Experts find remains of England's King Richard III

[bijou]

Scientists say they have found the 500-year-old remains of England's King Richard III under a parking lot in the city of Leicester.

University of Leicester researchers say tests on a battle-scarred skeleton unearthed last year prove "beyond reasonable doubt" that it is the king, who died at the Battle of Bosworth Field in 1485, and whose remains have been missing for centuries. ...

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/scientists-reveal-result-richard-iii-hunt-0

[franksolich]

I saw that earlier, but I remain skeptical.

After the Battle of Bosworth Field, they tossed his body into the river.

And given the fear and paranoia of the time, i really doubt some stalwart defender of the late legitimate king of England dared retrieved it and buried it.

[ColonelCarrots]

Experts? They hired The Nad?

[bijou]

Experts? They hired The Nad?

Why not, surely she's an international globe trotting expert by now? 

[franksolich]

Well, this is one of those cases where, if true, it would be too good to be true.

I'm not sure how accurate DNA tests are; maybe they're pretty much infallible, but I don't know anything about them.

The DNA match comes from the oldest sister of Richard III.

Anne of York, Duchess of Exeter (10 August 1439 – 14 January 1476) was the second child and eldest surviving daughter of Richard Plantagenet, 3rd Duke of York and Cecily Neville.
 
She was an older sister of Edward IV of England, Edmund, Earl of Rutland, Elizabeth of York, Duchess of Suffolk, Margaret, Duchess of Burgundy, George Plantagenet, 1st Duke of Clarence and Richard III of England.

In August 2012, a dig to find the remains of King Richard III took place in Greyfriars, Leicester. In September, it was reported that remains had been found during the dig. The remains are in the process of DNA testing using the DNA of Canadian Michael Ibsen. Michael is a 17th generation descendant of Anne of York by his mother Joy, herself a direct female descendant. Results of the DNA testing are to officially be announced on February 4, 2013.

[Undies]

DNA is almost 100% indisputable and conclusive (except in LA courtrooms).

[franksolich]

DNA is almost 100% indisputable and conclusive (except in LA courtrooms).

I nadined it while you were replying.

A genealogical DNA test looks at a person's genetic code at specific locations. Results give information about genealogy or personal ancestry. Generally, these tests compare the results of an individual to others from the same lineage or to current and historic ethnic groups. The test results are not meant for medical use. They do not determine specific genetic diseases or disorders (see possible exceptions in Medical information below). They are intended only to give genealogical information.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogical_DNA_test

[franksolich]

The only known accurate depiction of Richard III.

There's others around, but they were painted either after his death, or if painted during his life, altered by the Tudors so as to be unflattering.

[franksolich]

Leicester Cathedral, although it was just an ordinary church, not a cathedral (the seat of a bishop) until 1927.

[Jasonw560]

I hope they can do a physical re-creation of his features. See how close it is to the painting. And see if he did indeed have a hunchback.

I'm a nerd like that.

[franksolich]

I hope they can do a physical re-creation of his features. See how close it is to the painting. And see if he did indeed have a hunchback.

I'm a nerd like that.

I have a framed copy of this portrait.

One time when I was working at the Nebraska Department of Health (the mid-1980s), I showed it to various physicians there, as it's known to be reasonably accurate.  I didn't tell any of them who it was; I just asked them to speculate upon any infirmities this person might have had.

It was uncanny; all four of them (they were questioned individually, not all at the same time) guessed some sort of childhood paralytic infirmity, such as polio, which of course would have stunted his growth and curved his back someone. 

Two of them also opined it was a portrait of an uxurious monogamous male, and that was right too.

[ExGeeEye]

Two of them also opined it was a portrait of an uxurious monogamous male, and that was right too.

I didn't find "uxurious" in the on-line dictionary I use.  It may be incomplete.

It did list "uxorious".  Is that it?  If so, Shakespeare left that bit out.  Biased reporter that he was...

[Eupher]

I think this is incredibly fascinating.

Scoliosis. Missing feet. Thrown in a river (not). Two blows to the head any of which could've been fatal.

Last English monarch to have been killed in battle.

Can you see Barry suiting up in chain mail and wielding a mace? Broadsword? Even a halberd? Dying while crying out, "My kingdom for a horse!"?

Yeah. He was talking about Moochelle.

 

[franksolich]

I didn't find "uxurious" in the on-line dictionary I use.  It may be incomplete.

It did list "uxorious".  Is that it?  If so, Shakespeare left that bit out.  Biased reporter that he was...

Yeah, I misspelled it.  Sorry.

He was remarkably loyal and devoted to his wife, to the exclusion of any other women.

[ChuckJ]

Yeah, I misspelled it.  Sorry.

He was remarkably loyal and devoted to his wife, to the exclusion of any other women.

I thought I had made an astounding discovery: that nadin was frank's mole. Then I realized that he admitted that he misspelled it and even apologized.

[BlueStateSaint]

I thought I had made an astounding discovery: that nadin was frank's mole. Then I realized that he admitted that he misspelled it and even apologized.

Pretty much blows that theory right out of the water . . .

[JohnnyReb]

If Nadin is someone's mole.....we need to take up a collection and get that person some help......











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