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Cliff Arnebeck (40 posts)

How Karl Rove fixed the FBI investigation of his theft of the 2004 Presidential election in Ohio

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 Karl Rove adopted Stanley Borgia as a protege, as Borgia coordinated the prosecution of the Lackawanna Six for terrorism. Rove had Borgia moved to Cincinnati FBI's SAC in December 2004, just in time to scuttle the FBI's investigation of the obvious evidence of vote switching in the Southern District of Ohio. We interviewed Clermont County Board of Elections personnel who told us the FBI had looked at the boxes of thousands of optical scan ballots that had been "remade" on election night 2004.
 
ABC's Scandal series is revealing a lot about how Karl Rove rigged the 2004 Ohio election, but not this aspect of the cover-up.

patrice (46,567 posts)

1. "We"?? .... interviewed Clermont County etc. & also source link of somesort please & thank you. nt

Cliff Arnebeck (40 posts)

4. Richard Hayes Phillips, PhD and Cliff Arnebeck, Attorney in litigation over the 2004 Ohio election

Richard Hayes Phillips, whom Bob Fitrakis of the Free Press and I (for the Ohio Honest Elections Campaign) were paying to digitally photograph ballots from the 2004 election, was having difficulty gaining access to Clermont County ballots. I drove to Clermont County, just north of Cincinnati, and met with the Assistant County Prosecutor assigned to the BOE. Phillips and I then went into the room where the ballots had been counted and were stored. The episode is documented in Phillips book: Witness to a Crime. One of the altered Clermont County ballots appears on the cover of the book.

Botany (35,708 posts)

70. someday the truth will come out

JoeBlowToo (184 posts)

2. How about a source for that?

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would help for future use.

WillyT (44,529 posts)

6. Um... I'm Thinking... He IS The Source...

malaise (104,111 posts)

24. Question - was Rove's election night outburst on Fox

linked to a 2012 plan which failed?

graham4anything (6,481 posts)

27. No. President Obama won by over 100 electoral votes.

Cliff Arnebeck (40 posts)

39. Rove's grand plan of which the secret Ohio ES&S patch was a part

Yes. Rove had a grand scheme, led by the OpSec (Operations Security) attack, that fizzled before it got very far off the ground. OpSec was to damage Obama in 2012 the same way the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth damaged Kerry in 2004. This time, however, Jill Simpson tracked OpSec's origins to Rove and SmarTech months before its claimed originators said they had created it. Scytl was supposed to play a part in realizing the benefits of the OpSec attack. Simpson exposed Scytl's North American HQ as being a residence in Virginia. Scytl filed a change of address for its HQ to another token address the day after Simpson's picture of the Virginia home appeared in the Free Press.
 
Rove was still counting on the traditional 5-6 point red shift in the Ohio vote on election night. The leak to the Free Press of the ES&S secret contract the week before the election and our litigation regarding it on election day disrupted this last piece of the grand plan that had been unraveling all along.

FourScore (7,777 posts)

49. What did you think of the Anonymous video that came out right after the election?

Do you think they helped to stop the theft or was that video a sham?

Cliff Arnebeck (40 posts)

103. Other help in deterring misconduct in elections

I recall the video appearing before the election, warning Rove not to tamper with it. After the election Brett Kimberlin reported receipt of a letter from "Protectors" claiming to have shut down parts of Romney's computer operations in three states. Thom Hartmann came out with a piece suggesting he thought this activity helped block Rove and may have been the reason for his election night meltdown on Fox.
 
Because Rove was complaining only about Fox's call of Ohio for Obama, I think it was the Ohio Free Press suit that "nixed Rove's Ohio fix," rather than anything Anonymous or the "Protectors" did. Beyond that, I have no knowledge or opinion about what they did. I do think that the DOJ and FBI presence in the field to watch for both voter suppression and vote rigging activity was a major improvement in our commitment as a nation to honest elections. I also appreciated the President's acknowledgment at his State of the Union address of the black woman who waited in line for many hours to vote. The President has directed his attention to this problem, and he is the best ally we could possibly have.

malaise (104,111 posts)

7. Whatever happened with the Michael Connell investigation?

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/12/22/republican_it_specialist_dies_in_plane

A top Republican internet strategist who was set to testify in a case alleging election tampering in 2004 in Ohio has died in a plane crash. Michael Connell was the chief IT consultant to Karl Rove and created websites for the Bush and McCain electoral campaigns. Michael Connell was deposed one day before the election this year by attorneys Cliff Arnebeck and Bob Fitrakis about his actions during the 2004 vote count in Ohio and his access to Karl Rove’s email files and how they went missing.

