cousin Vlada covered it

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022555635

Oh my.  franksolich's cousin.

nadinbrzezinski (117,562 posts)    Sat Mar 23, 2013, 11:48 AM

On the CIA drinking from a five foot hose, spying on Americans via tweeter/Facebook

First, the CIA is not supposed to look inside US borders, but given both are used abroad...they got cover...
 
No, there is no privacy when you post on any computer service...it is a public space, but...this is like dragging your soap box into the park, and have it surrounded by the cops.
 
What people should be afraid is the chilling effect on speech.

Yes, the Wobblies kept at it after the San Diego PD surrounded them a hundred years ago, but in the end that broke popular support...same shit, different century, with Occupy San Diego. People simply were afraid to go to the Plaza, overwhelming police response made people afraid of actual arrest. Never mind they were engaged in first amendment protected activities.
 
I covered it, and was a witness to overwhelming use of force by the police and the fear that slowly permeated the place.
 
That is why you should be afraid of it. The mere suspicion of somebody "in the government" reading your thoughts that might mark you as a rebel will be enough to have a chilling effect and a sense of paranoia.
 
You don't believe me? Ask East Germans of that paranoia. The Stasi did not have enough people to watch every German. In fact, once East Germany fell, tops...they had files on 20%, but the fear was a tool of social control. In this case, 5% due to volume will be impressive...but I will be impressed if they pull it off. The mere suspicion though, will be enough to chill a lot of protected speech.

nadinbrzezinski (117,562 posts)   Sat Mar 23, 2013, 01:37 PM

9. Except in the military

Censors have read military mail forever.

It is in the guise of ahem...national security.

nadinbrzezinski (117,562 posts)    Sat Mar 23, 2013, 01:46 PM

12. He had a security clearance right?

It was at the height of the Cold War. Trust me, military censors and military security followed every step a service member took. That, to them, is a red flag...to these days.
 
I know, hubby held a clearance while in the sub service... I could tell you stories. Suffice it to say...**** Hoover became a common saying while on the phone.

Uh, didn't J. Edgar die in 1971 or 1972, something like that?

How would cousin Vlada, who was born in 1964 or 1965, or something like that, know this?

nadinbrzezinski (117,562 posts)    Sat Mar 23, 2013, 01:57 PM

17. And then you have the Walker case

Where 19 year olds gave up the store to the Soviets on US sub movements...

Mind you, with dad, it was a family business.

I am just telling you the logic... Look my dad survived the Holocaust, he served in the Red Army in 1945-7, he was part of the resistance against the Nazis in 1941-44 in Poland. It came up as a potential issue for my husband to get his clearance renewed in 1998.
 
I was an officer in the medical branch of an allied military, ditto.

It is what it is, and if you serve, you know it.

And it is not just the US military. All militaries are a tad paranoid, called OpSec...it's the nature of the beast.
 
In time of war it can save lives, in peace time it gets really iffy. Suffice to say, the Cold War was a COLD WAR, with plenty of aggression on both sides.

Uh, cousin Vlada's narrative seems to be changing.

She forgot to consult the history books about what happened to those in the Polish resistance movement once the Red Army got inside Poland; I suppose an exception or two occurred, but generally historians aren't aware of members of the Polish resistance going into the Soviet Red Army.

nadinbrzezinski (117,562 posts)    Sat Mar 23, 2013, 02:24 PM

21. And the Russians did the same shit, in a different language

And the 1950s was a Cold War. We spied on them, they spied on us.

Both national elites took advantage that both populations were afraid of the other and rather insular
 
The Civilian Air Patrol exists to these days by the way, these days they are an asset for Search and Rescue.
 
In general Americans are pretty insular and ignorant of the outside world, and this is reinforced in the culture. That is a whole different discussion, to a point. Keeping people in a constant state of fear is easy, when there is a sense of anomie, social anomie, and fear of the other.

<<<thinks cousin Vlada is pretty insular and ignorant of the outside world.

<<<hasn't ever seen any evidence to the contrary, that she might not be.

zappaman (7,676 posts)    Sat Mar 23, 2013, 01:09 PM

2. Holy Crap!

They could even be reading *GASP*...THIS!!!!!!

