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The promised savings of $2500 per family in the ACA aren't supposed to happen til 2019.


 
Rising Health Costs Undermine Obama's Pledge   

Last year, I asked White House deputy chief of staff Nancy-Ann DeParle about that $2,500 in savings the president pledged. She insisted families will see that savings seven years after the president said it would be achieved - by 2019.

"Many of the changes in the Affordable Care Act are starting this year, and in succeeding years," DeParle told ABC News, "and by 2019 we estimate that the average family will save around $2,000."

DeParle said that the "big increases that occurred (in 2010) were probably driven by insurance plans overestimating what the impact would be and maybe trying to take some profits upfront before some of the changes in the Affordable Care Act occur."

Administration officials say they never claimed health care costs would go down, only that they would grow at a slower rate than they would have without the Affordable Care Act.

http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=17321046

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022556033

You have got to be shitting me. Now they have the nerve to sit here and claim that all the times they swore up and down that 0bamcare was going to make our premiums fall, that they really meant that our premiums won't go up quite as much as they would without 0bamacare.

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1. I'm starting to have a 'bad feeling' about this whole thing, indeed. eom

You are just now figuring this out? You goons tell us how intelligent you are and how advanced your knowledge is compared to us knuckle dragging freepers, yet we told you fools 4 freaking years ago this was a bad deal. When we warned you, all did was accuse us of hating the black preezy.

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2. I'm not ...

I got a rebate check from my employer because our insurer didn't meet the med-loss ratio ... I, personally, know several people that have benefitted from the features in effect today, from being able to insure a previously uninsurable spouse (due to a pre-existing condition) to a friend that can continue medical treatments after having been told by her insurer that she was uncovered because she had hit her "life-time limit."

So ... where some focus on what might not be; I choose to see, and be thankful for, what is.

So because you got a few crumbs from the table you think that you are having a feast fit for a king.  :mental:

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5. So

you decided to dig up a 2012 blog post by Jake Tapper to try to continue the fear mongering around the health care law?

DeParle said that the "big increases that occurred (in 2010) were probably driven by insurance plans overestimating what the impact would be and maybe trying to take some profits upfront before some of the changes in the Affordable Care Act occur."

Administration officials say they never claimed health care costs would go down, only that they would grow at a slower rate than they would have without the Affordable Care Act.

That is exactly correct. The only people making bullshit claims are the insurance companies.

Sec. Kathleen Sebelius

Holding Insurance Companies Accountable for High Premium Increases

The Affordable Care Act prohibits some of the worst insurance industry practices that have kept affordable health coverage out of reach for millions of Americans. It provides families and individuals with new protections against discriminatory rates due to pre-existing conditions, holds insurance companies accountable for how they spend your premium dollars, and prevents insurance companies from raising your insurance premium rates without accountability or transparency.

For more than a decade before the Affordable Care Act health insurance premiums had risen rapidly, straining the pocketbooks of American families and businesses. Oftentimes, insurance companies were able to raise rates without explanation to consumers or public justification of their actions.

 

The Affordable Care Act brought an unprecedented level of scrutiny and transparency to health insurance rate increases by requiring insurance companies in every state to publicly justify their actions if they want to raise rates by 10% or more. Insurance companies are required to provide easy to understand information to their customers about their reasons for significant rate increases, and any unreasonable rate increases are posted online.

And it's working.

A new report released today shows that the health care law is helping to moderate premium hikes. Since this rule was implemented, the number of requests for insurance premium increases of 10% or more has dropped dramatically, from 75% to 14%. The average premium increase for all rates in 2012 was 30% below what it was in 2010. And available data suggest that this slowdown in rate increases has continued into 2013.

- more -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sec-kathleen-sebelius/holding-insurance-compani_b_2742501.html


Rules finalized for the good stuff in Obamacare
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022415967

Obama Posts: Health Care Anniversary Is A BFD
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2556079

From the post you linked to:

UPDATE: An earlier version of this story failed to credit John Merline of Investor's Business Daily with the computations cited above. ABC News apologizes and regrets the error.

