Hockey Phuck tries her hand at a gun bouncy- She fails.

[Tucker]

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I never thought of myself as a (Childhood) Gun Violence Survivor
but I suppose I am. I was also the same age (6 years old) as the Sandy Hook children who survived. No, I was not shot myself or saw other children shot, but I did see an adult shot in the face. It was right after my Mom had taken me to see Santa at Macy's Heard Square and we got on a NYC bus to go home.

This was in 1954 and I could even describe to you what I was wearing that day. Mom and I got on the bus to go home and I was sucking on a candy cane that Santa had given me. The bus driver said "Merry Christmas" and patted me on the head. As Mom paid our fare, we started walking down the aisle to get a seat, when another passenger right behind us got on and got into an argument with the driver. He pulled out a gun and shot the driver in the face. Yes. I turned around and saw it all.

Mom threw me onto the floor of the bus aisle and got on top of me. People were screaming and trying to get off the bus. I suppose in today's world that shooter probably would have tried to take out all the other people on the bus too. No witnesses. The man ran off the bus and people were screaming to "GET HIM". Unarmed people on the street, BTW.

As the shooter had gotten off, Mom got up and pulled me to the front of the bus. "Don't look". she told me, but of course as a little kid, I just had to. 60 years later, I wish I had listened to Mom and NOT looked. I will not go into details of what I saw. but I can close my eyes today and still see that man, who patted 6 year old me on he head. I could not stop shaking for days, and slept in the same bed with Mom and Dad for a very long time. I did not want to get on a city bus, or go to Herald Square for an even longer time. Growing up, I never wanted to own a gun myself for "protection". I wanted no part of them. I do not think anyone who has ever seen what I did as a 6 year old could ever want to.

When the Sandy Hook massacre happened, I had nightmares for days reliving what those children, who were the same age as me, must have experienced. I did not know that adult bus driver. I cannot imwagine how a 6 year old child could live with the memory of their peers and their teachers being annihilated right in front of them.

Gun rights owners, come back and talk to me again when you, or your children, have seen a human being with with their face blown away and their blood and and brains splattered all over the place. No person, let alone a CHILD, should ever have to see that, but this is what you and your "2nd Amendment" rights are advocating MORE OF.

NO MORE. We need to end the violence NOW. Screw YOUR 2nd Amendment rights. The rest of us, and especially little children, right to LIFE trumps any rights you may have to your precious guns.

Bad. Just Bad.

I had her on my DOTY list. She could be a contender if she showed some initiative and started more campfires. That's a common problem with DUmmies. No drive to excel.

The Phuck DUmmy is married for eons to a ultra conservative.

niyad (21,540 posts)
1. I cannot even begin to imagine the horror of what you experienced as a child, and what it was like

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hearing about sandy hook. thank you for sharing this with us, perhaps it will give cause at least one 2d amendment advocate to stop and think.

how are you holding up now? is there anything your DU family can do?

She wants some of the Sandy Hook attention. Nothing more.

Skittles (83,695 posts)
3. my mum evaded machine gun fire

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she mentined it casually one day, in reference to her cousin (when they were children) - "I remember when we were getting machine gunned, Tillie ran so much faster than me." This from a plane that "popped over the channel" during WWII. Needless to say, mum was never a fan of guns. :O

 

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HockeyMom (10,028 posts)
6. May you or your children

never have to experience this. We acknowledge that our soldiers in war {with guns) have Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome, yet we don't that adults and children who have witnessed and survived gun violence. It is just as traumatic. You cannot ignore and bury it in your memory. Someday, even 50 years later it will surface.

Whose rights trump WHOSE? Our Lives and mental health, or some 2nd Amendmen rights to guns?

Your right, what ever it may be, does not trump my right.

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bucky balls (22 posts)
9. Sorry you had that traumatic experience, but can you please explain to me why

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my rights ought to be compromised because of the actions of an infinitesimal number of screwballs?

I'm thinking the supporters of the right to choose might ask a similar question of those who would prohibit every abortion regardless of the circumstances.

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baldguy (28,886 posts)
19. The mind boggles trying to understand these juries sometimes.

