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Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
« on: January 15, 2013, 01:38:47 PM »
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I'm not saying I buy this; I'm not saying I don't. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and Alex Jones is a kook, but there are a lot of questions left open by this.
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Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2013, 02:19:16 PM »
I watched the whole thing, not because I do or have on things like this, but because it was so compelling.  Its truly a jaw dropper and it raises a lot of questions, far more than it answers.

I do not believe nor ever have in any conspiracy theories...
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Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2013, 02:22:03 PM »
I watched the whole thing, not because I do or have on things like this, but because it was so compelling.  Its truly a jaw dropper and it raises a lot of questions, far more than it answers.

I do not believe nor ever have in any conspiracy theories...

I don't either and only had the thought, "aight, let's see what these conspiracy kooks are up to now". 8:30 left me in shock. What father is seen laughing it up a day after his daughter is brutally murdered?
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Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2013, 02:56:09 PM »
I don't either and only had the thought, "aight, let's see what these conspiracy kooks are up to now". 8:30 left me in shock. What father is seen laughing it up a day after his daughter is brutally murdered?

Right before he is going to give a press conference about his daughter that was just murdered.

From the Coroner to the way people acted to the rifle being in the trunk, something about this entire episode is fishy as hell. I am not claiming conspiracy, but something is fishy.
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Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2013, 03:10:36 PM »
I just don't want to believe any U.S. government is capable of that. I really don't want to think it was an exercise with paid actors that was "leaked" as a real tragedy to drum up a certain, um, debate that's all over the news right now. With Fast and Furious, I don't put anything past these assholes, but it leaves me with a queasy feeling even having the thought. 
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Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2013, 03:12:19 PM »
If all of it were true, then what?  Who's going to expose it?  Who's going to slip up and crack?  Until someone comes forward and says something, nothing will make a difference.

If true, and no one is willing to come forward and tell the truth, then God help us all because we are completely done as a free country.
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Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2013, 03:32:48 PM »
Someone on cnsbbs is trying to say now Salon has stated the little girl with Obama is actually her sister. I guess they've never heard of screencaps.





Her sister is to the right. She's on the left. She was supposed to be dead. The hell?
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Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2013, 03:33:38 PM »
I've heard that some if the victims families were actors, not from the government but hired by the media. Of the two scenarios the media using actors is more plausible in my mind. I will watch this when I get home.
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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2013, 03:34:45 PM »
No matter what side of the fence you fall on you are jumping in a pile of crap, no matter what you believe...
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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2013, 03:40:08 PM »
No matter what side of the fence you fall on you are jumping in a pile of crap, no matter what you believe...

Yep either way we will lose another chunk of liberty.
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Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2013, 03:51:49 PM »
The really scary thing to me is the propaganda media. They are so much in bed with Obama and democrats that it is nearly impossible to believe anything "reported" anymore.   :hammer:

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Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2013, 04:03:45 PM »
The really scary thing to me is the propaganda media. They are so much in bed with Obama and democrats that it is nearly impossible to believe anything "reported" anymore.   :hammer:

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Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2013, 06:17:25 PM »
The DUmmies found this video too, the post was hidden.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022197851

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Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2013, 06:39:36 PM »
The really scary thing to me is the propaganda media. They are so much in bed with Obama and democrats that it is nearly impossible to believe anything "reported" anymore.   :hammer:

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Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2013, 07:49:31 PM »
Something F**ked up is going on.  It seems like we are hearing about one or two shootings a week since this happened.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/15/2-reported-dead-in-shooting-at-kentucky-community-college/

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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2013, 01:49:42 AM »
I'm not saying I buy this; I'm not saying I don't. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and Alex Jones is a kook, but there are a lot of questions left open by this.

I watched the whole thing, not because I do or have on things like this, but because it was so compelling.  Its truly a jaw dropper and it raises a lot of questions, far more than it answers.

Of course it doesnt have answers because they didnt even attempt to find any. They didnt start with questions and then look to answer them, they started with a conclusion and made up questions that would fit it. The whole video asked slanted questions answered with conjecture backed up muted video with absolutely no context.

The fence sitters are worse than the conspiracy nuts, reminds me of all the people that make up these crazy implausible scenarios about Obama and then when some one calls them on it they just say "pray im wrong"

This has "truther" written all over it especially when they try to connect it to 9/11 which pretty much every single conspiracy question about that has been debunked now that its 11 years later and so much information has been released about it.
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Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2013, 01:53:06 AM »
Her sister is to the right. She's on the left. She was supposed to be dead. The hell?

They had 3 daughters
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Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2013, 02:17:26 AM »
Anderson Cooper's take, for what it's worth...http://www.mediaite.com/tv/anderson-cooper-tackles-sickening-ignorant-newtown-conspiracy-theories/

I'm really not big on conspiracy theories, but something about this smells like Nadin.