MineralMan (51,693 posts)   Sat Mar 23, 2013, 01:24 PM

5. I dunno, but it seems doubtful to me.

I'm sure there's an exception in their database search for DU. Everything here is simply ignored, I'm sure.

Ichingcarpenter (27,479 posts)    Sat Mar 23, 2013, 02:26 PM

23. I can trace your ISP right now.

The point is

WE HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE.

Or say.

right?

MineralMan (51,693 posts)    Sat Mar 23, 2013, 02:33 PM

24. Who cares? My IP address is logged on every site I go to.

It's a matter of no interest to me. Indeed, I have nothing to hide. Anywhere I go on the Internet is just somewhere I go. I don't even attempt to be anonymous. There's no point to it.
 
Most of the City of St. Paul, MN uses the same ISP as I do. It's the primary broadband provider here. I like that sites like Google know where I'm searching from. It makes the searches more effective.
 
The funny thing is when people think they're hidden when they're on the Internet.

Rex (33,166 posts)    Sat Mar 23, 2013, 01:47 PM

response to zappaman

13. That's it mister!

You just got a file made with your name on it! What was your name again? For the record.

nadinbrzezinski (117,562 posts)    Sat Mar 23, 2013, 01:39 PM

10. What you need to scream about is the use of that tool by the state

I gave the example of the Stasi. Mind you, I KNOW I got an FBI file, and I KNOW it's growing.
 
Do you think the FBI has a right to keep tabs on citizens just because?

I wish the FBI were keeping tabs on cousin nadin.  When she was given American citizenship about 2000-2001, she swore an oath to wish America and Americans well, it's pretty obvious she's yearning, pining, longing, for the demise of this society and country, and quite blatantly says so.

[Dori]

You don't believe me? Ask East Germans of that paranoia. The Stasi did not have enough people to watch every German. In fact, once East Germany fell, tops...they had files on 20%, but the fear was a tool of social control.

Hey Ms Cracked reporter, you missed a minor detail...the Stasi didn't have electronic data mining then either.

[Mr Mannn]

I think the govt is secretly using spell checker on nadin's posts.

[GOBUCKS]

Interesting how she can equate some cops trying to prevent occupoopers from crapping on a cruiser, with the East German Stasi.

Must be the trained historian coming out.

Then she goes and makes up all that shit about the Red Army and the Polish resistance.

If that isn't a DUmmy of the Year, then I've never seen one.

[franksolich]

Then she goes and makes up all that shit about the Red Army and the Polish resistance.

If that isn't a DUmmy of the Year, then I've never seen one.

You just may be right.

That is so off, three (or more) total inconsistencies--and hence improbabilities--there.

I'm going to watch on my cousin nadin a bit, to see if over time she can iron this out.

It's going to take a lot of doing, ironing it out.  I think it'd be better if cousin Vlada just owned up and admitted she's been stretching things.

[JohnnyReb]

Does the CIA/FBI/ATF/IRS know I read this? Will it come up on my next background check?

[Dori]

Does the CIA/FBI/ATF/IRS know I read this? Will it come up on my next background check?

Do you have facebook?  I know they use that.

[Airwolf]

Wondered when El Guapo was going to post another of her "Close but no where in the ballpark. " stories

[formerlurker]

Ok, I need to go find the thread where Frank is Nads' cousin.

Her husband had a clearance and she has stories about that?  How?

She was an officer in allied military?  Why not say which military - I am confused why it's a secret.

[franksolich]

Ok, I need to go find the thread where Frank is Nads' cousin.

Her husband had a clearance and she has stories about that?  How?

She was an officer in allied military?  Why not say which military - I am confused why it's a secret.

There's no single thread on it; it's a recent, but fragmentary, evolution still taking shape.

<<<waiting for the pie-and-jam primitive, the "grasswire" primitive, to confirm franksolich's Ashkenazi line, from his maternal side three generations back.  The odds are pretty good that nadin's franksolich's third cousin eight times removed, or eighth cousin three times removed.

I'll wait for addled Judy to confirm it, but anyway, anyone who can't see the family resemblance here has to be blind.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Maybe things were different on the Seaview or DSV-6 with Mister Nads, but from the time I enlisted in 1975 I never encountered any actual mail censoring in the Army, just screening mail for contraband like drugs and weapons parts.