Cave moles strike again.

All your juries are belong to us.

I'm expecting big things from the Hockey Phuck primitive.  graham4anything is another one to keep an eye on.

[franksolich]

Oh wah-wah-wah, being "impacted" by an act of violence when one's a kid.

When I was ten years old and one summer morning walking around downtown of the Sandhills town where we lived, I happened to walk into a confrontation with an old man and a drunken cowboy a quarter his age.

Since I'm deaf, I had no idea what was going on, only that they were yelling at each other.

As I watched, the old man took a big S/K adjustable wrench and sheared off the cowboy's lower jaw.

I remember it as if it was yesterday, the way the old man used that wrench.  Every detail, every move.

I was more confused and curious than stunned, and stayed there until others came to carry the jawless cowboy away.

As it turned out, the cowboy, a reprobate drunkard who died early, had killed one of the old man's dogs in an especially cruel and vicious way.  The old man at the time was 85; the cowboy was 21.

The rectal aperture got everything he deserved.

It wasn't pretty, but there wasn't any trauma associated with first-hand up-close observation of justice being done.

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[Tess Anderson]

This is a recurrent theme with this one:

When I was 10 years old, my Dad tried to strangle my Mom in a drunken fit. He had her on the floor. Mom was turning blue. No time for me to call 9/11. I grabbed a kitchen knife, put it to his back, telling him I would kill him if he didn't let her go. He got up, looked at me, and ran out of the house. Mom refused to press charges against him, although all the family said she should. Dad never hit her after that. However, he continued the drinking and gambling. They just went their separate ways while living in the same house. They did not talk to each other from that day on. So much for a child being in a home with a biological mother and father. Yeah, IF they are LOVING.

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Old girl is a huge whiner.

[MrsSmith]

Gun rights owners, come back and talk to me again when you, or your children, have seen a human being with with their face blown away and their blood and and brains splattered all over the place.

Seen that.  Don't blame the gun.  Still have guns, and use them.  I just don't own that particular gun...  

It's too bad no one else on the bus was armed (if there was any truth to the story...   ), the shooter might not have just run away.  If it were widely known that bus drivers were armed, the driver would probably still be alive.  But that would mess up Hockey Mom's little "ME,ME,ME" whine.  

[franksolich]

This is a recurrent theme with this one:

Old girl is a huge whiner.

If she was 6 years old in 1954 (as related in the original post), she was 10 years old in 1958 (as related in your post.

"911" didn't exist in 1958.

[Tucker]

If she was 6 years old in 1954 (as related in the original post), she was 10 years old in 1958 (as related in your post.

"911" didn't exist in 1958.

Great catch.

In 58, I was still in TN. We didn't have a dial on the phone. There was an operator that made the connection for you.

That operator must have been the first person replaced by technology. Hopefully they were union positions.

[franksolich]

Great catch.

In 58, I was still in TN. We didn't have a dial on the phone. There was an operator that made the connection for you.

That operator must have been the first person replaced by technology. Hopefully they were union positions.

If I recall correctly, the usual advice was to "call the operator" or "call 0" in an emergency, and the operator then contacted the proper places.

If I continue to recall correctly, "911" didn't come into being until I was a teenager, in the 1970s.

[thundley4]

Oh wah-wah-wah, being "impacted" by an act of violence when one's a kid.

When I was ten years old and one summer morning walking around downtown of the Sandhills town where we lived, I happened to walk into a confrontation with an old man and a drunken cowboy a quarter his age.

Since I'm deaf, I had no idea what was going on, only that they were yelling at each other.

As I watched, the old man took a big S/K adjustable wrench and sheared off the cowboy's lower jaw.

I remember it as if it was yesterday, the way the old man used that wrench.  Every detail, every move.

I was more confused and curious than stunned, and stayed there until others came to carry the jawless cowboy away.

As it turned out, the cowboy, a reprobate drunkard who died early, had killed one of the old man's dogs in an especially cruel and vicious way.  The old man at the time was 85; the cowboy was 21.

The rectal aperture got everything he deserved.