Frustratedlady (8,768 posts)

14. Thank you for posting that.

I was just going to ask if that was another cover-up. I hope it now comes to trial or an investigation, as that has always eaten at me.
 
Also, the death of the programmer out of Florida that was "suicided" in one of those mysterious locked motel rooms. That was hushed up pretty quickly, as well. No autopsy, as I recall.
 
Before I leave this earth, I'd sure love to know what happened and see a few frog marches.
 
Welcome to DU, Mr. Arnebeck!

graham4anything (6,481 posts)

28. Enabled by Ralph Nader, who threw the election and admits it in his own words.NH NH NH

because SCOTUS decided Florida, and Gore would have won 270 without Florida.

And Nader lied, as Gore wouldn't have chosen those judges that the Bush's did.

Cliff Arnebeck (40 posts)

42. If one was ever done, it is incomplete.

Mike Connell's death has not yet been properly investigated as the result of the crime that it was.
 
An anonymous source from within the McCain campaign informed us: first, that Rove had issued a threat, through Jeff Averbeck, of adverse consequences if Connell did not take the fall for the theft of the 2004 Presidential election in Ohio, and then later, that Connell was willing to talk and that he was in danger from Rove. The second report prompted us to press for Connell's deposition before the 2008 election and for his personal attendance at the Cleveland federal court hearing on whether the deposition would proceed.
 
Connell did not "take the fall." Indeed, he pointed the finger at others for the obvious security issues raised by having SmarTech servers mirroring the Ohio Secretary of State's entire election operation.
 
Attorney General Mukasey did not designate the December 19, 2008 crash as a crime scene, so it was investigated by the NTSB to determine other possible causes. Later, when another informant using the pseudonym of Mark Felt (Deep Throat of Watergate), transmitted a post operation report on the termination of Mike Connell as a national security threat, the Cleveland FBI decided there was nothing to it. When I asked the Columbus FBI to meet with me, Bob Fitrakis and Henry Eckhart to discuss all the evidence we had of an ongoing racketeering conspiracy, I was advised that because the Cleveland FBI decided there was nothing to it, they were not going to look at it any further. Stanley Borgia at this point was serving on the President's Intelligence Advisory Panel.
 
The federal court in Columbus declined to permit us to take the deposition of Karl Rove, whom we had successfully subpoenaed with the cooperation of Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner.
 
We are hoping to soon have both the judicial forum and the necessary resources to proceed with a proper investigation of Karl Rove's role as the principal perpetrator in an ongoing pattern of corrupt activity, including, but not limited to, strategic assassinations.

Ellipsis (5,463 posts)

48. By saying Karl Rove and strategic assassinations in the same sentence you just chummed the DU waters

There are dark nasty things lurking here. Don't you think that's a premature choice of words when you use the word "hoping"?

Cliff Arnebeck (40 posts)

95. Hope for our democracy

Many found it interesting that Karl Rove raised the question if his involvement in strategic assassinations in his appearance before Politico at the 2012 Republican Convention. Rove said that Craig Unger had accused him of murdering Mike Connell in Unger's book "Boss Rove."
 
I express hope about bringing appropriate litigation to fruition because of the considerable force and money out there to prevent such a thing from happening. I think ABC TV's Scandal is a major development in our favor because it is presenting some pretty "dark nasty things lurking here" (rigging Presidential elections and killing people to cover it up) in a rather matter-of-fact way.

creeksneakers2 (6,278 posts)

56. Doesn't make sense

Why would Rove want Connell to take the fall for the theft of the 2004 election, when there has never been proof that it happened at all? Wouldn't Rove want to continue denying that there was any theft?
 
You had Connell under oath in court and he denied all of your accusations. What proof do you have that in the remaining few weeks of his life he planned to admit to perjury and change his story?

Coyotl (4,551 posts)

80. Correct. The whole Smartech thing is a false flag, part of a cover-up of the actual vote-switching.

I can't believe how gullible people are when they want to believe something, or when they might profit from something.
 
If you know how easy it was to fix elections in Ohio, you don't need a conspiracy theory. Just move a ballot to the next precinct's pile, and a Kerry vote became a Bush vote, changing the outcome by 2 votes pert ballot switched. They are covering up a decade of election thefts, and Cliff isn't doing anything to reveal this truth.

Cliff Arnebeck (40 posts)

90. SmarTech's role in managing a complex, multi-year, national vote rigging operation

I am not sure I understand the point you are trying to make. We are addressing the facts of an actual conspiracy for which we have witnesses and evidence--not "conspiracy theory." "Fixing elections in Ohio" is not as simple as moving Kerry ballots to a different precinct in which that ballot position will count as a Bush vote. That technique applied in punch card counties in the 2004 election. We are addressing more than a decade of election thefts, not just in Ohio, but across the nation. SmarTech was the flagship or command central for this operation over the 2000 to at least 2008 time frame, acting under the command of Karl Rove and Jeff Averbeck.
 