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Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2013, 07:57:19 AM »
Anderson Cooper's take, for what it's worth...http://www.mediaite.com/tv/anderson-cooper-tackles-sickening-ignorant-newtown-conspiracy-theories/

I'm really not big on conspiracy theories, but something about this smells like Nadin.

Horrible.

Anderson Cooper debunks it, huh.....must be true then.


Something this large with this many people involved would have fallen apart by now.


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Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2013, 08:40:23 AM »
I really look up to yall for news I can't see due to work/family but what about that video of them chasing someone into the woods?  What could be the possible answer to that?






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Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2013, 08:41:51 AM »
Something F**ked up is going on.  It seems like we are hearing about one or two shootings a week since this happened.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/15/2-reported-dead-in-shooting-at-kentucky-community-college/

There is a long pedigree ...The river of steel fueling border violence , Zimmerman , Uncle Fester in Aurora , Ee-whay-sue in VT . 

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ATF Special Agent John Dodson was cleared of wrongdoing pertaining to two internal investigations, according to a letter from Deputy Director Tom Brandon. Excerpts of that letter were released by Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, and Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif.

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Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2013, 08:50:41 AM »
Of course it doesnt have answers because they didnt even attempt to find any. They didnt start with questions and then look to answer them, they started with a conclusion and made up questions that would fit it. The whole video asked slanted questions answered with conjecture backed up muted video with absolutely no context.

The fence sitters are worse than the conspiracy nuts, reminds me of all the people that make up these crazy implausible scenarios about Obama and then when some one calls them on it they just say "pray im wrong"

This has "truther" written all over it especially when they try to connect it to 9/11 which pretty much every single conspiracy question about that has been debunked now that its 11 years later and so much information has been released about it.
Most likely you are right, but sadly your argument started falling apart as you drug in 9/11, "truther" and I am surprised you did not bring up the birthers too and tying it to Obama somehow..

While the video certainly had some holes it clearly brings up some issues that does or should cause one to ponder and wonder.  As I went thru it I certainly saw plenty to cause me to doubt.  Take the smiling jovial attitude of some of the folks.  We can attribute that to a natural reaction to extreme emotional trauma as in the loss of your 6 yr old child...some people react by burying the emotion and covering it up with a smile and a laugh.  Something common in combat and in dealing with PTSD.  I can assure you there is little time for tears and emotion in the mist of a fire fight.  ASK ME HOW I KNOW!!!!!!

Sure, some of the video can be written off to time line etc etc.  That said there is troubling issues, such as the 6 children in the guys house, no doubt there is an explanation and I am sure for all there is legit answers.

Much can be attributed to a lack of communications, no one person in charge, mixed stories from folks on the ground seeking some television time for themselves.  The result is a grab bag of fact and wanna be facts, everyone wants to have the 'scoop' on the story.  True much is sorted out over time, but things like this lingers on for years and constantly gets a new lease in life.  I have noted in the past couple of days how many times I have heard that GHW Bush signed an Executive Order (banning certain guns) in 1989 and or 1990, when in fact he did not (I have examined the EO's signed by Bush over that time frame).   So even 20+ years later the media has latched on to a phony fact probably spewed by some anti-gun org that was never true to begin with.

As for 9/11, that had little legitimacy to it, most just laughed it off as the stretch was way to far for even the common man to accept.

Like UFO's 97% can be explained, but its the 3% that cannot that causes the problem.  SIDEBAR:   I attended a meeting of an org I belong to and our guest speaker, who happens to live down the road from me was giving a talk.  His talk was to debunk the Roswell UFO incident.  In fact he is was the centerpiece of the govt/Air Force denial of Roswell.  He is featured in the govt/Air Force report debunking the UFO's.  The only problem with the story and the report (of which he had copies) is the timeline.  He landed in a field not far from Roswell in a balloon and the gondola flipped over and his head got crushed, scalp nearly torn off and his head became swollen up to the size of a basketball.  He was taken into Roswell and seen by a lot of people while in the small local hospital and lots fo military running around.  And yes the pics of him truly did look like an alien.  One problem in the story.  This took place in 1959, NOT in 1947 the date of the Roswell incident...

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Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy?
« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2013, 09:16:11 AM »
 :o  I was rolling my eyes before but man, there are some really odd things in that video.   :o






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« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2013, 10:22:15 AM »
Most likely you are right, but sadly your argument started falling apart as you drug in 9/11, "truther" and I am surprised you did not bring up the birthers too and tying it to Obama somehow..

The VIDEO linked Sandy Hook to 9/11 not me, they video didnt say anything about the "birther" issue.

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« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2013, 10:32:40 AM »
I really look up to yall for news I can't see due to work/family but what about that video of them chasing someone into the woods?  What could be the possible answer to that?

it was this guy

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http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/14/nation/la-na-1215-newtown-school-shooting-20121215
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