It wasn't pretty, but there wasn't any trauma associated with first-hand up-close observation of justice being done.

And to this day , an S/K adjustable wrench if the weapon of choice for Franksolich.  That and appearing naked to intruders. 

[Airwolf]

Seen that.  Don't blame the gun.  Still have guns, and use them.  I just don't own that particular gun...  

It's too bad no one else on the bus was armed (if there was any truth to the story...   ), the shooter might not have just run away.  If it were widely known that bus drivers were armed, the driver would probably still be alive.  But that would mess up Hockey Mom's little "ME,ME,ME" whine.  

Well Since I have seen someone with 3 bullet holes to the back of their head then I guess I count. I still feel the same way now as I did before , nothing has changed. In fact I'm probably more Pro gun then ever. Both the shooter and the victim had restraining orders against them which by law means they shouldn't have had guns in the first place and the fact that one of them had his back turned when he was shot  normally means that the shooter in this case should have gone to jail for life but the jury let him go free. He claimed Self Defense but yet he owned the gun found at the crime scene next to the victim and it was unloaded. Plus the shooter had rubber gloves on when he fired his .40 S&W Glock. So I can say that yeah your rights are no more or less important then mine but I'm not trying to take yours away.

I have been shot at and threaten to be shot by our so called allies while overseas and all because they didn't follow the ROE and when it came to actually being shot at it was because someone in charge of the range failed to tell us it went hot. It's amazing how lame the bouncies get when it comes to guns or much of anything.

[98ZJUSMC]

niyad (21,540 posts)
1. I cannot even begin to imagine the horror of what you experienced as a child, and what it was like

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hearing about sandy hook. thank you for sharing this with us, perhaps it will give cause at least one 2d amendment advocate to stop and think.

how are you holding up now? is there anything your DU family can do?

The false story would have happened almost 59 years ago.  Put your cred-seeking empathy in neutral and give it a rest, huh?    If you really want to show empathy, why not bop on down to your nearest VA and show some concern for some actual PTSD sufferers and Wounded Warriors.

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Oh wah-wah-wah, being "impacted" by an act of violence when one's a kid.

(........)
As it turned out, the cowboy, a reprobate drunkard who died early, had killed one of the old man's dogs in an especially cruel and vicious way.

Few things, piss me off more than that.  I would have done the same thing. 

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HockeyMom (10,028 posts)

I never thought of myself as a (Childhood) Gun Violence Survivor

Because you aren't one, you silly old Chamoole. You were a witness, not a "Survivor".

And what's up with the inappropriate capitalization?



 

[franksolich]

Because you aren't one, you silly old Chamoole. You were a witness, not a "Survivor".

That's it--that's the difference, and I couldn't figure out a way to say it yesterday.

She was a witness, I was a witness, nothing more than that.

Witnesses, not victims.

[franksolich]

Few things, piss me off more than that.  I would have done the same thing. 

I wasn't aware of the story at the immediate time, learning it only over the next few days.

And yeah, I've described this event before here on conservativecave, when explaining why franksolich would be more effective with an S/K adjustable wrench than an 88mm cannon.

The old guy was the custodian at the city junkyard; he lived at the entrance, and those bringing garbage out there, including bona fide garbage trucks, were required to stop there and get instructions from him as to where they were to dump their stuff.

Of course he thoroughly examined the stuff, and was a better "picker" than even the grasswire primitive.  After he died, his estate auction was one of the biggest and best-attended antique auctions in central Nebraska.

It was all kosher; the city needed someone to superintend the junkyard, and he did it for decades.  There being no labor union for junkyard managers in those days, he got to live where he lived rent-free, and the one-dollar dumping fee (no matter how large or small the load, it was always a buck) was split fifty cents to him, fifty cents to the city coffers.  He was thoroughly honest and kept impeccable books, which is why the city kept him on the payroll long after he'd grown ancient.

His place was a paradise for stray and abandoned dogs, which he took care of.

This one guy thought he was just a foolish old man, and killed one of his dogs.