If you are suggesting that many ballots were manually switched and/or altered in the 2004 Ohio election, rather than being electronically altered by SmarTech, you are correct. However, SmarTech is where the overall process-a combination of manual and electronic vote rigging was being managed. Ohio had some electronic voting in 2004. For example, SmarTech programming, rather than a computer glitch, is probably the explanation for the few thousand extra votes on a Gahanna electronic voting machine in Franklin County, OH.

Cliff Arnebeck (40 posts)

88. My sense of it

The Rolling Stone piece, authored by Robert Kennedy, Jr. with brilliant graphics by Rolling Stone editors, is about as clear, plain and authoritative as anyone could make it. None other than the great pollster Lou Harris opined that the theft was "obvious." That article was published in June 2006. All that was missing was an insider fessing up, and it appeared Mike Connell was willing to share inside information.
 
I think Rove's initial framing of the threat was intended to appear to accept the fact that Connell was already talking to Spoonamore, and had agreed to talk to others (the House Judiciary Cmte. staff). Rove was suggesting Connell take the fall for Ohio 2004 (for a limited hang out) to save Rove and the others involved in the multi-year, multi-state vote rigging operation from being exposed.
 
I think Jeff Averbeck who was the guy who delivered the message to Connell put it more diplomatically, by saying: "If you spill the beans, you will be the one who ends up being held responsible." So, yes, I think you are correct--they really wanted Connell to keep his mouth shut.
 
I do not believe Connell lied in his deposition. He was actually quite forthcoming. He testified that he was not responsible for the selection of SmarTech to perform the back-up/mirroring of the election function of the Ohio Secretary of State's office. Then, when he acknowledged that SmarTech may have been, or probably was a subcontractor under his GovTech contract, he stated that they were placed there by others, not by him. He denied being responsible for the security issues created by their partisanship and inside position with respect to the counting of the Ohio votes.
 
Connell's continued availability as an honest witness to the IT aspects of every important political operation in which Karl Rove was involved was a threat to the survival of that entire operation. He was a Rove security threat, not a national security threat.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022560634

All this irrefutable evidence and Obama just sits on it.

What do you think Obama's price was? A 2nd term?

 

[GOBUCKS]

Arnebeck is as much a celebrity as Bev Harris, and he's a certifiable conspiracy-theory nut.

[Chris_]

Arnebeck is as much a celebrity as Bev Harris, and he's a certifiable conspiracy-theory nut.

Bev Harris has enough celebrity cred to score an interview once or twice with George Noory during an election year.  She's somewhere on the C2C roster behind the Bigfoot and UFO chasers.

[98ZJUSMC]

Arnebeck is as much a celebrity as Bev Harris, and he's a certifiable conspiracy-theory nut.

They are also "swatters", felons and vote fraudsters, themselves.  No wonder the (D)Ummies sit like little kids lapping this sh*t up.  Bwaaahahahahaha...sitting in a courtroom next to the poverty pimp.  Bite me, Arnebeck.

[Carl]

God these people are insane.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Arnebeck is as much a celebrity as Bev Harris, and he's a certifiable conspiracy-theory nut.

But he looks so good in a suit!

[FiddyBeowulf]

For every other contest the ballot shows the voter chose the Republican. Isn't possible the voter made a mistake on the form and the sticker was the fix or that it was altered by the people looking for alterations to the ballots?

[USA4ME]

For every other contest the ballot shows the voter chose the Republican.

Bingo!

You'd think they'd at least be bright enough to pick a ballot to display where the voter went 1/2 Dem and 1/2 Repub.

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[Gina]

Well I certainly hope they look at this 2012 presidential election.......there should be plenty of instance of fraud there....

[DumbAss Tanker]

For every other contest the ballot shows the voter chose the Republican. Isn't possible the voter made a mistake on the form and the sticker was the fix or that it was altered by the people looking for alterations to the ballots?

All the picture show is that there is a sticker over the Kerry block.  It does NOT show that an election worker put it there, that an election worker then blocked in Bush, or why and by whose hand the sticker got there in the first place.  Here, for instance, the ballots are fed directly into the scanner by the voter, attended by a poll worker who does not do anything out of the sight of the voter, just assists with feeding the scanner if necessary and makes sure the voter is only putting through one ballot.

It really means nothing at all by itself.