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Mass bans vehicles at 4 p.m.; offenders face fine up to $500, 1 year in jail
« on: February 08, 2013, 06:59:22 PM »
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Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick has declared a state of emergency for blizzard that could bring near 3 feet of snow.

Patrick signed an executive order banning all vehicles from roadways starting at 4 p.m. today. Ban applies to all roadways, including highways and secondary roads. Any one caught driving after 4 p.m. faces up to one year in jail and $500 fine.

Patrick said the blizzard is “a profoundly different kind of storm than we have dealt with” and the projected snowfall rate of two to three inches per hour will “make safe travel nearly impossible.”

http://www.eagletribune.com/breakingnews/x1525012659/Mass-bans-vehicles-at-4-p-m-offenders-face-fine-up-to-500-1-year-in-jail
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Re: Mass bans vehicles at 4 p.m.; offenders face fine up to $500, 1 year in jail
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2013, 07:06:33 PM »
Being from Illinois, I have seen roads "officially closed" many times, but never before a storm hits, and I've never heard of cars or trucks being banned with threats of fines and jail time.
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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2013, 07:43:54 PM »
This is ridiculous.

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Re: Mass bans vehicles at 4 p.m.; offenders face fine up to $500, 1 year in jail
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2013, 07:45:35 PM »
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This is ridiculous.

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Re: Mass bans vehicles at 4 p.m.; offenders face fine up to $500, 1 year in jail
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2013, 08:21:09 PM »
We are to stupid to take care of ourselves.
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Re: Mass bans vehicles at 4 p.m.; offenders face fine up to $500, 1 year in jail
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2013, 08:31:30 PM »
So who will be out on the roads enforcing these laws if no one is suppose to be on the roads after 4pm?
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Re: Mass bans vehicles at 4 p.m.; offenders face fine up to $500, 1 year in jail
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2013, 08:55:24 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on February 08, 2013, 07:06:33 PM
Being from Illinois, I have seen roads "officially closed" many times, but never before a storm hits, and I've never heard of cars or trucks being banned with threats of fines and jail time.

Me either.  Even during the really bad Chicago snows.
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Re: Mass bans vehicles at 4 p.m.; offenders face fine up to $500, 1 year in jail
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2013, 08:58:28 PM »
Quote from: Evil_Conservative on February 08, 2013, 08:31:30 PM
So who will be out on the roads enforcing these laws if no one is suppose to be on the roads after 4pm?



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Re: Mass bans vehicles at 4 p.m.; offenders face fine up to $500, 1 year in jail
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2013, 02:06:44 AM »
When you're running a bunch of sheep, it helps to kind of practice some moves with them once in a while.  Remind them what it is to move as a group and pay attention to you.  If you leave sheep alone too long they kind of wander into trouble. 

Closing the roads before a storm even starts?  Definitely a sheep drill.
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Re: Mass bans vehicles at 4 p.m.; offenders face fine up to $500, 1 year in jail
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2013, 04:35:44 AM »
Quote from: longview on February 09, 2013, 02:06:44 AM
When you're running a bunch of sheep, it helps to kind of practice some moves with them once in a while.  Remind them what it is to move as a group and pay attention to you.  If you leave sheep alone too long they kind of wander into trouble. 

Closing the roads before a storm even starts?  Definitely a sheep drill.


It's kind of one of those small steps to see how much curtailing of freedoms people will put up with.
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Re: Mass bans vehicles at 4 p.m.; offenders face fine up to $500, 1 year in jail
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2013, 04:45:47 AM »
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You can’t blame Gov. Deval Patrick for not wanting to pull a Michael Dukakis.

In the blizzard of 1978, the state was woefully unprepared for the massive storm. Gov. Dukakis did issue a travel ban but it came too late — after dozens died and thousands were stranded on the roads.

So now Patrick tries to prevent deaths by banning cars on the road and he gets trashed by critics who say it’s an example of government gone too far.

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/columnists/joe_battenfeld/2013/02/deval_patrick_does_it_right

A few years back we had a really bad storm that started midday.   Coupe Deval told people the day before to not go to work, but if you go to work then leave early before storm hits.  

