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TiTs brother in the Army, Ted N. is a *****!
« on: February 15, 2013, 04:05:42 AM »
I am not sure if piny claims to be a veitvet or not--- although his little picture is of a VN campaign ribbon.

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For some of us, there's no escape from the Vietnam War
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The latest trigger for the war and its trauma is the news that chickenhawk Ted Nugent has accepted an invitation from an idiot RWNJ congressman to attend President Obama's State of the Union address.

I recently discovered that Ted and I reported for our draft physical the same year--1967. Ted's experience was more memorable than mine (http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/nugent.asp).

The Army didn't start out so bad. After Basic, Leadership School, Advanced Infantry Training, and training troops they sent me to Infantry Officer Candidate School for 6 months and I came out a 2nd Lieutenant at 19. At 20, as a 1st Lt., I was leading an Infantry rifle platoon of the 101st Airborne Division in the jungles of Vietnam. I'm only half-joking when I say that the instant hot chocolate my Mom sent me from home helped me face those challenges.

My war ended when I caught AK fire that blew away half my teeth and jaw and put a baseball-sized hole in my shoulder. The Army promoted me to Captain, and after 18 months in the hospital they retired me for partial disability.

Many years after the war I returned to Vietnam three times. I laughed--and cried--with former allies and enemies--ARVNs, VC and NVA. I have more in common with them than I ever will with chickenhawk wannabe-Rambos like Ted Nugent.

For my brothers--and sisters--who served, who may also be triggered by the latest news, just remember one thing and it wil be okay: **** Ted Nugent!


 
Lot's of 'vets' and people who knew people who were there in that thread.

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Re: TiTs brother in the Army, Ted N. is a *****!
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2013, 04:14:13 AM »
My dad served in Korea.

He had a few names for all you snot-nosed, think-you-know-everything, 19 year-old 2nd lieutenants.

The nicest one was ASSHOLES!

Most were "taught" real quick, either by Dad, his platoon, or the circumstances in general, just how little they really knew, usually before they got someone killed.

I'd follow Ted to hell and back.   :rocker:

I wouldn't follow you to the bathroom.   :bigbird:
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Re: TiTs brother in the Army, Ted N. is a *****!
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2013, 06:14:26 AM »
He has done more to help the military/veterans than any of the lib Hollywood types have even talked about.

If he were a lib you morons would be worshiping him.
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Re: TiTs brother in the Army, Ted N. is a *****!
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2013, 08:58:33 AM »
Quote from: AprilRazz on February 15, 2013, 06:14:26 AM
If he were a lib you morons would be worshiping him.

Yep.

Quote from: diesel driver on February 15, 2013, 04:14:13 AM
My dad served in Korea.    :bravo:

He had a few names for all you snot-nosed, think-you-know-everything, 19 year-old 2nd lieutenants.

The nicest one was ASSHOLES!

Most were "taught" real quick, either by Dad, his platoon, or the circumstances in general, just how little they really knew, usually before they got someone killed.


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A Second Lieutenant with a map.  Give him a compass and he becomes a weapon of mass confusion.

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The Army didn't start out so bad. After Basic, Leadership School, Advanced Infantry Training, and training troops....

Training troops when you're fresh out of AIT?  On what, chow?  Leadership training before AIT?  Hmmmmm.....


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they sent me to Infantry Officer Candidate School for 6 months and I came out a 2nd Lieutenant at 19. At 20, as a 1st Lt., I was leading an Infantry rifle platoon of the 101st Airborne Division in the jungles of Vietnam. I'm only half-joking when I say that the instant hot chocolate my Mom sent me from home helped me face those challenges.  

Oh, very possible.  Mother Green wanted to send me straight from Boot.  I "declined".  But, no jump school?  Even when they went Airmobile, they were still sending troops to jump school.  Is it me, or does every (D)Ummy who claims RVN service,  also claim 101st?  Is that the only unit they remember because of the tee-vee news?  Whenever I see a (D)Ummy claiming RVN time with the 101st, I am tempted to call  :bs2flag:
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Re: TiTs brother in the Army, Ted N. is a *****!
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2013, 09:37:32 AM »
This thread got me to remembering my Dad, who deployed out of Ft. Campbell in Nov 68 with the 101st, but since he was career Air Force he didn't stay with them much past a few weeks as a FAO, forward air observer to those not conversant with military acronyms.  During Tet, he was at Tan Son Nhut airbase and engaged in hand to hand combat on and off for two or three days.  He came out of Nam with three Purple Hearts and 8 confirmed kills.  He never spoke much about the horrors of war, but I googled the offense and found this video shot by one of the participants during the attack on the airbase.  For anyone interested, the link is below.  RIP, Dad, you will always be my hero. :usflag: :saluteaf:
BTW, the link is slow to upload and it's 14 minutes long, so dial up warning!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLFRlTXEPPY
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Re: TiTs brother in the Army, Ted N. is a *****!
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2013, 10:46:07 AM »
The Army sent a lot of shake-and-bake lieutenants to VN who went from Basic to AIT to OCS to a unit.  Then they RIF'd nearly all of them in 1975.  They didn't do much of anything to improve the reputation of lieutenants generally, to put it nicely.  Unfortunately they were supported in their platoons by a large number of equally-shake-and-bake NCOs, which was not a fortunate combination.
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Re: TiTs brother in the Army, Ted N. is a *****!
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2013, 10:51:26 AM »
Quote from: 98ZJUSMC on February 15, 2013, 08:58:33 AM
Yep.