Even though he did a whale of a job nearly decapitating the rectal aperture, he got into no trouble at all, suffered no inconvenience.  It was, I guess, a clear-cut case of self-defense, as the other guy had threatened him in the alley (but I of course would not be aware of what was said; others knew, though).

He lived a few more years, and died a peaceful death.  The other guy was handicapped for life, but it wasn't for so long.  Twenty-one at the time of the incident, he drank himself to death before he reached twenty-five.

Despite the presence of primitives in our midst, sometimes there is justice in this world. 

[USA4ME]

HockeyMom

Mom threw me onto the floor of the bus aisle and got on top of me.

<snip>

When I was 10 years old, my Dad tried to strangle my Mom in a drunken fit. He had her on the floor.

This family spent a lot of time on the floor laying on top of each other.  Must be a hockey thing.

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[Kimberly]

This one's got all the DUmp special snowflake categories covered plus is/was a teacher (of course):

Got a lesbian daughter:

HockeyMom(10,030 posts)

My lesbian daughter GETS it. My married, straight daughter DOESN'T
My lesbian daughter KNOWS what it is like to be discriminated against and treated like a second class citizen. Her straight sister doesn't. She hasn't experienced discrimination like her sister, but if these sexist pigs like Rush and Santorum and their religious leaders like Dolan have their way, she WILL. I fought this fight YEARS before she or her sister were born. I am STILL fighting for her lesbian sister to have HER civil rights. Now I have to fight too for my straight daughter and all her straight sisters for their rights? How many times do I have to fight this, ALL ALONE. I will fight, but I want SUPPORT. My dear daughter, just being a straight, MARRIED, female doesn't mean that they will leave YOU alone. Don't dismiss what I fought so hard for you to attain when I was a young woman myself. They WILL discriminate against YOU just as much as your gay sister. You are both FEMALE and that alone will be enough for the sexist, religious MEN to make you too a second class citizen.

Sorry, if I am starting too many threads on this lately, but I am a mother and they are attacking BOTH my children.

Who's also bipolar:

HockeyMom(10,033 posts)

My BiPolar daughter could get a CCW in Florida
She has no felonies. She was never adjucated mentally impaired. She was not involuntarily checked into an institution; that she did all on her own. After 7 years on mood stabilizers, she no longer takes them, or sees a doctor for treatment. The only drugs she has taken in the past 7 years has been for back surgery 2 years ago.

I looked at the Florida questionnaire and the only issue she would have is no gun training, which can be satisfied with an hour gun safety course at a local range. I know they have licensed instructions who will give one hour training that meets that requirement. My husband told me this when he thought I would do it. No, thank you.

Even with this, my daughter might even still be able to take the PO Civil Service Test too. She moved OUT of Florida and back to New York where she not only cannot own a gun, but never could become a PO. When I told her all this, she started laughing. "I think I would rather be in New York, without a gun, where I can at least marry who I want."

She has a major point on that one. Besides, I don't think I want still want her to be anywhere around guns, or be a cop. Better she marries her girlfriend, which Florida WON'T allow.

Plenty 'o gayness

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I (Only child) had a Gay Aunt out of 2 kids. My husband (2nd child) had a Gay Uncle out of 2 kids. I have a gay daughter out of 2 kids. My sister-in-law has 2 gay kids out of 4 kids.

All of us in both families had the same prenatal conditions? Edit: While it may seem at first that this "skipped" a generation, my parents only had me so no conculsions can be drawn from just one birth. My MIL also had a miscarriage, so can we assume this child wouldn't have been gay? Anyway, too many gays in both families to just be put down to "accidents". At the least, the women in both sides of the family may have INHERITED the same "prenatal conditions".

 

And a Republican husband:

HockeyMom(10,030 posts)

So nice watching the debate with my DEMOCRAT daughter and son-in-law
in NY, unlike being in Florida with my Republican husband. We were all commenting, laughing, and blasting Romney on the horse he rode in on, etc. Driving around the land of the 1% in Florida there is nothing but Romney stickers. New York? NOTHING. I have not seen one single political sticker or sign. Foregone conclusion in NY I suppose so no need? Yeah, the "Independents" of Long Island according to that Mitchell woman. I don't think so.

