Are Some Men Born Pedophiles? New Science Says Yes, But Sexologists Say Not So

[Freeper]

xchrom (87,756 posts)

Are Some Men Born Pedophiles? New Science Says Yes, But Sexologists Say Not So Fast


 
http://www.alternet.org/are-some-men-born-pedophiles-new-science-says-yes-sexologists-say-not-so-fast

 


Pope Benedict’s legacy will be forever tied to it. Penn State’s lawyers are offering legal settlements over it. Adults who knew perpetrators for years still struggle with it. And now new research suggests that some people are born with brains ‘wired’ for sexual attraction to children—or pedophilia—a propensity that’s further shaped by life experiences and often cannot be controlled.

“Whatever the chain of events is, the chain begins before birth,” said James M. Cantor, a University of Toronto professor of psychiatry whose research team has made a series of startling correlations finding that pedophiles are likely to share physical attributes, such as slightly lower IQs, shorter body height, left-handedness and less brain tissue.

“There is no way to explain the findings that we get for pedophelia without mentioning or without including biology,” he recently told Canada’s Association for the Treatment of Sexual Abusers. “It is inescapable at this point. We cannot rule out psycho-social influences, but we cannot have a complete theory that cannot explain these non-obvious but but exquisitely important biological findings.”

Cantor’s findings have become big news not just because pedophilia is seen as one of the worst crimes—and its scandals and cover-ups don’t seem to end, whether in the Roman Catholic church or football-protecting universities. The idea that moral—and immoral—behavior has a basis in biology is the latest twist in the age-old debate of whether nature or nurture drives human action. For much of the 20 th century, psychologists looked more to the nurture side of the equation. But 21 st century science, with brain-scan imaging and computing power to analyze big data, are suggesting that both factors—one’s genes and one’s upbringing—shape human sexuality.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022417451

So what happens when "science" decides that people are born this way?
They tell us that no one can say homosexuality is a sin because people are born that way, and that everyone must accept what they do.

If pedophiles are "born that way" then will they become another protected class?
One thing our society is really good at is taking away personal responsibility from everyone's actions, well unless you vote for Republicans then they damn near want to give you the chair.

kentuck (65,071 posts)
2. The ex-cop from Colorado Springs was sentenced to 70 yrs in prison yesterday.

I do believe that the sex drive in many men, perhaps most, is the strongest natural urge to control and some are unable to do so. Is is more of a sickness or a crime or can it be separated?

This guy may have been a DUer? (just a hunch)

Yeah I'd say it is more likely he was a DUmmy.

kentuck (65,071 posts)
4. Just my opinion ..

but I think some people cannot control it. The evidence, with priests and other respected professions, indicates it is not something done merely by choice. Just my opinion.

If people can't control it they don't need to be roaming around free.

MindPilot This message was hidden by Jury decision. Hide
9. It makes sense, and this a very new field of study.

Just a few decades ago society viewed homosexuality as a deviant and perverse manifestation of mental illness. Now it is just part of who someone is and we have figured out that "born-this-way" can't be changed.

I think we have to look at the logic and ask why would anyone choose of their own free will to engage in a behavior that leaves so much wreckage in its wake unless they are truly driven by an urge on the level of hunger or needing to breathe.

Imagine as you begin to enter puberty, you find that you are sexually attracted to young kids. Imagine the energy it takes to suppress those feelings and then one day you can't take it anymore, and then people get hurt and lives are shattered. Imagine never being able to seek any help or treatment. Imagine having the only place you can let your secret out is the echo chamber of your pedophile peers.

It comes around again to having un-stigmatized confidential mental health services easily available.


Disclaimer: I am in no way attempting to equate homosexuality and pedophilia; that was a contrast to demonstrate changing viewpoints. The preceding is my own opinion, based on conjecture and anecdote.


A Jury voted 4-2 to hide this post on Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:36 AM. Reason: This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See Community Standards.)

The gay mafia made sure your post got hidden. 

randome (10,348 posts)
11. I don't understand why MindPilot's post was hidden.

We should all be interested in the truth and the science of things no matter where the path leads.

If you were interested in truth you wouldn't be a bunch of socialists.

oldhippie (1,093 posts)
12. It was alerted upon and hidden .....

Last edited Sat Feb 23, 2013, 11:23 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

.... due to the use of the terms "pedophile" and "Homosexual" in the same post.

This post will get hidden too. 

DirkGently (6,300 posts)
17. That's a disturbing and dishonest reason to hide an astute post.

"Hard-wiring" or genetic predisposition has been a central pro-gay rights argument forever. Why would we assume a different sexual predisposition couldn't possibly be "hard-wired" as well?

