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Re: TRUMP, LEVIN RIGHT ABOUT ROVE
« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2013, 08:01:03 AM »
The subject matter is about the influence that Rove and the elitist rich RINO's have on national politics not some local yokel county official. Don't really give a sh!t about MA politics. Those idiots are in favor of windmills which will triple the cost of electricity. Plus, the Governor is a loony tune like Obama. That will never change. 

All politics are local.   What part of that are you struggling the most with headline reader?

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« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2013, 08:16:16 AM »
Hi,

Everything I have read in this thread just reinforces why my check book is closed.  Everything is all about party, as opposed to meeting the needs of the citizens who hire them.  More the reasonto not be supportive.

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« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2013, 08:21:25 AM »
Hi,

Everything I have read in this thread just reinforces why my check book is closed.  Everything is all about party, as opposed to meeting the needs of the citizens who hire them.  More the reasonto not be supportive.

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Re: TRUMP, LEVIN RIGHT ABOUT ROVE
« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2013, 09:18:08 AM »
All politics are local.   What part of that are you struggling the most with headline reader?

That is a catchy little phrase (all politics are local). Does not apply for National politics IMO because of the tremendous amount of money it takes to run and the GOP machine that can grind a candidate out of existence. Rove and RNC wanted Romney from the outset. It has even been reported that rich Repubs backed Reid against Angle. Buck the Repub elites like Boehner and you wind up losing that plum committie assignment. I wish that a candidate for national office could start a grassroot organization. That used to be the case but it is not anymore. Like I said, a rinky dink local county race in MA will never have an impact on getting a Repub elected to President. What part of that statement are you struggling to understand. Just to be clear, I am concerned with National Elections...not local.

Here is another factoid. Romney lost the race in part because conservatives and moderate stayed home because they did not believe the transformation of his liberal social policies. They said why vote for the new guy because he is the mirror image of the one in office. Yankees like you will never understand that conservatives do not want Democrat lite like Rudy tootie, Rove, Krawhammer, Wills, etc. It will be worse the next time if a real conservative is not nominated.

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Re: TRUMP, LEVIN RIGHT ABOUT ROVE
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2013, 10:38:39 AM »
Hi,

Everything I have read in this thread just reinforces why my check book is closed.  Everything is all about party, as opposed to meeting the needs of the citizens who hire them.  More the reasonto not be supportive.

regards,
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I have never given to the GOP, either. Too many times I've watched to the republican establishment push a true conservative out of the race because he was not "electable". Funny thing is that I've also watched their "electable candidate" go down in flames to the democrat.
 I do give to the campaigns of candidates who I support, but I don't think I'll ever give to the national GOP.
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Re: TRUMP, LEVIN RIGHT ABOUT ROVE
« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2013, 11:31:28 AM »
That is a catchy little phrase (all politics are local). Does not apply for National politics IMO because of the tremendous amount of money it takes to run and the GOP machine that can grind a candidate out of existence. Rove and RNC wanted Romney from the outset. It has even been reported that rich Repubs backed Reid against Angle. Buck the Repub elites like Boehner and you wind up losing that plum committie assignment. I wish that a candidate for national office could start a grassroot organization. That used to be the case but it is not anymore. Like I said, a rinky dink local county race in MA will never have an impact on getting a Repub elected to President. What part of that statement are you struggling to understand. Just to be clear, I am concerned with National Elections...not local.

Here is another factoid. Romney lost the race in part because conservatives and moderate stayed home because they did not believe the transformation of his liberal social policies. They said why vote for the new guy because he is the mirror image of the one in office. Yankees like you will never understand that conservatives do not want Democrat lite like Rudy tootie, Rove, Krawhammer, Wills, etc. It will be worse the next time if a real conservative is not nominated.

Again - I am whistling in a grave yard.   

National delegates set party platform and drive who the candidate will be (who are national delegates Bueller?? That's right, "they" are those locals you are making fun of and claim to not care about).   You don't understand that because aside from your constant whining on the internet, you do nothing, are involved in nothing and are an authority on absolutely nothing. 

What YOU will also never understand is that a pure conservative candidate will never win because there isn't enough purists to make it happen (and precious few of them are willing to do the work to make it a possibility).

Because of your total inaction, you are about as relevant as the libertarians.  You'll never realize it though - at least they do and are working to fix that.









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Re: TRUMP, LEVIN RIGHT ABOUT ROVE
« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2013, 11:51:18 AM »
I wish that a candidate for national office could start a grassroot organization. That used to be the case but it is not anymore.

