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Offline formerlurker

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Nads is a combat vet who disobeyed orders.....
« on: December 31, 2012, 01:43:23 PM »
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10. Wow, the sad part s that vets

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Don't go on and n about their service.

They woud like those services promised to be kept though. That seems like too much.

Perhaps you'd be happier if we had a second march on Washington from destitute vets.

I mean, they did not have the good sense to die.


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25. Funny, the vets I know

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All they want is their va to be left alone, and Tricare.

They are also among the most jaded people you'll ever not meet, and quite anti war.

But hey, I guess it/ time to not fulfill that and wait for another march on DC.

Yes, we have an empire problem...take it with the political class that right now wants to take these services away.





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32. Ah, rear echelon personnel

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That explains it.

The ones I know are all combat vets. They are all, to a man ( and a few women, Iraq) all for single payor healthcare.

There is a rule of thumb, the farthest from the actual front lines, the more gung ho people tend to be.

My luck is that I am married to a combat vet, my BIL is a combat vet, I am, from somewhere else, and the ones at Veterans for Peace I know are combat vets. I also know a SEAL from Nam, that makes the rest look like cheery people really.

It s a matter of luck, I admit.

Do tell what combat her husband saw?   Anyone know?



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21. Good question. Please allow me to answer.

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As far as I know, "supporting the troops" is to keep our military so threatening, so dangerous, so forceful, so that no one out there would even THINK of launching an attack against us.

This is what is meant by "defending your freedoms," even though no war has protected American borders since the war of 1812.

This means, you support every war we have had since.

Now, I can understand a few. World War II was pretty necesarry - of course 99% of this can be blamed on the lack of support for Wilson's "League of Nations" but I get it.

And Korea, well, hell, we created that mess, so we should have fixed it.

But every other war has been furthering our FINANCIAL interests, not our freedoms.

If you think they have, then - well I have nothing more to say to you.

If you want to argue a specific incident, I'm willing.

And despite what YOU think of ME, I am not your enemy.

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27. An officer can always refuse orders. There may be consequences, but they can always refuse. nt

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34. You know, it s easy to say people can disobey orders

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I did...it was clearly illegal.

But it is cavalier to ask, or demand when you have never served in any military. The consequences could have included a firing squad.

But I agree with Sarisaka, since civilians control the US military, you really want to stop the machine, look in the mirror.

Oh and my dear, through your representatives you have sent others to war.

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Re: Nads is a combat vet who disobeyed orders.....
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2012, 01:52:43 PM »
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My luck is that I am married to a combat vet, my BIL is a combat vet, I am, from somewhere else, and the ones at Veterans for Peace I know are combat vets. I also know a SEAL from Nam, that makes the rest look like cheery people really.

It s a matter of luck, I admit.


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Re: Nads is a combat vet who disobeyed orders.....
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2012, 01:53:02 PM »
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34. You know, it s easy to say people can disobey orders

I did...it was clearly illegal.

Someone must have ordered her to wash her hair or cover her face or something like that.

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Re: Nads is a combat vet who disobeyed orders.....
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2012, 01:54:50 PM »
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This is what is meant by "defending your freedoms," even though no war has protected American borders since the war of 1812.

Wait.....what year did Pearl Harbor happen? I know, Hawaii wasn't a state yet, but it was still protecting our borders, by making sure the Japanese didn't try it again.

And after 9/11, wasn't that making sure it didn't happen again, and protecting our borders. We thwarted attacks on our soil.
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Re: Nads is a combat vet who disobeyed orders.....
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2012, 01:55:05 PM »
BTW, there are 3 orders you can disobey that can be excused in a courts-martial, at least, you hope. An order that is A) illegal, B) immoral, or C) causes unnecessary harm, I.e. you can't be ordered to jump on a grenade.  It's all gray as hell though.
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Re: Nads is a combat vet who disobeyed orders.....
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2012, 02:08:01 PM »
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34. You know, it s easy to say people can disobey orders

But it is cavalier to ask, or demand when you have never served in any military.

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Re: Nads is a combat vet who disobeyed orders.....
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2012, 02:12:34 PM »
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BTW, there are 3 orders you can disobey that can be excused in a courts-martial, at least, you hope. An order that is A) illegal, B) immoral, or C) causes unnecessary harm, I.e. you can't be ordered to jump on a grenade.  It's all gray as hell though.

I've heard several variations of that in my career - most commonly "Illegal, immoral, or unethical," "Illegal, immoral, or fattening," and "Illegal, immoral, or sounds like it might actually be fun."

Nads' hubby a combat vet, do tell...does that mean his sub cruised through a hostile fire pay zone once?
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Re: Nads is a combat vet who disobeyed orders.....
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2012, 02:14:22 PM »
That book that GOPCongress made, as shown in the award thread, was genius!  He'll have to make it 10,002 now.
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Re: Nads is a combat vet who disobeyed orders.....
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2012, 03:12:29 PM »
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My luck is that I am married to a combat vet, my BIL is a combat vet, I am, from somewhere else, and the ones at Veterans for Peace I know are combat vets. I also know a SEAL from Nam, that makes the rest look like cheery people really.