No one paid him any attention (including schools).   Folks left work as the storm was hitting and 20 minute commutes turned into 6 hour commutes (with ice being a HUGE factor inside the 495 beltway).    Deval was crucified for that as plows were not on the roads due to the gridlock on the highways, and his idiotic comments were along the lines of "I told you to go home."  

He wasn't reliving that.   The fact is people are stupid.   They believe themselves to be invincible.   They clog the highways and roads so plows cannot get through.    This is a very bad storm.   I have 3 feet of snow in my driveway, and it is still snowing.   The wind is howling.  The worst of the storm was 6 p.m. through 6 a.m. this morning.    

I have no problem with this at all.

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Re: Mass bans vehicles at 4 p.m.; offenders face fine up to $500, 1 year in jail
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2013, 06:20:23 AM »
Quote from: formerlurker on February 09, 2013, 04:45:47 AM
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/columnists/joe_battenfeld/2013/02/deval_patrick_does_it_right

A few years back we had a really bad storm that started midday.   Coupe Deval told people the day before to not go to work, but if you go to work then leave early before storm hits.   

No one paid him any attention (including schools).   Folks left work as the storm was hitting and 20 minute commutes turned into 6 hour commutes (with ice being a HUGE factor inside the 495 beltway).    Deval was crucified for that as plows were not on the roads due to the gridlock on the highways, and his idiotic comments were along the lines of "I told you to go home." 

He wasn't reliving that.   The fact is people are stupid.   They believe themselves to be invincible.   They clog the highways and roads so plows cannot get through.    This is a very bad storm.   I have 3 feet of snow in my driveway, and it is still snowing.   The wind is howling.  The worst of the storm was 6 p.m. through 6 a.m. this morning.   

I have no problem with this at all.




Fines and jail?
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Re: Mass bans vehicles at 4 p.m.; offenders face fine up to $500, 1 year in jail
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2013, 06:55:10 AM »
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Re: Mass bans vehicles at 4 p.m.; offenders face fine up to $500, 1 year in jail
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2013, 07:55:17 AM »
Quote from: catsmtrods on February 09, 2013, 06:20:23 AM


Fines and jail?

Fines would happen - jail?  only if it caused a major accident, I would imagine.

The roads were completely empty, so the threat of this clearly worked.   :afro:
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Re: Mass bans vehicles at 4 p.m.; offenders face fine up to $500, 1 year in jail
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2013, 08:02:33 AM »
Yeah, sure, Patrick is a dick and all that, and I don't like him, but I see nothing wrong with what he did here.

The blunt fact of the matter is that hordes of people--think "primitives"--can be really stupid at times, and need corralled in.

If they aren't fenced in, they believe they're invincible and do all sorts of stupid things.....and we taxpayers pick up a pretty big tab for search and rescue and recovery.
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Re: Mass bans vehicles at 4 p.m.; offenders face fine up to $500, 1 year in jail
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2013, 08:09:22 AM »
We have had that problem of stranded cars blocking the roads here in Co just about every time there is a major snow storm. Pena Blvd,which leads to Denver International, was closed for a few days while they tried to remove the cars so they could plow the road.

People are indeed too stupid not to go out when they don't need to, someone has to watch out for the idiots.
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Re: Mass bans vehicles at 4 p.m.; offenders face fine up to $500, 1 year in jail
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2013, 08:20:39 AM »
Quote from: franksolich on February 09, 2013, 08:02:33 AM
Yeah, sure, Patrick is a dick and all that, and I don't like him, but I see nothing wrong with what he did here.

The blunt fact of the matter is that hordes of people--think "primitives"--can be really stupid at times, and need corralled in.

If they aren't fenced in, they believe they're invincible and do all sorts of stupid things.....and we taxpayers pick up a pretty big tab for search and rescue and recovery.

