Primitives Celebrate a Law Professor Wishing to Dump the Constitution

[GOP Congress]

DU THREAD: Georgetown law prof: Give up on the constitution? (LINK) Original Post by AlinPA

Yes...let's close out the New Year with a new DUmmie celebration point: Get rid of the US Constituion! Why should we have such a pesky document anyway? DUmmies young and old jon in, anchored at the end by our top two finishers in DOTY, Nads and Ban. Off we go! Wheeee.... OP. AlinPA (Star Member) - Mon Dec 31, 2012 (12:17 pm) Original Post - Post Count: 13,530 Georgetown law prof: Give up on the constitution? Clip: “Our obsession with the Constitution has saddled us with a dysfunctional political system, kept us from debating the merits of divisive issues and inflamed our public discourse. Instead of arguing about what is to be done, we argue about what James Madison might have wanted done 225 years ago.” "This is not to say that we should disobey all constitutional commands. Freedom of speech and religion, equal protection of the laws and protections against governmental deprivation of life, liberty or property are important, whether or not they are in the Constitution. We should continue to follow those requirements out of respect, not obligation." <a (SOURCE LINK) Yes, the pesky Constitution keeps us from creating laws that eliminate those eeeee-vil Reagan Republican conservatives, allows millions of people to own enough firepower to invade Canada (DU sarcasm mode), and of course, don't let us take their property for our abortion clinics, windmill fields and liberal arts yogurt palaces. So let's chuck it! Fairly large campfire, many don't like the idea, but most do. 1. Freddie (Moocher) - Mon Dec 31, 2012 (12:22 pm) Reply to AlinPA (Original post) - Post Count: 1,102 An excellent read, thanks for sharing He's not so much advocating "giving up" on the Constitution as finding ways to improve those things that are impeding progress. Translation: Let's just create our own Communist Manifesto that circumvents the problematic "vote" problems. 25. CTyankee (Star Member) - Mon Dec 31, 2012 (2:03 pm) Reply to DavidDvorkin (#2) - Post Count: 32,356 I don't hearhim saying there should be NO constitution, just not this one as presently constructed. Plenty of modern advanced countries are constitutional democracies, such as many of those in western Europe. Many of them function perfectly well. Better than ours in many respects (e.g. rights of women, sensible gun control). See? See? New Zealand and, and,... and SWITZERLAND (or SWEDEN) do it better!! 3. moman (Moocher) - Mon Dec 31, 2012 (12:23 pm) Reply to AlinPA (Original post) - Post Count: 8 When You Have A Decent Argument? Argue the facts.When you don't ?Argue The Constitution! So you guys must argue the Constitution day in and day out.... didn't think so. 17. Nye Bevan (Star Member) - Mon Dec 31, 2012 (12:56 pm) Reply to randome (#11) - Post Count: 8,955 And what if we have a Republican President, House and Senate, who pass a law extending their terms to 20 years, establish Christianity as the official national religion, mandate Christian prayer in all schools, ban all abortions without exception and make it illegal to criticize any Government official? Would that be "doing fine without the Constitution"? Well, we HAVE had a Democratic president, house and senate...and came up with the most anti-constitional laws in US history starting with Obamacare! And last I heard, YOU guys are the ones trying to make it illegal to critizice government officials. 13. Cali_Democrat (Moocher) - Mon Dec 31, 2012 (12:47 pm) Reply to AlinPA (Original post) - Post Count: 13,346 The US is becoming a failed state thanks to GOPer obstruction The Constitution is overrated. Yes, those pesky GOP'ers. I wonder what Nads or Ban has to say about that... 34. Coyote_Tan (Moocher) - Mon Dec 31, 2012 (4:44 pm) Reply to Bake (#27) - Post Count: 71 What's the old line? You have to have gone to college to say something that stupid... YOU aren't Ban...move along... 39. nadinbrzezinski (Moocher) - Mon Dec 31, 2012 (8:38 pm) Reply to AlinPA (Original post) - Post Count: 114,358 Bloody time!!! YES! Nads checks in from her snowbound trip in Julian, or Mexicali, or somewhere in the Tecata Divide east of San Diego. Two words...such prose! That's why that online county rag pays her the big bucks pennies... 40. BanTheGOP (Star Member) - Mon Dec 31, 2012 (8:40 pm) Reply to AlinPA (Original post) - Post Count: 991 I agree 100%: The US Constitution needs to be abolished in its present form What we MUST do is to retain the progressive, individual rights aspects of the constitution, remove the unnecessary elements such as the alcohol amendments (counterweight), slavery amendments (obsolete and redundant), consolidate the federal government officeholder elements,  and finally, introduce items such as mandatory environmental statutes, anti-corporate statutes, taxation and wealth limitation statutes, and finally, an ability to easily adapt itself into a global constitution that can be a part of other countries' self-governing documents. To this end, why the hell do we need to follow the edict of old white slave owners? The constitution should be a living, breathing document that caters to our progressive movement while denying the capitalist, repressive agenda of the republicanistas. Relax, Maurice. You won. You don't need to embellish what everyone else is thinking already. But go ahead and floviate, we don't mind. Get rid of the US Constitution? Fine and dandy... just try it while we are exercising our 2nd Amendment rights which, incididentally, I plan on retaining long after you remove it... keep that in mind, slugs. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022103262