She knows TiT?
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Re: Nads is a combat vet who disobeyed orders.....
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2012, 03:17:04 PM »
What the Hell is the primitive with the eggplant-shaped head (Taverner) talking about here?

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And Korea, well, hell, we created that mess, so we should have fixed it.

Maybe I've read the history books wrong, but for some reason I was under the impression that the socialists started it, by invading South Korea.
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Re: Nads is a combat vet who disobeyed orders.....
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2012, 03:28:32 PM »
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That explains it.

The ones I know are all combat vets. They are all, to a man ( and a few women, Iraq) all for single payor healthcare.

There is a rule of thumb, the farthest from the actual front lines, the more gung ho people tend to be.

My luck is that I am married to a combat vet, my BIL is a combat vet, I am, from somewhere else, and the ones at Veterans for Peace I know are combat vets. I also know a SEAL from Nam, that makes the rest look like cheery people really.

It s a matter of luck, I admit.

Do tell what combat her husband saw?   Anyone know?


He married nads and presumably had relations with her at some point. I think that would qualify as hazardous duty... maybe even combat.   :-)
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Re: Nads is a combat vet who disobeyed orders.....
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2012, 03:35:03 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on December 31, 2012, 02:12:34 PM
I've heard several variations of that in my career - most commonly "Illegal, immoral, or unethical," "Illegal, immoral, or fattening," and "Illegal, immoral, or sounds like it might actually be fun."

Nads' hubby a combat vet, do tell...does that mean his sub cruised through a hostile fire pay zone once?

Only if he was the CO of the Seaquest or the USSRN Seaview and in Television. And the only combat Gnads has seen was also on TV
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Re: Nads is a combat vet who disobeyed orders.....
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2012, 03:42:10 PM »
Quote from: I_B_Perky on December 31, 2012, 03:28:32 PM
Do tell what combat her husband saw?   Anyone know?



He married nads and presumably had relations with her at some point. I think that would qualify as hazardous duty... maybe even combat.   :-)

God knows you would probably need a gas mask.  :puke:
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Re: Nads is a combat vet who disobeyed orders.....
« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2012, 03:57:51 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on December 31, 2012, 02:12:34 PM
I've heard several variations of that in my career - most commonly "Illegal, immoral, or unethical," "Illegal, immoral, or fattening," and "Illegal, immoral, or sounds like it might actually be fun."

Nads' hubby a combat vet, do tell...does that mean his sub cruised through a hostile fire pay zone once?

Hand to hand combat on the mess decks when they ran out of ice cream.   :-)
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Re: Nads is a combat vet who disobeyed orders.....
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2012, 03:59:44 PM »
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Wait.....what year did Pearl Harbor happen? I know, Hawaii wasn't a state yet, but it was still protecting our borders, by making sure the Japanese didn't try it again.

And after 9/11, wasn't that making sure it didn't happen again, and protecting our borders. We thwarted attacks on our soil.


Wow Nads conveniently forgot about the First World War. Grandpa was stationed in Deming NM. and from the pix he brought home seems he was there to keep some guy named Poncho out of America.   He carried for life some shot under his skin on his neck that as a kid I would play with--move it about from side to side.  

Forgotten my history, who was Maximilian in this mess ????

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Re: Nads is a combat vet who disobeyed orders.....
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2012, 04:22:53 PM »
I was curious about her husband's service, so I did some dumpster diving and came across this:

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11. I got to treat a couple of those darn cute boys in TJ
   
what they were doing down there, among them browns? I let the police handle that one. Lets just say it had a smidgen to do with the drug trade.

They were SO HAPPY there was a white one in the crew, I mean the Negro and the brown back in the crew... I mean the horror... they were from East San Diego County...

As I said, the police dealt with the reasons they were down there... they did not like them cops. They insisted they were US Citizens, well until them rap sheets were run, and not only did they have to answer to the local cops, the state police and the Federales but also the FBI... they were wanted for some ahem hate crimes.

Oh and I did mention to them that I might have been white, but I was born and raised in Mexico City (the accent and last name they thought it was Eastern Europe) and that I was Jewish.

Oh they wanted to crawl out of their skins... they had IVs started by a Jew... I tell you that was pure torture for these two boys... that was worst than the black guy or the Mexican... it was almost like throwing acid. Of course the FBI agent, sent by the Consulate, did not appreciate that... his last name was Marcowitz... you guessed it. The two Federal Agents were just confused by the reaction. I mean it is bad when ... they'd rather deal with the Federal Police.

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She really does believe the stuff she posts doesn't she?
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Re: Nads is a combat vet who disobeyed orders.....
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14. My husband is in the navy
   
Edited on Tue Oct-21-03 06:17 PM by nadinbrzezinski
as I have stated before, he sat there shocked, not because
of what he said, but becuase the man was engaging in
politics WHILE IN UNIFORM.