[Airwolf]

Maybe things were different on the Seaview or DSV-6 with Mister Nads, but from the time I enlisted in 1975 I never encountered any actual mail censoring in the Army, just screening mail for contraband like drugs and weapons parts.

He may have been on the Yellow Submarine. They never check things there.

[formerlurker]

There's no single thread on it; it's a recent, but fragmentary, evolution still taking shape.

<<<waiting for the pie-and-jam primitive, the "grasswire" primitive, to confirm franksolich's Ashkenazi line, from his maternal side three generations back.  The odds are pretty good that nadin's franksolich's third cousin eight times removed, or eighth cousin three times removed.

I'll wait for addled Judy to confirm it, but anyway, anyone who can't see the family resemblance here has to be blind.

Frank, there is no way on God's green earth you are related to Nads.    Just can't be.

[FlippyDoo]

This thread explains a lot. Apparently, nads writes incoherently to throw off the government spies. Good thinking nads.

[Big Dog]

I did a little research on my own, and came to two startling conclusions.

This is a 12 point comparison between the physical features of Nads and Benjamin Franklin. The 12 point comparison is used by intelligence and law enforcement to make a preliminary identification of an individual based on photographs:



1. Forehead- actually, a fivehead going on six.
2. Hair- identical in color, thinness, length, and flaccidity.
3. Eyes- identically bleary. Ben's, from all night parties of wine and opium at the Hellfire Club; Nads, from being Nads.
4. Nose- identical shape and bomb crater sized nostrils.
5. Mouth- pursed lips to conceal bad dentition.
6. Jowl- a sign of wealth in the 18th century. Today, not so much.
7. Chin- weak, rounded, blends into jowls.
8. Second Chin- in  case the first one wears out.
9. Shoulder- rounded, stooped.
10. Bosom- unappealing in a man or a woman.
11. Batwing- reportedly capable of allowing Nads to glide for short distances. No reports exist of Ben Franklin gliding.
12. Abdomen, or "paunch"- also a sign of prosperity 250 years ago which has not survived to the 21st century.

CONCLUSIONS:
1. Nadin Brzezinski Abbott is actually Benjamin Franklin, Founding Father.
2. Nadin Brzezinski Abbott/Benjamin Franklin is a 300 year old vampire, which accounts for all of her tales of derring-do. She claims to be a combat veteran, but will not name the war she fought in. I suspect it was the Texas War of Independence, which explains her proficiency with a Bowie knife.

SOURCES:
1) Multiple viewings of the Highlander movie series
2) FlippyDoo's groundbreaking work on Nads throughout history
3) Half a bottle of Mexican cough syrup with a tequila chaser

[franksolich]

Damn you're good, Big Dog.

But we got this too, courtesy BattleHymn who first noticed it:

For those too young to remember, that's a Benjamin Franklin half dollar, minted 1948-1963.

[AprilRazz]

nadinbrzezinski (117,562 posts)   Sat Mar 23, 2013, 01:37 PM

9. Except in the military

Censors have read military mail forever.

It is in the guise of ahem...national security.

Having sent and received countless letters from sensitive areas to include naval ships in the Persian Gulf, GITMO, and Afghanistan/Iraq, nads you are full of shit. Yes sensors had blacked out sensitive information in years past but it is not going on now.

[Big Dog]

Damn you're good, Big Dog.

But we got this too, courtesy BattleHymn who first noticed it:

For those too young to remember, that's a Benjamin Franklin half dollar, minted 1948-1963.

I stole the idea of Nads=Ben from BattleHymn, unashamedly. If I make any money from it, I'll share 50/50.

It is worth noting that the Franklin half dollar was minted until 1963, the putative year of Nads' birth (or rebirth).

[GOBUCKS]

Her hairstyle isn't a genetic accident:

GOBUCKS
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Re: Nads says hi to us.

« Reply #54 on: January 24, 2013, 06:29:19 pm »

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Women take photos of celebrities to their hairdressers, asking to have their hair done in a similar manner.

Nutcase nadin took in a picture of Benjamin Franklin.