Imagine Jake Tapper using a wingnut site as a source.

Obama's Re-Election Case Rests On 5 Phony Claims
http://news.investors.com/100312-627990-presidents-case-for-re-election-rests-on-five-claims-all-phony.aspx



Well gee since you put it that way, it still ****ing sucks and you idiots are going to be whining and crying and wondering what went wrong.

We were lied to and you idiots will swallow every new lie that they tell you not even recalling what they told you last week.

I may not lock my doors while sitting at a red light and a black man is near, but I sure as hell grab on tight to my wallet when any democrats are close by.

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So the bronze family plan they said will cost $20k in 2017 will be $2k cheaper than it was in 2010 before Obamacare put all the insurance companies out of business?

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People shouldn't worry so much about increases in health plans.

There's no point to a health plan if you can't find a doctor.
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So the bronze family plan they said will cost $20k in 2017 will be $2k cheaper than it was in 2010 before Obamacare put all the insurance companies out of business?



No, it will be $2K cheaper than it was in 2016-  which is 500% higher than it was in 2010.
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6 out of 10 doctors plan to retire early instead of remain in practice after 2014.
We needed more doctors to meet the need, and now we will only have 40% of the doctors now.

something tells me 2014 will be a very interesting year.

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6 out of 10 doctors plan to retire early instead of remain in practice after 2014.
We needed more doctors to meet the need, and now we will only have 40% of the doctors now.

something tells me 2014 will be a very interesting year.

Doctors are lining up to come here......from India.
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Then there is this;

Updated January 13, 2013, 7:07 p.m. ET.
ObamaCare's Health-Insurance Sticker Shock

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323936804578227890968100984.html

and;

Updated March 22, 2013, 8:04 a.m. ET.
Health Insurers Warn on Premiums
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324557804578374761054496682.html

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 Health insurers are privately warning brokers that premiums for many individuals and small businesses could increase sharply next year because of the health-care overhaul law, with the nation's biggest firm projecting that rates could more than double for some consumers buying their own plans.  
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Then there is this;

Updated January 13, 2013, 7:07 p.m. ET.
ObamaCare's Health-Insurance Sticker Shock

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323936804578227890968100984.html

and;

Updated March 22, 2013, 8:04 a.m. ET.
Health Insurers Warn on Premiums
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324557804578374761054496682.html
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But....but....but Obama said it would go down 3,000%?
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Doctors are lining up to come here......from India.
somehow that doesn't comfort me.

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In 2011, The Council on Physician and Nurse Supply estimates that in 10 years, the United States could have a shortage of 200,000 doctors.

(8 years from 2013)
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6 out of 10 doctors plan to retire early instead of remain in practice after 2014.
We needed more doctors to meet the need, and now we will only have 40% of the doctors now
something tells me 2014 will be a very interesting year.

Why would anyone one to be a doctor these days?  Obamacare is going to reduce what they and the hospitals get, plus they have to do what the Dept. of Health tells them they can and can't do, or get fined.

I also heard college kids aren't going into the medical field either. 
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6 out of 10 doctors plan to retire early instead of remain in practice after 2014.
We needed more doctors to meet the need, and now we will only have 40% of the doctors now.

something tells me 2014 will be a very interesting year.
No problem. In the 0conomy, the 0bamaites can change the rules to allow educating new doctors on the Cuban plan.

Mail order and online outfits like Univ. of Phoenix can churn out an unlimited number of new docs in two years apiece, just like in Cuba.

An advantage of the new system will be a huge increase in diversity in the medical business.

Don't you hate it when your surgeon is an old white guy?

And why aren't we using former medics from mexico?

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No problem. In the 0conomy, the 0bamaites can change the rules to allow educating new doctors on the Cuban plan.

Mail order and online outfits like Univ. of Phoenix can churn out an unlimited number of new docs in two years apiece, just like in Cuba.

An advantage of the new system will be a huge increase in diversity in the medical business.

Don't you hate it when your surgeon is an old white guy?

And why aren't we using former medics from mexico?

