primitives discuss riffles

[franksolich]

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Scott.K (20 posts)    Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:50 PM

Need help deciding new rifle

Hi, my Dad apparently wants to add another rifle to our collection and while I love these carbon fiber low-power modern rifles, my area of preference is from 1900- Vietnam era guns, so I wouldn't know exactly which rifle I should help him get. Our price range is between $1200- $3000. Oh, and it must have a good MOA right outa the box.

ManiacJoe (5,292 posts)    Mon Feb 11, 2013, 05:01 PM

1. What is the plan for the rifle?

What target? What range? Is there an ammo preference?

Get the right tool for the job....

Scott.K (20 posts)    Mon Feb 11, 2013, 05:17 PM

2. maniac

Target is would be attackers (hopefully not), plinking and when I go hunting, I usually bring an AR, so any modern rifle should be able to take down anything 130 lbs or up. Range: While I have taken down a deer with a rifle from 824 yards, I want one in the intermediate range, so between 200- 500 yards maximum. caliber is not an issue so long as I can rechamber it.

SeattleVet (837 posts)    Mon Feb 11, 2013, 05:47 PM

3. Hard to go wrong with a decent 1903 Springfield.

Many in very good condition available in your price range, or, probably for even less, you can get one of the ones that was 'sporterized' in the late '50's-early '60s'. I inherited my father's sporterized version, and it shoots great.
 
Chambered in .30-06, and the only problem I have is a slightly bad extractor (easy to get a new one, just haven't had the inclination, as it's not that bad a problem - probably fails to grab 1 out of 10 rounds, and I usually just have to cycle the bolt again).

Scott.K (20 posts)    Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:03 PM

4. good.

I was considering a 1903, but then I remembered reading some where that the Garand is just as acurate, same powerful -06 round, is semi-auto, but because of the clip loading, the ones that can be equiped with scopes are rather akward because the scopes sit to one side. Considering this do you still suppose taking a 1903? Im asking because I have only hunted with AR, AK and Remington based platforms.

OffWithTheirHeads (8,836 posts)    Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:37 PM

6. It sounds to me like you want to do two things with the same gun.

If you want to shoot long range, a Remington 700 in match grade 308 seems like the ticket to me and fits your price range. If you want home defense, a Les Baer 1911 or a Remington 870 with a folding stock and a short barrel seems more to the point. The Remington ain't worth a shit for Dove hunting but if they are coming in the front door... Personally, the match grade Les Baer on my nightstand is the easiest to get to, already loaded and very accurate, but I don't hunt with either of them. Different tools for different jobs.

[Delmar]

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:50 PM
Scott.K (20 posts)
 
Need help deciding new rifle

DUmmy Scott is in the market for a rifle and asks his fellow DUmmies for help.

Response to Scott.K (Original post)Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:37 PM
 OffWithTheirHeads (8,836 posts)
6. It sounds to me like you want to do two things with the same gun.

If you want to shoot long range, a Remington 700 in match grade 308 seems like the ticket to me and fits your price range. If you want home defense, a Les Baer 1911 or a Remington 870 with a folding stock and a short barrel seems more to the point. The Remington ain't worth a shit for Dove hunting but if they are coming in the front door... Personally, the match grade Les Baer on my nightstand is the easiest to get to, already loaded and very accurate, but I don't hunt with either of them. Different tools for different jobs.

A Les Baer 1911 is a pistol and a Remington 870 is a shotgun.  Nice recommendations for rifles, OffWithTheirHeads, you DUmbass.

[I_B_Perky]

Response to Scott.K (Original post)Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:37 PM
 OffWithTheirHeads (8,836 posts)
6. It sounds to me like you want to do two things with the same gun.

If you want to shoot long range, a Remington 700 in match grade 308 seems like the ticket to me and fits your price range.If you want home defense, a Les Baer 1911 or a Remington 870 with a folding stock and a short barrel seems more to the point. The Remington ain't worth a shit for Dove hunting but if they are coming in the front door... Personally, the match grade Les Baer on my nightstand is the easiest to get to, already loaded and very accurate, but I don't hunt with either of them. Different tools for different jobs.

Buy a shotgun. That's what your hero Joe Biden said.

[diesel driver]

Buy a shotgun. That's what your hero Joe Biden said.

Yeah, double-barreled, and shoot thru the door first, ask questions later.   

DUmmies are gonna starve to death, after a few pizza delivery people get capped.   

[LC EFA]

Obvious mole is obvious.....