[dandi]

There's already a process in place to change the Constitution if you think it can be improved.

Why do I get the feeling that the DUmbasses would like something a little more "expedient" done to be able to impose their will rather than wait on something as quaint and outdated as "the will of the people"?

 

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Something funny happened on the way to tyranny

 Written By: Bob - Dec• 31•12

I dropped my car off this morning at my mechanic’s, as the clutch appeared to be on its last legs. Being a beautiful morning in the mid-40s, I decided to walk home, and soak in some of the small-town downtown ambiance along the way. The sleepy antique stores were not seeing much business, and I nodded to the painting crew who was outlining the wooden window frames of the bakery in brilliant blue paint as I passed by.
 
Most of the downtown shops, in fact, weren’t doing much business except the two gun stores. I’d been in one several days ago to pick a .22LR for an article I’d be writing for Shooting Illustrated, and decided to stop in at the other to see what the current political environment had left behind.
 
There were no less than six clerks working feverishly with the dozen or so customers, so I simply stepped to the side and walked the aisles. The cases of ammunition that typically lined the far wall were picked to pieces. There was a 100-round case of .50 BMG, and cases of European shotshells suitable for small game. The .223 Remington, 5.56 NATO, 7.62×39, 7.62 NATO, and 7.62x54R had sold out long ago, along with the bulk 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP.
 
A few pump shotguns remained along with a smattering of deer rifles, single-shots, and longer double-barreled shotguns suitable only for trap or skeet. Even the semi-automatic .22LR rifles like Ruger 10/22s were gone, along with all but one BX-25 magazine.
 
The customers in the shop were picking through what remained; lever-action rifles, oddball shotguns, and the smattering of name-brand centerfire pistols. One man was attempting to trade in an antique double-barrel shotgun for something more current.
 
I did speak to one harried clerk, briefly.
 
They didn’t know when they’d be getting anything back in stock, from magazines to rifles to pistols. Manufacturers were running full-bore, but couldn’t come close to keeping up with market demand.It wasn’t just the AR-15s, the AK-pattern rifles, the M1As, and the FALs that were sold out. It really hit me when I realized that the World War-era M1 Garands , M1 carbines, and Enfield .303s were gone, along with every last shell. Ubiquitous Mosin-Nagants—of which every gun store always seems to have 10-20—were gone. So was their ammo. Only a dust free space marked their passing. I’ve never seen anything like it.
 
Every weapon of military utility designed within the past 100+ years was gone. This isn’t a society stocking up on certain guns because they fear they may be banned. This is a society preparing for war.
 
I wonder if this is what it felt like during the time of the Powder Alarm, and fear politicians both sides of the aisle are no more speaking the same language as most Americans as Gage was unable to think like the Colonials. There is an earnestness now on both sides, and a great chance for unintended consequences.
 