Anyway, I LOVE my home of New York. I don't feel like a fish out of water, in more ways than one, like I do in Florida. I am in OBAMALAND now!!!!!!!!!

She's also one of those du yentas that have a personal story for every news item that come up. Trayvon? Why she taught troubled children and just knows he's innocent. Abortion? Had a fallopian tube pregnacy and just knows repugs would like her to die.

[franksolich]

Even with this, my daughter might even still be able to take the PO Civil Service Test too. She moved OUT of Florida and back to New York where she not only cannot own a gun, but never could become a PO. When I told her all this, she started laughing. "I think I would rather be in New York, without a gun, where I can at least marry who I want."

She has a major point on that one. Besides, I don't think I want still want her to be anywhere around guns, or be a cop. Better she marries her girlfriend, which Florida WON'T allow.

The only problem is, her daughter's probably going to see more guns in New York than in Florida.

And of course, illegally-owned thug guns.

[BattleHymn]

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bluestate10 (7,648 posts)
30. A lot of us have gun violence memories that we will never forget.

Both my parents were sane people, but one day my dad got trunk and got into an argument with my mom, she became enraged and got a 32 caliber pistol that she owned. I was the only child at home. I had never seen them allow a fight to get to the level before. I was 13. I was pleading with my mom to put the gun down and my dad to shut up and back off, that didn't work. My mom put the loaded gun right in the middle of my dad's head. My dad was drunk and full of courage, he dared my mom to pull the trigger, I froze hoping she she would not but she pulled the trigger. The gun didn't go off. My mom was about to pull the trigger again when I jumped between her and my dad and started begging her to stop, she stopped with me between the two of them. I begged her to give me the gun and she did, but then started in hitting my dad with her fists. I had the gun, but was so shaken that I couldn't immediately stop them from hitting each other, but managed to gain enough presence to hide the gun behind a nearby tree and go stop them from fighting my pulling my small framed mom away and holding on to her. My drunk dad jumped into his truck and left. My mom calmed down. Once the danger was past, I checked the gun and found that it was fully loaded and the safety was off. The gun had failed to fire. My parents never fought like that again. I have thought about those minutes almost every day since. I don't understand why the gun, which I had fired before didn't fire with the barrel in the center of my dad's forehead. To this day, every time I think of those minutes, I have a bolt of fear and horror run through me, I witnessed something that no child should see, things worked out well for me and my parents, but every week, the same type of event ends with one or both parents dead or one headed for prison and children that have their lives ruined.

I am not sure whether gun laws could prevent what I experienced, but I think if people are conditioned to think deeply about why they need a gun and what the dangers of owning a gun are, many people will choose not to own a gun, as I chose to do as an adult.

 

[BattleHymn]

Big deal.  My spouse (who was six at the time), along with her little sister, were shot at by her biological father, when her mother finally left him.  She remembers at least three shots, possibly more, and her mother telling her to get down on the floorboard of the vehicle. 

Today she enjoys shooting skeet, exercising her conceal carry license right, and target shooting.  Once again as in many other circumstances that I won't get into in this post, my spouse made a conscious decision not to be a victim.   


Meanwhile, all of you primitives are busy on yet another thread clamoring over each other, filling the interwebs with flop sweat and bouncies, all in a quest to see which one of you is the biggest victim of all.  What is funny to us looking in on you from outside the ant farm is that the biggest thing you fall victim to is your own ignorance and stupidity, which has a much greater effect on you than any outside circumstances could ever hope to have.     

[Maxiest]

Hockeypuck

NO MORE. We need to end the violence NOW. Screw YOUR 2nd Amendment rights. The rest of us, and especially little children, right to LIFE trumps any rights you may have to your precious guns.

Does it really?  Tell the millions who have been murdered through abortion you bitch.

[thundley4]

Hockeypuck
Does it really?  Tell the millions who have been murdered through abortion you bitch.

Abortion kills more children in a month than have been killed by guns in a year.

[Tucker]

Abortion kills more children in a month than have been killed by guns in a year.

They'll never make the connection.

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