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Yankees like you will never understand that conservatives do not want Democrat lite like Rudy tootie, Rove, Krawhammer, Wills, etc. It will be worse the next time if a real conservative is not nominated.

I ask:  What are you doing to make sure it doesn't happen?
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« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2013, 12:00:48 PM »
Unfortunately, 'Lurker's definition of "putting your shoulder to the wheel to make change" as you put it equates to marching in lockstep with the Republican Party, chanting it's mantra on command and in key.  Anything else falls under the heading of "supporting the Democrats".

I don't see it that way.  Her point is that unless we organize, recruit, and stay persistent (which means not quitting after one failure), then the R party will never change and all of that starts at the local party levels.  All you have to do is look and see how the liberals took over the democrat party from what it was in the 60's.  They organized, recruited, stayed on message, and grew their numbers enough to remake that party into what it is.  For that matter, the democrats did not go away after their ass kicking in '94.  They kept at it until they got it all back in '06 and '08.  If we don't like what we see in the GOP, then it behooves us to grow in enough numbers to run the RINOs out.

I can guarantee you that the democrats aren't going to quit.  They are going to make organizational apparatuses until they get the right one in place to win and stay on top.  As of right now, the GOP is too fractured to do anything like this.  While I don't believe in what the GOP is pushing right now, I do believe that it is the best current vehicle to take on the libs and has the best current machinery to get the job done.

Organize, recruit, and never quit.  I get it now, better than ever, and I think we all should as well or the next several years after a defeat in '14 will be some of the darkest in the Republic's history.
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A community may possess all the necessary moral qualifications, in so high a degree, as to be capable of self-government under the most adverse circumstances; while, on the other hand, another may be so sunk in ignorance and vice, as to be incapable of forming a conception of liberty, or of living, even when most favored by circumstances, under any other than an absolute and despotic government.

John C Calhoun, "Disquisition on Government", 1840

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Re: TRUMP, LEVIN RIGHT ABOUT ROVE
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2013, 12:28:49 PM »
Again - I am whistling in a grave yard.  

National delegates set party platform and drive who the candidate will be (who are national delegates Bueller?? That's right, "they" are those locals you are making fun of and claim to not care about).   You don't understand that because aside from your constant whining on the internet, you do nothing, are involved in nothing and are an authority on absolutely nothing.  

What YOU will also never understand is that a pure conservative candidate will never win because there isn't enough purists to make it happen (and precious few of them are willing to do the work to make it a possibility).

Because of your total inaction, you are about as relevant as the libertarians.  You'll never realize it though - at least they do and are working to fix that.
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You keep changing the goal post. You state you are involved in local elections and do not have the time to become a national delegate. I am not interested in a local or national delegates from MA. Is that clear because they will never support a conservative candidate like Palin. You got one thing right though. I am a purist and believe that a God fearing, moral, social conservative with the same views on economics and peace and war as mine can win. The RNC is hell bound to see that does not happen cause it would upset the apple cart in DC. That is something that the R & D are deathly afraid of. The deck is stacked against a pure conservative that would take a hatchet to spending. These bureaucrats talk outside of both sides of their mouth. I am also a realist and since the last election I feel that a Repub has  a slim chance of getting elected unless he/she is a RINO. I have the money and time to support a candidate for Prez but the last two Repubs candidates disgusted me.

I was excited when Bobby Jindal became Gov of LA. Did not take me long to realize he was just another political hack like most politicians. He made a deal with the legislature to double their salaries which is higher than most states in the South in exchange for some reforms. The voters got wind of this and he decided to veto the legislation after much hell was raised. He is a big time spender and raised department head salaries to sky high levels. The recent fiscal budget takes millions out of the rainy day fund and does some fuzzy math to balance the budget. On top of that the state owes the Feds in medicaid payments. Another one of his tricks is to remove some state workers for Civil Service to unclassified to make the claim that the state is reducing state employees. He is running his ass around the country campaigning for Prez in 016. Another sleazebag ex Gov. of LA Buddy Romer is doing the same thing.

What you do not understand is that I am not going to give my time and money to a candidate for National office who does not share my views. Is that too hard for a Yankee half ass Republician to understand.    
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« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2013, 01:04:48 PM »
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/06/tea-party-backed-ted-cruz-wins-senate-race-in-texas/

I ask:  What are you doing to make sure it doesn't happen?

If someone like Palin or Rubio announces, I will support them. Getting involved and supporting the Repub. Yankee machine with the likes of Rove, Krawhammer, Wills, etc. running the show.  Not a chance in hell.