Tread carefully.

http://www.bob-owens.com/2012/12/something-funny-happened-on-the-way-to-the-tyranny/

[NHSparky]

Every weapon of military utility designed within the past 100+ years was gone. This isn’t a society stocking up on certain guns because they fear they may be banned. This is a society preparing for war.

Si vis pacem, para bellum, mother****ers.

[BEG]

There's already a process in place to change the Constitution if you think it can be improved.

Why do I get the feeling that the DUmbasses would like something a little more "expedient" done to be able to impose their will rather than wait on something as quaint and outdated as "the will of the people"?

 

I was watching H2 last night, it was all about Nazi's and Hitler.  All I could think about was DUmmies and Obama.  I swear Hitler rallies and Obama rallies looked and sounded exactly the same.  It was friggen scary. 

[T-Monay820]

I don't know how you "study" the Constitution for 40 years and not understand the reasons for the existence of separation of powers as delineated in the Constitution. Yes, eliminating checks and balances in the system would expedite the process of legislating and governing. But say I want to combine that with the fact that I no longer wish to "respect" my political opponents free speech, and round them up with my expanded command in chief powers. I mean, all it is is just a quaint, antiquated piece of paper.

[NHSparky]

I don't know how you "study" the Constitution for 40 years and not understand the reasons for the existence of separation of powers as delineated in the Constitution. Yes, eliminating checks and balances in the system would expedite the process of legislating and governing. But say I want to combine that with the fact that I no longer wish to "respect" my political opponents free speech, and round them up with my expanded command in chief powers. I mean, all it is is just a quaint, antiquated piece of paper.

That's just it--they KNOW that were it not for the Constitution we'd have been a dictatorship long ago.

To them, the Constitution isn't just a piece of paper, it's their one and only impediment to unlimited power.

[T-Monay820]

That's just it--they KNOW that were it not for the Constitution we'd have been a dictatorship long ago.

To them, the Constitution isn't just a piece of paper, it's their one and only impediment to unlimited power.

Their responses are symbolic of public educations failures. We are not teaching people about the Constitution, its history, its purpose, and how it works. Mainly because we some how came to the conclusion that art class was somehow more important, or Asian history. We need to pass a law solving X problem! Its unconstitutional?! The Constitution is broken! The system is broken! Amendments would take too long! We can't wait!

[NHSparky]

Their responses are symbolic of public educations failures. We are not teaching people about the Constitution, its history, its purpose, and how it works. Mainly because we some how came to the conclusion that art class was somehow more important, or Asian history. We need to pass a law solving X problem! Its unconstitutional?! The Constitution is broken! The system is broken! Amendments would take too long! We can't wait!

And yet these supposedly "smrat" people don't realize that there's a REASON why they don't get their dose of instant gratification.

[BEG]

And yet these supposedly "smrat" people don't realize that there's a REASON why they don't get their dose of instant gratification.

The left never thinks past that "oh what a great idea" feeling.  They never think of consequences.  

Explains why my 51 year old brother quit high school with less than 6 months left, hasn't looked for a job in over a year, been living with my dad for well over 10 years, went to college several years back and is never going to use his degree (has a nice chunk of debt from that and will never be able to pay it off) and blew all his money (actually not his money, it was credit cards) gambling.  

The "win" that was going to "fix it all" was going to be his next pull of the slot machine lever. He is in debt up to his eyeballs even though he filed bankruptcy about 7 years ago on his CC debt.  Still gambling, unemployed and still not using his degree (and never will).  

[98ZJUSMC]

OP. AlinPA (Star Member) - Mon Dec 31, 2012 (12:17 pm)
Original Post - Post Count: 13,530

Georgetown law prof: Give up on the constitution?

Clip: “Our obsession with the Constitution has saddled us with a dysfunctional political system, kept us from debating the merits of divisive issues and inflamed our public discourse. Instead of arguing about what is to be done, we argue about what James Madison might have wanted done 225 years ago.”

If by dysfunctional you mean kept the wolf away from the door, it is the most prescient, moral document that has ever existed.  Notice, idiot, I did not say perfect.  Hint:  There is no such thing, nor will there ever be.

Wrong, rockhead.  It has nothing to do with what James Madison wanted to do.  It has everything to do with what they did not want government to do or become.  Buuuut, you Fascist Jrs. just can't help yourselves, can you?  DNA, huh?