I think you really have no idea what I am talking about, and
for the record, if my husband said the same thing, just replace
Jewsish for Christian, he would be drummed out of the service,
for violating the UCMJ....

Again, at least those of us with connections with the military, this is not a gray issue or freedom of speech, but a UCMJ issue and this one is pretty clear cut

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Re: Nads is a combat vet who disobeyed orders.....
« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2012, 04:29:40 PM »
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore    Mon Aug-02-04 03:31 PM
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13. When my husband left the Naval service
   
about six months ago, the crew of his boat was no longer in
Bush's pocket. (And that assumes they ever were truly in their pocket)

Here are some of the things that they lived though.

They needed to be replenished at sea, (food and other stuff) and everything, from toilet paper to flour was replaced for Lima Beans

When they got to Bahrain for emergency repairs, which they could not do, they fed the local troops who were limited to three MREs, here is the game KBR was playing, you are gonna eat yoru hot meal at 12:00, you mean you are on watch? Too bad, you can't make it, here is your MRE... realize MREs are 3 dollars a meal, the hot measl are seven bucks, see the "savings" for Halliburton?

The troops on guard were so hungry that they had more people pulling duty than they knew what to do because they were hungry.

Oh did I mention we shipped soap, toiletries and toilet paper to the theater because you could not find that in theater?

So they will not overtly tell you what they think of Bush, but in November, most of those sailors and officers will vote Democrat.

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10. I'd better correct you
   
my hubby just retired from the USN, after 20 in.

(Yep all duckies were in a row or he would have been extended, I am possitive of it)

Amazing at it may sound, he has been shot at... and he still wakes up at night due to them nightmares. Free hint he is not a seal.

So don't generalize, and by the way... the Navy is also fed up with Baby Bush's dreams of world conquest...

He was shot at?  on a submarine?

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12. Some of the upper ranks in that sense you are correct
   
mostly because Bush never went after Boykin, and he should have been forced out. So people like Boykin will have to be forced out. But there are good officers even at the upper ranks who are doing the best they can.

By the way when Shalishkavilli said in the convention that we are on our way to a hollow army, he was talking the theme I have been hearing for over two years from those in... after hubby retired I lost my ability to hear these things, but I know Shalishkasvilli was talking for those folks.... who hate what Bush has done to the Armed Forces.

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Re: Nads is a combat vet who disobeyed orders.....
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2012, 04:33:46 PM »
Oh God.

I thought she'd gotten progressively nuts, but apparently she's always been as delusional as she is now.
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Re: Nads is a combat vet who disobeyed orders.....
« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2012, 04:35:09 PM »
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4. Hubby took a USN sub across the pacific using just
   
Charts and a sextant.

These new fangled devices are a nice backup.

:hi:

Yes he is old school that way. Very much a dying breed in the modern nuclear navy if you ask me.

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Uh.....  :lmao:

I just can't.........     :rotf:


Don't you need to actually see the stars when using a sextant?    

AHAHAHAHAHA.    


Stop.  Please. Make. It. Stop.

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Re: Nads is a combat vet who disobeyed orders.....
« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2012, 04:43:18 PM »
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Uh.....  :lmao:

I just can't.........     :rotf:


Don't you need to actually see the stars when using a sextant?    

AHAHAHAHAHA.    


Stop.  Please. Make. It. Stop.



Maybe he could see them through the sub's screen door.
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Re: Nads is a combat vet who disobeyed orders.....
« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2012, 04:47:38 PM »
Quote from: vesta111 on December 31, 2012, 03:59:44 PM

Forgotten my history, who was Maximilian in this mess ????


Max was a couple of generations earlier than Pancho.  Nadin 'Camerone Day' for a truly stirring tale.
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Re: Nads is a combat vet who disobeyed orders.....
« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2012, 05:28:58 PM »
Quote from: franksolich on December 31, 2012, 04:33:46 PM
Oh God.

I thought she'd gotten progressively nuts, but apparently she's always been as delusional as she is now.

It appears that way, how was she overlooked for DOTY for so long?
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Re: Nads is a combat vet who disobeyed orders.....
« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2012, 05:49:19 PM »
oh dear...

What kind of brain makes up this kind of stuff?
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Re: Nads is a combat vet who disobeyed orders.....
« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2012, 05:59:45 PM »
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My luck is that I am married to a combat vet, my BIL is a combat vet, I am, from somewhere else, and the ones at Veterans for Peace I know are combat vets. I also know a SEAL from Nam, that makes the rest look like cheery people really.
She's already forgotten the retired sub captain who shared canned milk with her when the TEPCO radiation showered down on San Diego.


And now, the addled Mr. nadin, a non-commissioned officer, ordered an American nuclear submarine to travel across the Pacific on the surface, so he could plot a course with a sextant. Maybe that's why they got shot at. (On a nuclear sub, even when surfaced, would an addled non-comm like Mr. nadin have access to the conning tower? Or maybe his station on the boat had a window.)
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