If Palin decided to run, I would send donations and work my ass off to support her. That would be a first for me cause I don't trust politicians. They lie and when elected they do just the opposite of what they ran on. I watched a freshman retired FBI agent from NY who ran on fiscal responsibility. He voted to raise the debt limit. You think I want to support some pissant like that. I watched Romney state he would wipe Obamacare off the books and then at the end of the campaign state he would keep some parts of it. WTF. 

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« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2013, 01:24:44 PM »

You keep changing the goal post.

No I don't - you just don't understand what I am saying.

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You state you are involved in local elections and do not have the time to become a national delegate.

It has nothing to do with time.   I work hard locally, despite having no time.  

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I am not interested in a local or national delegates from MA. Is that clear because they will never support a conservative candidate like Palin.

I wish I could care (even a little bit) what your opinion is on MA, or anything for that matter.   That is not the point of my posts.

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You got one thing right though. I am a purist and believe that a God fearing, moral, social conservative with the same views on economics and peace and war as mine can win.


You are a small minority - even on this board.  This is a significant mixture of conservatives on this board, with a great deal not really interested in most social conservative issues.  Ditto for the party.


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The RNC is hell bound to see that does not happen cause it would upset the apple cart in DC.

There you go again with "the RNC" nonsense.   Define who that is.   I have.   Many times.

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That is something that the R & D are deathly afraid of. The deck is stacked against a pure conservative that would take a hatchet to spending. These bureaucrats talk outside of both sides of their mouth. I am also a realist and since the last election I feel that a Repub has  a slim chance of getting elected unless he/she is a RINO. I have the money and time to support a candidate for Prez but the last two Repubs candidates disgusted me.

You don't have a clue what "they think" as you are not involved at all.  Locally or nationally.   You get your information from the media.   How is that for irony.


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I was excited when Bobby Jindal became Gov of LA. Did not take me long to realize he was just another political hack like most politicians. He made a deal with the legislature to double their salaries which is higher than most states in the South in exchange for some reforms. The voters got wind of this and he decided to veto the legislation after much hell was raised. He is a big time spender and raised department head salaries to sky high levels. The recent fiscal budget takes millions out of the rainy day fund and does some fuzzy math to balance the budget. On top of that the state owes the Feds in medicaid payments. Another one of his tricks is to remove some state workers for Civil Service to unclassified to make the claim that the state is reducing state employees. He is running his ass around the country campaigning for Prez in 016. Another sleazebag ex Gov. of LA Buddy Romer is doing the same thing.

So what are you going to do about it?   Oh I know - nothing but  :bawl: here. State = local.   :whatever:

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What you do not understand is that I am not going to give my time and money to a candidate for National office who does not share my views. Is that too hard for a Yankee half ass Republician to understand.    

I really don't care what you do with your money.  I am just sick and tired of your constant, non-stop  :bawl:.    You are just as bad as those you make fun of.  You want everyone else to do the work.  The party isn't a ad campaign with the most appealing commercial getting your money/vote.    It;s hard work (which you like the misfits have no interest in partaking in), and hey guess what else it is - the future of our country.  

But you just sit back there and bitch, moan and groan while Obama laughs at you all the way to the socialist country we are becoming.     :bawl:  He's not conservative enough  :bawl:  He's not getting my money.    :bawl: :bawl: :bawl:


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Re: TRUMP, LEVIN RIGHT ABOUT ROVE
« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2013, 01:26:55 PM »
If someone like Palin or Rubio announces, I will support them. Getting involved and supporting the Repub. Yankee machine with the likes of Rove, Krawhammer, Wills, etc. running the show.  Not a chance in hell.

If Palin decided to run, I would send donations and work my ass off to support her. That would be a first for me cause I don't trust politicians. They lie and when elected they do just the opposite of what they ran on. I watched a freshman retired FBI agent from NY who ran on fiscal responsibility. He voted to raise the debt limit. You think I want to support some pissant like that. I watched Romney state he would wipe Obamacare off the books and then at the end of the campaign state he would keep some parts of it. WTF. 

Oh my Lord -- if, if, if -- GET INVOLVED NOW SO IT DOES HAPPEN!!! 

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« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2013, 01:45:19 PM »
If someone like Palin or Rubio announces, I will support them. Getting involved and supporting the Repub. Yankee machine with the likes of Rove, Krawhammer, Wills, etc. running the show.  Not a chance in hell.

If Palin decided to run, I would send donations and work my ass off to support her. That would be a first for me cause I don't trust politicians. They lie and when elected they do just the opposite of what they ran on. I watched a freshman retired FBI agent from NY who ran on fiscal responsibility. He voted to raise the debt limit. You think I want to support some pissant like that. I watched Romney state he would wipe Obamacare off the books and then at the end of the campaign state he would keep some parts of it. WTF.  