The "win" that was going to "fix it all"  

Soooo, common.  I used to pass time playing those video slots in the bars.  That mind set almost always sets in.  I've watched ladies piss away homes and marriages and friends dump $600-$700 a night - that they could not afford - in those things.  I don't even want to think about how much I pissed away in those things.   I could probably outfit a company sized element with M-4's.

Good riddance, to them.

[T-Monay820]

The left never thinks past that "oh what a great idea" feeling.  They never think of consequences.  

Explains why my 51 year old brother quit high school with less than 6 months left, hasn't looked for a job in over a year, been living with my dad for well over 10 years, went to college several years back and is never going to use his degree (has a nice chunk of debt from that and will never be able to pay it off) and blew all his money (actually not his money, it was credit cards) gambling.  

The "win" that was going to "fix it all" was going to be his next pull of the slot machine lever. He is in debt up to his eyeballs even though he filed bankruptcy about 7 years ago on his CC debt.  Still gambling, unemployed and still not using his degree (and never will).  

[Rebel]

40. BanTheGOP (Star Member) - Mon Dec 31, 2012 (8:40 pm)


I agree 100%: The US Constitution needs to be abolished in its present form

What we MUST do is to retain the progressive, individual rights aspects of the constitution, remove the unnecessary elements such as the alcohol amendments (counterweight), slavery amendments (obsolete and redundant), consolidate the federal government officeholder elements,  and finally, introduce items such as mandatory environmental statutes, anti-corporate statutes, taxation and wealth limitation statutes, and finally, an ability to easily adapt itself into a global constitution that can be a part of other countries' self-governing documents. To this end, why the hell do we need to follow the edict of old white slave owners? The constitution should be a living, breathing document that caters to our progressive movement while denying the capitalist, repressive agenda of the republicanistas.

Ban, Ban, Ban, you ignorant slut. People like you are why I maintain an arsenal.

[Rebel]

BTW:

40. BanTheGOP (Star Member) - Mon Dec 31, 2012 (8:40 pm)

What we MUST do is to retain the progressive, individual rights aspects of the constitution, remove the unnecessary elements such as the alcohol amendments (counterweight), slavery amendments (obsolete and redundant), consolidate the federal government officeholder elements,  and finally, introduce items such as mandatory environmental statutes, anti-corporate statutes, taxation and wealth limitation statutes,

Let's do this. Cap it at 750K. You'll see Hollyweird and all these idiot liberal trial lawyas, lobbyists, and thug union bosses turn right in 2 f'n nanoseconds.

[Big Dog]

40. BanTheGOP (Star Member) - Mon Dec 31, 2012 (8:40 pm)

What we MUST do is to retain the progressive, individual rights aspects of the constitution, remove the unnecessary elements such as the alcohol amendments (counterweight), slavery amendments (obsolete and redundant), consolidate the federal government officeholder elements,  and finally, introduce items such as mandatory environmental statutes, anti-corporate statutes, taxation and wealth limitation statutes,

Oh, I like this game.

What is the first thing that would disappear if the Constitution was abolished? The Federal Government. Without a constitution, there would be no legal authority, no budgetary authority, and no authority to tax. All treaties would be nullified, including the treaties with Indian tribes. Without a Federal government, the states would be sovereign. Welcome to "That continent with 49 countries, Canada and Mexico", at least for a week or so. Then, welcome to "That continent with several trade federations, Canada, Mexico, and some starving Democrat shitholes."

One more note: DUmmy Ban the GOP wants to remove the "slavery amendments", making slavery lawful again. Why does he hate Negroes and 13 year old girls? I guess he doesn't realize that he can still wear the gimp mask if slavery is unconstitutional.

He also wants to "consolidate federal government officeholder elements", which translates to "create an all-powerful dictator for life". Checks and balances are for bijjes, ain't they?

It's clear to all who have eyes that Le Grande DUmmy Ban the GOP wants to create another Somalia. It's a good thing the Founding Fathers anticipated ****wits like DOTY Ban the GOP:

Article VI: The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution;  (emphasis added)