It doesn't make sense, and the post above dismissing the notion as antiquated as phrenology is also ludicrously disingenuous.

The moral aspect is a separate issue entirely. I've always thought it didn't matter if homo / heterosexuality was "hard-wired" because we're talking about the sexual conduct of consenting adults. I avoid commenting on the issue generally because some in the gay community think it is extremely important that nothing undermine the notion that homosexuality is not a "choice," but the lack of *harm* in private sexual conduct among adults is the bottom line for why it's not a crime, nor even anyone's business but those involved.

But this issue is too important to fart around with political sensitivities. Of course abusive and predatory sexual proclivities are hardwired. There may be psychological / experiential components as well, but it's not like non-pedophiles abstain out of a sense of decency alone. Most people are utterly repelled by the thought of it.

We would be stupid to be so determined to condemn a sexual predisposition that rightfully horrifies us that we have to deny that some people are clearly saddled with some kind of internal drive the rest of us simply do not have and cannot comprehend.

Recognizing a reason for something is not the same as excusing it. Surely we are smart enough to deal with that.

You idiots aren't smart enough to open a can of soup even with a pull top.

[JohnnyReb]

The bar for the "New Normal" just gets lower and lower......how deep in the hole is it now?

[Freeper]

The bar for the "New Normal" just gets lower and lower......how deep in the hole is it now?

I have a theory, that if there is a God and the book of Revelations is accurate, the second coming is not on God's schedule but ours. I believe that he is waiting for humanity to sink so low that there is no longer any redemption for humans before he ends it all. So unless we straighten up and fly right we just may bring on the end of the world.

[wasp69]

And to think, the deviant poofters see no correlation between how homosexuality was "mainstreamed" in the 70s and how the child rapers are trying to do it now.  This is why I will never accept faggotry and queers as "normal".

Bottom line:  Get near my kids, and I'll end your "illness" with a .45 slug between your eyes.

[Celtic Rose]

I've never understood the argument about how being "born" a certain way can negate sinfulness.  By virtue of being born, we are predisposed to sinful behavior, and some people are more tempted by certain sins than others.  I know that I have predisposition to gossiping and pride, and that is something that I personally have to work really hard at.  However, I've never been tempted by the idea of stealing.  Everybody has their own challenges in this life, and some people are clearly more predisposed to other sins than others.  That doesn't mean that their behavior is no longer sinful

[Big Don]

The bar for the "New Normal" just gets lower and lower......how deep in the hole is it now?

You intolerant bastard! They can't help it, they were born that way...

[Duke Nukum]

I've never understood the argument about how being "born" a certain way can negate sinfulness.  By virtue of being born, we are predisposed to sinful behavior, and some people are more tempted by certain sins than others.  I know that I have predisposition to gossiping and pride, and that is something that I personally have to work really hard at.  However, I've never been tempted by the idea of stealing.  Everybody has their own challenges in this life, and some people are clearly more predisposed to other sins than others.  That doesn't mean that their behavior is no longer sinful

Yes, in a way this modern perversion of genetics is no different than astrology. It is a way to negate responsibility for one's life and choices. It is also the same as "the devil made me do it" which I have never heard a real person say.

I never understood it. Even when in the 1990s they found physical differences in gay men, or something I don't quite recall the details, that "proved" it was genetic meant nothing because it is well known that delusional people shape their bodies to fit their delusion.

[BattleHymn]

I never understood it. Even when in the 1990s they found physical differences in gay men, or something I don't quite recall the details, that "proved" it was genetic meant nothing because it is well known that delusional people shape their bodies to fit their delusion.

  

[BlueStateSaint]

Bottom line:  Get near my kids, and I'll end your "illness" with a .45 slug between your eyes.

I'd be a tad more merciful--I'd use a somewhat smaller-diameter bullet.























A .308 . . .

[17 Oaks]

And to think, the deviant poofters see no correlation between how homosexuality was "mainstreamed" in the 70s and how the child rapers are trying to do it now.  This is why I will never accept faggotry and queers as "normal".

Bottom line:  Get near my kids, and I'll end your "illness" with a .45 slug between your eyes.

PREDICTION:  I already see a fast growing trend to INCLUDE pedophiles in the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender pool of minorities and those who have been granted special rights and privileges over and above the majority (white) population. More and more its being called an "illness" and a "handicap".  The ACLU and NAMBLA (which has advocated for many, many years sex with children based SOLEY upon the consent of the child itself or in other words if the child (as young as 3) does not say no then sex with children especially homosexual sex (NAMBLA:  North American Man Boy Love Association) is permissible and will be accepted.  The premise being that the acceptance of "deviant sex" such as Bi, Transgender and Gay/Lesbian is ok, then so is other sexual deviations such as pedophiles and beastality.