Scott.K (20 posts)    Mon Feb 11, 2013, 05:17 PM

2. maniac

Target is would be attackers (hopefully not), plinking and when I go hunting, I usually bring an AR, so any modern rifle should be able to take down anything 130 lbs or up. Range: While I have taken down a deer with a rifle from 824 yards, I want one in the intermediate range, so between 200- 500 yards maximum. caliber is not an issue so long as I can rechamber it.

Yeah. Sure you did buddy. Fappity fap fap....and I shot the dick off a fly at 1000 miles...

[AprilRazz]

Buy a shotgun. That's what your hero Joe Biden said.

That is only after you try throwing up and urinating all over yourself first.

[Big Dog]

That is only after you try throwing up and urinating all over yourself first.

And when the sheriff finally shows up, there I'll be: standing there with a shotgun in my hand, with urine-stained pants and covered in my own vomit, a hole shot through the front door, and a dead guy on my porch.

What could possibly go wrong?

 

[Gina]

I thought an AR was BADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD.?

[Skul]

I don't do riffles, I do pisstols. 

[JohnnyReb]

DUmmie is secretly planning to "snipe" the president because he ain't getting enough government freebies.

[DumbAss Tanker]

DUmmie wants a precision death ray with a switch to turn it to wide beam, not a rifle, with that list of requirements.

[GOBUCKS]

caliber is not an issue so long as I can rechamber it.

He means reload, not rechamber.

Once you have a simple reloading press, proper dies, and components, you can reload ammunition that's as good as, or better than, store-bought factory loads, at a small fraction of the cost.

To rechamber a rifle you have to either replace or remachine the barrel, a major undertaking that will cost more than the original price of most DUmmyriffles.

A person who knows which end of the weapon to hold against his shoulder would never confuse reloading with rechamberinig.

When you troll the DUmp, you should troll on a subject where you have at least minimal familiarity.

[LC EFA]

He means reload, not rechamber.

Once you have a simple reloading press, proper dies, and components, you can reload ammunition that's as good as, or better than, store-bought factory loads, at a small fraction of the cost.

To rechamber a rifle you have to either replace or remachine the barrel, a major undertaking that will cost more than the original price of most DUmmyriffles.

A person who knows which end of the weapon to hold against his shoulder would never confuse reloading with rechamberinig.

When you troll the DUmp, you should troll on a subject where you have at least minimal familiarity.

Re-chambering withing a family (such as 308 to 243 ) or (30-06 to 25-06 or 35-06 or 270) isn't hugely difficult - new barrel and that should do you. Of course you really need to be able to use a chambering reamer and a lathe to prepare a barrel blank.

If you're going to phuck around too much more it gets difficult.

[67 Rover]

He means reload, not rechamber.

Once you have a simple reloading press, proper dies, and components, you can reload ammunition that's as good as, or better than, store-bought factory loads, at a small fraction of the cost.

To rechamber a rifle you have to either replace or remachine the barrel, a major undertaking that will cost more than the original price of most DUmmyriffles.

A person who knows which end of the weapon to hold against his shoulder would never confuse reloading with rechamberinig.

When you troll the DUmp, you should troll on a subject where you have at least minimal familiarity.

Not true. Inevitably you end up shooting more and the savings disappear.  At least in my case.

[Airwolf]

Toys R US always has  sales on NERF guns and Supper SoaKerrrs

[BadCat]

Wait.  H/sh/it killed a deer at 824 yards with an AR?

[GOBUCKS]

Re-chambering withing a family (such as 308 to 243 ) or (30-06 to 25-06 or 35-06 or 270) isn't hugely difficult - new barrel and that should do you. Of course you really need to be able to use a chambering reamer and a lathe to prepare a barrel blank.

If you're going to phuck around too much more it gets difficult.

So what would it take to acquire, install, and learn to use the equipment you'd need to machine a ready-to-use barrel from a blank? I have no idea, it never occurred to me that anyone would ever do that. Seems to me it would be a lot more practical to buy a new riffle or a new barrelled action.

And if you buy a new barrel, how do you unscrew the old barrel and screw in the new one? You sure can't use your toolbox vise grips. I don't know how you do it, but I'd never attempt it on one of my riffles. If you buy a new barrel from Douglas or Shilen or someone, and have it installed on your action by a gunsmith, what would the total cost be?

There's no DUmpmonkey that would or could do any of that, and DUmmy Scott.K is a very unskilled, obvious troll, who knows less about firearms than Nancy Pelosi.

[Wineslob]

The DUmmies sense of smell must be terrible........

[Carl]

Obvious mole is obvious.....

