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How are you going to fix the Catholic Church? Or any church for that matter?
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Bradical79 (384 posts)
How are you going to fix the Catholic Church? Or any church for that matter?
I'm an atheist who has made it known before that I think the best option for those unhappy with the Catholic church leadership is to leave (not a DEMAND to leave like some take it). Community programs can still be handled through secular charity and non-Catholic led community action, and it's not like you get a vote in what goes on in Vatican City.
Of course, I know that this probably isn't a realistic option. My grandfather was fairly liberal for his day, and was excommunicated from the church at one point in his life. I know it was hard for him, and he still considered himself Catholic until the end. Accepting that I was an atheist and permanently cutting ties with my evangelical church was an extremely difficult thing to do that took years to come to grips with. I STILL miss it. There are many wonderful people there despite claims here that all Republicans and conservatives are sociopathic monsters. I know religion is a very powerful thing.
I know some have non-specifically claimed that the Catholic Church can be changed from within, so I'm basically curious what your plan is. Have you organized in any way to liberalize the church? Have there been any successes from your efforts? I'd like to know. Heck, no reason to limit this to Catholics. Has anyone had or witnessed any successes in changing their local or national/global church rather than simply leaving and joining/starting a new already liberal church group?
I'm serious here. If you're not going to leave your group, but are unhappy with how things are at the top, it would be nice to have a game plan or two to deal with it and provide some inspiration for others. 
You lying sack of shit. A list of people the church has excommunicated in the 20th century...
Bishops in China who joined the Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association and ordained bishops without papal approval.[citation needed]
John XXIII excommunicated Fidel Castro in 1962[citation needed]
Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Bishops Antonio de Castro Meyer, Bernard Fellay, Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, Richard Williamson and Alfonso de Galarreta for the Ecône Consecrations (Society of St. Pius X) without papal mandate. Formally declared to have incurred latae sententiae excommunication by Cardinal Bernardin Gantin on July 1, 1988.[15][16] The excommunications of the latter four (the bishops consecrated in that 1988 ceremony) were lifted in 2009; the first two (the consecrator and the co-consecrator) had died in the meantime.[citation needed]
Father Romolo Murri, a leader of the Italian Catholic Democrats, for giving speeches against Papal policy[17]
Juan Perón, in 1955, after he signed a decree ordering the expulsion of Argentine bishops Manuel Tato and Ramón Novoa[18][19]
All Catholics who participated in the creation of an independent church in the Philippines, in 1902[20]
Alfred Loisy, a French cleric associated with modernism.[citation needed]
Leonard Feeney, a U.S. Jesuit priest who defended the strict interpretation of the Roman Catholic doctrine "outside the Church there is no salvation", arguing that baptism of blood and baptism of desire are unavailing.[citation needed] Feeney was later fully reconciled to the Church before his death.[citation needed]
All Catholics who participated in the trial of Archbishop Aloysius Stepinac, which included most of the jury members. [21]
Feliksa Kozłowska and the Mariavite movement in December 1906 by St Pius X[citation needed]
Plaquemines Parish President Leander Perez, Jackson G. Ricau (secretary of the Citizens Council of South Louisiana) and Mrs. B.J. Gaillot, Jr., president of Save Our Nation, Inc., on April 16, 1962 by Archbishop Joseph Rummel of the Archdiocese of New Orleans. They were excommunicated for aggressively opposing the racial integration of Catholic schools in the Archdiocese starting in the 1963-64 school year. Perez and Ricau were later reinstated into the Church following public retractions.[22]
John Duryea, popular priest at Stanford University and in Palo Alto, California, in 1976
Tissa Balasuriya, Sri Lankan Catholic priest, excommunicated in 1997 for his doctrinal views but had this excommunication lifted a year later after admitting "perceptions of error", and agreeing to submit all future writings to his bishops for their imprimatur. Not many folks have been excommunicated so I highly doubt this dipshits grandfather was one of them.