You are just gonna love Progressivism...

[Ptarmigan]

So if pedophiles are born that way, does this mean they can be aborted? 

[BEG]

And to think, the deviant poofters see no correlation between how homosexuality was "mainstreamed" in the 70s and how the child rapers are trying to do it now.  This is why I will never accept faggotry and queers as "normal".

Bottom line:  Get near my kids, and I'll end your "illness" with a .45 slug between your eyes.

This H5

[Vagabond]

PREDICTION:  I already see a fast growing trend to INCLUDE pedophiles in the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender pool of minorities and those who have been granted special rights and privileges over and above the majority (white) population. More and more its being called an "illness" and a "handicap".  The ACLU and NAMBLA (which has advocated for many, many years sex with children based SOLEY upon the consent of the child itself or in other words if the child (as young as 3) does not say no then sex with children especially homosexual sex (NAMBLA:  North American Man Boy Love Association) is permissible and will be accepted.  The premise being that the acceptance of "deviant sex" such as Bi, Transgender and Gay/Lesbian is ok, then so is other sexual deviations such as pedophiles and beastality.

You are just gonna love Progressivism...

And that is where "modern society"(1) ends.  With trees bearing odd fruit and corpses dumped in the street with "child molester" written on their chest with a sharpie.  Parents will defend their chidren however they deem necessary.  If law enforcement will not intervene and protect the pedarest, as is this case with most other classes of criminal(2), then the pedarest will be disposed of, the law can be damned.

(1)  Modern Society is not modern.  The Greeks tried it and failed.  The Romans tried it and failed.  The British even tried it and lost their empire in the bargain.  The state will never meet all needs, and not all desires should be given liscense.

(2) The disposition of modern American Law Enforcement acts to buffer the criminal from any real consequence of his actions.  His worst punishment is to be sent to a colony where he is surrounded by other criminals and they can at leisure discuss and refine their techniques, all while being fed and housed for free.  Ask immigrants from Africa about our law enforcement system and be greeted by gails of laughter, they regard it as foolish.

[BEG]

PREDICTION:  I already see a fast growing trend to INCLUDE pedophiles in the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender pool of minorities and those who have been granted special rights and privileges over and above the majority (white) population. More and more its being called an "illness" and a "handicap".  The ACLU and NAMBLA (which has advocated for many, many years sex with children based SOLEY upon the consent of the child itself or in other words if the child (as young as 3) does not say no then sex with children especially homosexual sex (NAMBLA:  North American Man Boy Love Association) is permissible and will be accepted.  The premise being that the acceptance of "deviant sex" such as Bi, Transgender and Gay/Lesbian is ok, then so is other sexual deviations such as pedophiles and beastality.

You are just gonna love Progressivism...

I wouldn't want to hook my wagon to a pedophile. 

[I_B_Perky]

So if pedophiles are born that way, does this mean they can be aborted? 

Yes... after the first time they molest some child and it should be done in a most violent manner. On national TV or in the public square. After Bubba and Tyrone have their fun with them.  Call it a very late post birth abortion.   

[movie buff]

PREDICTION:  I already see a fast growing trend to INCLUDE pedophiles in the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender pool of minorities and those who have been granted special rights and privileges over and above the majority (white) population. More and more its being called an "illness" and a "handicap".  The ACLU and NAMBLA (which has advocated for many, many years sex with children based SOLEY upon the consent of the child itself or in other words if the child (as young as 3) does not say no then sex with children especially homosexual sex (NAMBLA:  North American Man Boy Love Association) is permissible and will be accepted.  The premise being that the acceptance of "deviant sex" such as Bi, Transgender and Gay/Lesbian is ok, then so is other sexual deviations such as pedophiles and beastality.

You are just gonna love Progressivism...

1. As I noted in an earlier thread, it probably won't be long before we start seeing terms like "Pedophobia" regularly popping up on the DUmp.
2. Good point including the ACLU. They've regularly pushed to fully legalize the posession and distribution of child pornography on supposed 1st Amendment grounds. In other words, the only part of the child porn industry they think should stay illegal is its production, I guess because they're too stupid to realize that legalizing its posession and distribution will inevitably lead to an increase in its production.

[JohnnyReb]

1. As I noted in an earlier thread, it probably won't be long before we start seeing terms like "Pedophobia" regularly popping up on the DUmp.
2. Good point including the ACLU. They've regularly pushed to fully legalize the posession and distribution of child pornography on supposed 1st Amendment grounds. In other words, the only part of the child porn industry they think should stay illegal is its production, I guess because they're too stupid to realize that legalizing its posession and distribution will inevitably lead to an increase in its production.

