legal perspective, that citizen cannot make a legal judgment as to what comprises legal and illegal activity, especially when it comes to using force to stop that activity.

A cop, on the other hand, has been trained, has taken an oath, and otherwise is qualified to make those types of judgments. That's yet another reason why cops aren't really "off-duty" and are expected to carry 24/7.

Show me where I'm wrong.