Every operating room needs a cub reporter from Mexico.
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So the bronze family plan they said will cost $20k in 2017 will be $2k cheaper than it was in 2010 before Obamacare put all the insurance companies out of business?



Yeah, that's where I was going to. Your insurance will be 2000.00 cheaper then it was in 2016, of course by then it's gone up 1000% since this monstrosity was voted in. DUmbasses will not doubt fall for it; their memories are short and they will forget when they paid 1000% less and will be kissing ass on the dems that they saved 2 grand from the already inflated rates. :banghead:

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Yeah, that's where I was going to. Your insurance will be 2000.00 cheaper then it was in 2016, of course by then it's gone up 1000% since this monstrosity was voted in. DUmbasses will not doubt fall for it; their memories are short and they will forget when they paid 1000% less and will be kissing ass on the dems that they saved 2 grand from the already inflated rates. :banghead:

Well, Hitler said that it was good that the peoples memory was short.
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2. I'm not ...

I got a rebate check from my employer because our insurer didn't meet the med-loss ratio ... I, personally, know several people that have benefitted from the features in effect today, from being able to insure a previously uninsurable spouse (due to a pre-existing condition) to a friend that can continue medical treatments after having been told by her insurer that she was uncovered because she had hit her "life-time limit."

So ... where some focus on what might not be; I choose to see, and be thankful for, what is.

You got enough crumbs to be thankful, isn't that just precious?  I remember you demoshit cretins whining about mufflers and Lexuses when President Bush cut the tax rates but now you are thankful your boy king threw you a bone?

Amazing...

Enjoy your muffler, shithead.   :whatever:
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Administration officials say they never claimed health care costs would go down, only that they would grow at a slower rate than they would have without the Affordable Care Act.


I would say unbelievable, but we saw this from the get-go.


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DeParle said that the "big increases that occurred (in 2010) were probably driven by insurance plans overestimating what the impact would be and maybe trying to take some profits upfront before some of the changes in the Affordable Care Act occur."

Heh.... so it's CBO estimates pro-Obama good, CBO estimates anti-Obama  EEERrGGNNNwiNgNutZS!!!!!!!111!!11

Gotcha.  Makes perfect sense.   :whatever:
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Obama's health non-care plan basically boils down to this:

A bunch of lawyers and bureaucrats telling doctors how to practice medicine, and telling YOU just how much "healthcare" you can/will get, and when.

It should work as good as the current tax code, and be as easy to understand and navigate.   :banghead:   :hammer:
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Sorry DUmbasses. We tried to tell you, but you bought into Barry's plan to pit us against each other, and accused half the country of racism.  You were all just soooo much smarter than the dumb fundies who didn't buy into his highness's  rhetoric. 

Now shut up and eat your peas. You will pay for it, and you will love it.

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So the bronze family plan they said will cost $20k in 2017 will be $2k cheaper than it was in 2010 before Obamacare put all the insurance companies out of business?



So there are bronze people, silver people, and gold people?  Man, Plato would be impressed...or horrified.

I guess those bronze people are just gonna have to suck it up.  King David was right, there isn't anything new under the sun.
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I just love this headline;

Labor Unions Finally Read Obamacare Fine Print, Realize Costs Set To Spike, "Turn Sour" On Obama 

(oops, too late)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-31/labor-unions-finally-read-obamacare-fine-print-realize-costs-set-spike-turn-sour-oba

So, nobody read the "great law" they all wanted ......Unions, Liberals, democrats = DUmmies.   :thatsright:
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No, it will be $2K cheaper than it was in 2016-  which is 500% higher than it was in 2010.

I think you nailed it.
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Obama lied, America got screwed.

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  the President pledged:

1) If you like your current insurance you can keep it.

2) If you like your doctor you can keep him or her.

3) The ten-year cost of Obama Care will be less than $1 trillion.

4) Obama Care will not add one dime to the deficit.

All four of these promises have been broken according to the administration’s own experts


http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2013/03/24/obamas-promises-unravel-on-obama-care/
 
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