I'm not content to sit around and wait for something to happen anymore.  If you are, that's fine, but I won't pretend to understand not exercising personal initiative and leadership to force the changes necessary.  

BTW, it is duly noted how you glazed past my example of a grassroots candidate that beat the establishment candidate.  A now sitting Senator, I might add, that probably single-handedly derailed Hagel from being SECDEF.
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« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2013, 02:22:23 PM »
No I don't - you just don't understand what I am saying.

It has nothing to do with time.   I work hard locally, despite having no time.  

I wish I could care (even a little bit) what your opinion is on MA, or anything for that matter.   That is not the point of my posts.
 

You are a small minority - even on this board.  This is a significant mixture of conservatives on this board, with a great deal not really interested in most social conservative issues.  Ditto for the party.


There you go again with "the RNC" nonsense.   Define who that is.   I have.   Many times.

You don't have a clue what "they think" as you are not involved at all.  Locally or nationally.   You get your information from the media.   How is that for irony.


So what are you going to do about it?   Oh I know - nothing but  :bawl: here. State = local.   :whatever:

I really don't care what you do with your money.  I am just sick and tired of your constant, non-stop  :bawl:.    You are just as bad as those you make fun of.  You want everyone else to do the work.  The party isn't a ad campaign with the most appealing commercial getting your money/vote.    It;s hard work (which you like the misfits have no interest in partaking in), and hey guess what else it is - the future of our country.  

But you just sit back there and bitch, moan and groan while Obama laughs at you all the way to the socialist country we are becoming.     :bawl:  He's not conservative enough  :bawl:  He's not getting my money.    :bawl: :bawl: :bawl:



I must have struck a neve with all your bawling. Plus, I thought you put me on ignore. Just could not help yourself. That is okay cause I lke to mess with people minds that think they know everything. You think you are a legend in yours.  :tongue:

I happen to be a social conservative and a purist. Like I said, very few candidates measure up to the ideals that I have. Keep your queer marriage and drug crap up in MA. I will not support or vote for someone like that.  :loser:

I will participate with my wallet if and when a candidate measures up to my standards. Too bad if that does not suit you. So, don't get your bowels in an uproar; your brains are liable to explode.  :lmao:


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« Reply #39 on: February 21, 2013, 03:26:13 PM »
I must have struck a neve with all your bawling. Plus, I thought you put me on ignore. Just could not help yourself. That is okay cause I lke to mess with people minds that think they know everything. You think you are a legend in yours.  :tongue:

I happen to be a social conservative and a purist. Like I said, very few candidates measure up to the ideals that I have. Keep your queer marriage and drug crap up in MA. I will not support or vote for someone like that.  :loser:

I will participate with my wallet if and when a candidate measures up to my standards. Too bad if that does not suit you. So, don't get your bowels in an uproar; your brains are liable to explode.  :lmao:



You have the debating mentality of a 12 year old.  I have always found your over-the-top attacks against gays to be VERY telling also (self-hate issues Lacarnut?).   :afro:


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« Reply #40 on: February 21, 2013, 03:30:24 PM »
I'm not content to sit around and wait for something to happen anymore.  If you are, that's fine, but I won't pretend to understand not exercising personal initiative and leadership to force the changes necessary.  

BTW, it is duly noted how you glazed past my example of a grassroots candidate that beat the establishment candidate.  A now sitting Senator, I might add, that probably single-handedly derailed Hagel from being SECDEF.

Hey!  I voted for that man!   :-)  Right now, my "time" focus has been primarily shifted to super local-  We have a Mayoral election going on, and I do a lot of volunteer work for State Reps in my area.  I was so disheartened that my rep got redistricted right out of my district.  There was a lot of concern that she might not make it in the new one, given her youth and race, so we moved our volunteering out of our district to her new one to help out.  

She got reelected too.  :-)

ETA: Stefani Carter    http://www.house.state.tx.us/members/member-page/?district=102#member-biography
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Re: TRUMP, LEVIN RIGHT ABOUT ROVE
« Reply #41 on: February 21, 2013, 03:43:24 PM »
Hey!  I voted for that man!   :-)  Right now, my "time" focus has been primarily shifted to super local-  We have a Mayoral election going on, and I do a lot of volunteer work for State Reps in my area.  I was so disheartened that my rep got redistricted right out of my district.  There was a lot of concern that she might not make it in the new one, given her youth and race, so we moved our volunteering out of our district to her new one to help out.  

She got reelected too.  :-)

ETA: Stefani Carter    http://www.house.state.tx.us/members/member-page/?district=102#member-biography

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