The most dangerous weapon in the US arsenal:

A Second Lieutenant with a map.  Give him a compass and he becomes a weapon of mass confusion.

Training troops when you're fresh out of AIT?  On what, chow?  Leadership training before AIT?  Hmmmmm.....


Oh, very possible.  Mother Green wanted to send me straight from Boot.  I "declined".  But, no jump school?  Even when they went Airmobile, they were still sending troops to jump school.  Is it me, or does every (D)Ummy who claims RVN service,  also claim 101st?  Is that the only unit they remember because of the tee-vee news?  Whenever I see a (D)Ummy claiming RVN time with the 101st, I am tempted to call  :bs2flag:

Well one good tell is that the details are lacking. No unit mentioned in the 101st or time of service start  dates or ending dates. The 101st still send people to jump school to this very day . It's mostly on an individual basis and you have to request it when the unit gets a slot unless your in the Air Assault school as part of the Cadre or some other slot that requires you to go. Also that whole bouncy could have easily been drummed up after watching the History channel for the weekend.
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Re: TiTs brother in the Army, Ted N. is a *****!
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2013, 11:47:42 AM »
Quote from: Boudicca on February 15, 2013, 09:37:32 AM
This thread got me to remembering my Dad, who deployed out of Ft. Campbell in Nov 68 with the 101st, but since he was career Air Force he didn't stay with them much past a few weeks as a FAO, forward air observer to those not conversant with military acronyms.  During Tet, he was at Tan Son Nhut airbase and engaged in hand to hand combat on and off for two or three days.  He came out of Nam with three Purple Hearts and 8 confirmed kills.  He never spoke much about the horrors of war, but I googled the offense and found this video shot by one of the participants during the attack on the airbase.  For anyone interested, the link is below.  RIP, Dad, you will always be my hero. :usflag: :saluteaf:
BTW, the link is slow to upload and it's 14 minutes long, so dial up warning!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLFRlTXEPPY

Similar thing happened to me, the daughter of a woman who's mother passed away had a photo of my dad and some buddies.  She put it up on a Tin can website with the names written on the back of the photo.

 If it were not for the internet I would not have a photo of my dad with two arms as shortly after the photo was taken he was gravely wounded and lost his right arm up to the shoulder.  This was the first and only time I have seen him with two arms and so young.

The ship earned four battle stars and was the first to sink a German submarine off of the East coast.
Photo included for those interested.  My dad is on the left.
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Re: TiTs brother in the Army, Ted N. is a *****!
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2013, 12:01:28 PM »
Quote from: Boudicca on February 15, 2013, 09:37:32 AM
  RIP, Dad, you will always be my hero. :usflag: :saluteaf:

Amen.
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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2013, 12:10:23 PM »
Quote from: Airwolf on February 15, 2013, 10:51:26 AM
Well one good tell is that the details are lacking. No unit mentioned in the 101st or time of service start  dates or ending dates. The 101st still send people to jump school to this very day . It's mostly on an individual basis and you have to request it when the unit gets a slot unless your in the Air Assault school as part of the Cadre or some other slot that requires you to go. Also that whole bouncy could have easily been drummed up after watching the History channel for the weekend.

I liked the "jungles of Vietnam" phrase.  Like he had to force it into the tale.  I know with Marines, they rarely use 1st Marine Division.  Almost without exception, we use 2/5, 3/1 Battalion/Regiment.  Yeah, I should have qualified that about jump school.  You are indeed correct.  A slot only assignment by availability and MOS requirement.  Since the late '70s, I think.  I think the 82nd still sends all of them.  Not sure.
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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2013, 12:46:00 PM »
Quote from: 98ZJUSMC on February 15, 2013, 12:10:23 PM
I liked the "jungles of Vietnam" phrase.  Like he had to force it into the tale.  I know with Marines, they rarely use 1st Marine Division.  Almost without exception, we use 2/5, 3/1 Battalion/Regiment.  Yeah, I should have qualified that about jump school.  You are indeed correct.  A slot only assignment by availability and MOS requirement.  Since the late '70s, I think.  I think the 82nd still sends all of them.  Not sure.

Yes, all the troops in the Brigade Combat Teams are theoretically supposed to be Airborne Qualified. However, most of them don't go to jump school til after they arrive at Ft. Bragg.
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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2013, 03:24:34 PM »
Quote from: dutch508 on February 15, 2013, 04:05:42 AM
I am not sure if piny claims to be a veitvet or not--- although his little picture is of a VN campaign ribbon.
 


Lot's of 'vets' and people who knew people who were there in that thread.



That reminds me of a funny thing that I heard Col. Oliver North (I think) say.  Something like, two and a half million Americans served in Viet Nam, and North said that he thinks that he's met about five million of them personally. 
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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2013, 10:47:18 PM »
Quote from: 67 Rover on February 15, 2013, 11:47:42 AM
Similar thing happened to me, the daughter of a woman who's mother passed away had a photo of my dad and some buddies.  She put it up on a Tin can website with the names written on the back of the photo.

 If it were not for the internet I would not have a photo of my dad with two arms as shortly after the photo was taken he was gravely wounded and lost his right arm up to the shoulder.  This was the first and only time I have seen him with two arms and so young.

The ship earned four battle stars and was the first to sink a German submarine off of the East coast.
Photo included for those interested.  My dad is on the left.


http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=84049.0;attach=4436;image

Thanks for sharing the photo.  How young!
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