Very very true.  H5.
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« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2013, 08:22:28 AM »
Quote from: tac on February 09, 2013, 08:09:22 AM
We have had that problem of stranded cars blocking the roads here in Co just about every time there is a major snow storm. Pena Blvd,which leads to Denver International, was closed for a few days while they tried to remove the cars so they could plow the road.

People are indeed too stupid not to go out when they don't need to, someone has to watch out for the idiots.

Exactly.

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« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2013, 08:38:43 AM »
I still strongly disagree with it. You warn people then leave them to their own devices. If they get into trouble then they pay.

I don't believe it is the governments job to save us from ourselves and you will never be able to legislate stupidity.

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Re: Mass bans vehicles at 4 p.m.; offenders face fine up to $500, 1 year in jail
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2013, 08:39:55 AM »
Quote from: formerlurker on February 09, 2013, 08:22:28 AM
Exactly.

Examples have been few and far between, but I've lived long enough to know of law-enforcement and rescue personnel dying to save some stupid idiot in lousy weather, and even more getting seriously injured trying to do it.

Not to mention the property damage (to both the property of idiots and of other people).

I'm for "freedom" just as strongly as anybody else, but with it comes a sense of responsibility to society (in this case, the taxpayers) as a whole.  In times of bad weather, one shouldn't be out and about, lest one be a liability to society (i.e., the taxpayers).

In fact, I see nothing at all wrong with, if it's as bad as it apparently was in Massachusetts last night, ordering the shut-down of sales of alcohol, of places where people congregate (such as theaters and shopping malls), and of commercial deliveries.

It's not like a "snow emergency" lasts forever; one can sit still for a while.
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Re: Mass bans vehicles at 4 p.m.; offenders face fine up to $500, 1 year in jail
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2013, 08:46:24 AM »
Quote from: Texacon on February 09, 2013, 08:38:43 AM
I still strongly disagree with it. You warn people then leave them to their own devices. If they get into trouble then they pay.

I don't believe it is the governments job to save us from ourselves and you will never be able to legislate stupidity.

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This is what happens when plows can't get through.    I just read a half dozen local articles where police chiefs stated that had no means to enforce this anyway - the threat kept the idiots off the road. 

No one died.   No stranded vehicles.  Police and first responders were able to respond to true emergencies and not ones caused by idiots making very bad choices at the detriment of others.

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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2013, 08:51:27 AM »


Good times.

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Re: Mass bans vehicles at 4 p.m.; offenders face fine up to $500, 1 year in jail
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2013, 08:58:36 AM »
Quote from: Texacon on February 09, 2013, 08:38:43 AM
I still strongly disagree with it. You warn people then leave them to their own devices. If they get into trouble then they pay.

I don't believe it is the governments job to save us from ourselves and you will never be able to legislate stupidity.

KC
While i don't agree with jailing people for this I understand why he doesn't want folks on the road. The problem here Tex is that you are not just putting yourself at risk but others as well. 3 feet of snow is very difficult to remove when you have a bunch of obstinate morons out driving around getting in the way.It can also be dangerous for the plow drivers too.The funny thing is its always the obstinate folks who are the first to bitch when the roads aren't cleared to their satisfaction never realizing they were part of the reason that it wasn't.I have first hand experience with this living in the mitten all my life! :cheersmate:
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« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2013, 09:03:40 AM »
Quote from: formerlurker on February 09, 2013, 08:51:27 AM


Good times.


Yep! remember that storm too well!
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Re: Mass bans vehicles at 4 p.m.; offenders face fine up to $500, 1 year in jail
« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2013, 09:19:32 AM »
It's just been pointed out to me (here in real life) that with the advent and popularity of cellular telephones around here, fatalities, injuries, and property damage (to other people) from idiots driving around in bad weather have gone up.

Anecdotal information only; I have no idea how to check it out.

Around here, because we're so sparsely populated, if an idiot was out on the roads when he shouldn't have been, well, tough luck for the idiot; he'd just have to freeze to death, no great loss to the rest of us. 

Well, now with cellular telephones, the idiot can summon help that comes to rescue him at the risk of life and limb and tremendous public expense.

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