Yeah. Sure you did buddy. Fappity fap fap....and I shot the dick off a fly at 1000 miles...

If he is skilled enough to even attempt a shot at a deer at 824 yards why is he asking for help?
Either a mole or a typical DUmp liar.

[LC EFA]

So what would it take to acquire, install, and learn to use the equipment you'd need to machine a ready-to-use barrel from a blank? I have no idea, it never occurred to me that anyone would ever do that. Seems to me it would be a lot more practical to buy a new riffle or a new barrelled action.

And if you buy a new barrel, how do you unscrew the old barrel and screw in the new one? You sure can't use your toolbox vise grips. I don't know how you do it, but I'd never attempt it on one of my riffles. If you buy a new barrel from Douglas or Shilen or someone, and have it installed on your action by a gunsmith, what would the total cost be?

There's no DUmpmonkey that would or could do any of that, and DUmmy Scott.K is a very unskilled, obvious troll, who knows less about firearms than Nancy Pelosi.

People at my club routinely swap out and in barrels for a variety of reasons - often to preserve a good barrel for competition , to break in a new barrel or to replace a worn barrel. Actions don't really wear so much as barrels and I see no reason to toss a perfectly good action just because the barrel is worn out, or not shooting as well as it could.

The procedure is actually fairly simple once you've seen it done a couple of times.

If you can use a lathe you can do it without any substantial extra learning.

The key to removing old barrels in most decent actions is a barrel vice and a tool designed to go into the action. I posted a pic in the firearms discussion area showing such a device.

One could pay a gunsmith to do this for you - I don't know the labor cost - but good gunsmiths charge like a wounded bull. Also it's good fun.

[DumbAss Tanker]

So what would it take to acquire, install, and learn to use the equipment you'd need to machine a ready-to-use barrel from a blank? I have no idea, it never occurred to me that anyone would ever do that. Seems to me it would be a lot more practical to buy a new riffle or a new barrelled action.

Huge pain in the ass to maintain concentricity (Assuming the blank is good to go on that in the first place) for anything that has a tapering barrel, instead of a straight cylindrical profile over most of its length like an AR, or a stepped cylindrical profile like a military issue Mauser barrel...you can of course buy commercially-profiled barrels, they cost two or three hundred dollars more than a cylindrical blank unless you happen to stumble on a take-off or production overrun in the bore you want.

And if you buy a new barrel, how do you unscrew the old barrel and screw in the new one? You sure can't use your toolbox vise grips. I don't know how you do it, but I'd never attempt it on one of my riffles.

Those bastards are in there tight, especially in an old military action where they haven't been touched in 80 years.  Not so bad in an AR where they aren't threaded but held in by a castle nut, but still requiring a special spanner and considerable force.  For a steel rifle like a Mauser, Springfield, or Enfield action it takes some special set-up, tools, and about a four-foot cheater bar.

If you buy a new barrel from Douglas or Shilen or someone, and have it installed on your action by a gunsmith, what would the total cost be?

About half what that idiot is planning to spend for the gun total...and that's not counting any work beyond just installing the barrel and headspacing it, like work on the feed ramp, magazine well, bolt face, or extractor.  If you have a connection at a gunsmith school, you can save some money on that, of course you are taking a little bit of a chance - even though the instructors normally won't let an unsafe piece of student work go back to you, they might hose up a $300 barrel.

There's no DUmpmonkey that would or could do any of that, and DUmmy Scott.K is a very unskilled, obvious troll, who knows less about firearms than Nancy Pelosi.

DUmmies lie...DUmmies always lie.

[DefiantSix]

Wait.  H/sh/it killed a deer at 824 yards with an AR?

It was an especially good hit of acid. (Of course, shortly afterward, the ghost of the deer rose up out of the carcass and chased the DUmbshit through a curtain of scorpions and into a lake of acid, where the DUmbshit watched it dissolve s/h/it's skin for the next 6 hours, but that stuff doesn't factor into the point of the bouncy.)

[GOBUCKS]

Wait.  H/sh/it killed a deer at 824 yards with an AR?

No problemo. In in DUmmyland, an AR15 is the second most powerful weapon that can be shoulder-fired, exceeded only by the inconceivable power of the AK47.

For someone who confuses reloading with rechambering, killing a deer with a .22 caliber bullet at a half-mile is a piece of cake.

[Tucker]

I don't do riffles, I do pisstols. 

Same here. My pistols outnumber my riffles by a 4 to 1 margin.

[Big Dog]

Wait.  H/sh/it killed a deer at 824 yards with an AR?

Yup. At night, during a snowstorm, shooting weak hand.