You have to remember where the lawyers of the American Communist Lawyers Union were educated.

[FlaGator]

"If God does not exist, everything is permitted."

[redwhit]

PREDICTION:  I already see a fast growing trend to INCLUDE pedophiles in the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender pool of minorities and those who have been granted special rights and privileges over and above the majority (white) population. More and more its being called an "illness" and a "handicap".  The ACLU and NAMBLA (which has advocated for many, many years sex with children based SOLEY upon the consent of the child itself or in other words if the child (as young as 3) does not say no then sex with children especially homosexual sex (NAMBLA:  North American Man Boy Love Association) is permissible and will be accepted.  The premise being that the acceptance of "deviant sex" such as Bi, Transgender and Gay/Lesbian is ok, then so is other sexual deviations such as pedophiles and beastality.

You are just gonna love Progressivism...

You are right on the money from what I've been reading.  The DSM-IV, the manual of all things psychiatric and touched in the head, is being replaced soon with the DSM-V.  From what I've been reading, working groups have thrown out the idea of including sex addiction and rape (that must have been a fun group) but are still holding onto including hebephilia (jailbait-itis).  Such a ruling both legitimizes and gives a rallying cry to the "oppressed."

My bet is we're within a decade of seeing a pedophile sue for discrimination because he was denied the "right" to adopt a child.

[BlueStateSaint]

You are right on the money from what I've been reading.  The DSM-IV, the manual of all things psychiatric and touched in the head, is being replaced soon with the DSM-V.  From what I've been reading, working groups have thrown out the idea of including sex addiction and rape (that must have been a fun group) but are still holding onto including hebephilia (jailbait-itis).  Such a ruling both legitimizes and gives a rallying cry to the "oppressed."

My bet is we're within a decade of seeing a pedophile sue for discrimination because he was denied the "right" to adopt a child.

Not gonna touch that one. (I think you're right, BTW.)

[Splashdown]

kentuck (65,071 posts)
4. Just my opinion ..

but I think some people cannot control it. The evidence, with priests and other respected professions, indicates it is not something done merely by choice. Just my opinion.

So if someone cannot control his heterosexual urges, it isn't rape?

Do these idiots ever think past the first sentence they write?

[JohnnyReb]

....and his tombstone will say.

Born a pedophile

  Died horribly

[vesta111]

"If God does not exist, everything is permitted."

I see this as a progression of Evil.    Sort of like we think of gate way drugs. Start with tobacco, go on to booze then pot, and on to hard drugs to keep getting you higher. Comes to a point that if one gets at the top of the ladder they die.

Sex is the same thing really, sex is an inborn addiction that all living things have.   So some people keep needing more and more stimulus to get off and experiment looking for the ultimate experience.   When one gets bored with same old same old heterosexual sex the temptation to boost it up a level, a hooker, another male, then when they hit rock bottom  to animals and children.  

This is a sex addiction same  addiction as drugs.   Got to get some satisfaction. Drug addiction can be cured but not sex addition.

Is this a mental disease  --- I think so, these people are phycopaths that care about no one but their own selves and their own gratification of their addiction.

Their world revolves about their addiction, on the outside they are normal to others but when the addiction kicks in, then we get the serials killers and the monsters that rape and kill children.

When people complain about the death penalty, ask them if they would be willing to allow at any amount of money to take these people into their own homes  be they family or strangers ?????
Nothing can cure them, they are a danger to others and will always be.  

[Ptarmigan]

Yes... after the first time they molest some child and it should be done in a most violent manner. On national TV or in the public square. After Bubba and Tyrone have their fun with them.  Call it a very late post birth abortion.  

I was more thinking before they could even become dangerous. A form of crime prevention.

[txradioguy]

PREDICTION:  I already see a fast growing trend to INCLUDE pedophiles in the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender pool of minorities and those who have been granted special rights and privileges over and above the majority (white) population. More and more its being called an "illness" and a "handicap".  The ACLU and NAMBLA (which has advocated for many, many years sex with children based SOLEY upon the consent of the child itself or in other words if the child (as young as 3) does not say no then sex with children especially homosexual sex (NAMBLA:  North American Man Boy Love Association) is permissible and will be accepted.  The premise being that the acceptance of "deviant sex" such as Bi, Transgender and Gay/Lesbian is ok, then so is other sexual deviations such as pedophiles and beastality.

You are just gonna love Progressivism...

There was an article I posted before Christmas that was in a London newspaper that was defending and attempting to normalize pedophilia. 

When people hear crazy shit like this...they shouldn't dismiss it...they need to realize it's something the Progressive Libtards are angling for...and then figure out how to stop it before America becomes the new Sodom and Gomorrah.