DUmpmonkiez want the junkies out of prison to make room for gun owners

[Tucker]

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DisgustipatedinCA (4,793 posts)

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We can enforce any gun law we decide to pass, you know.
As many others have noticed, there's a new cottage industry that's sprung up in recent days that concerns itself with trying to convince us that tighter gun regulations wouldn't be enforceable. What a load of nonsense.

Pick a proposed gun regulation, any that strikes your fancy. An example could range from 6-shot maximum clips, as some here have suggested, all the way up to a total ban on firearms. The obvious trick is getting a bill past the treasonous members of Congress, but if can be done, the law could certainly be enforced. In the maximum-clip-of-6 example, a grace period to turn in guns could be granted, a year or two or three. You could do a gun buyback (but since your clientele would be largely Republican, just let them write off the loss in their taxes--they freaking love tax breaks). After the grace period, anyone caught with weapon that holds too many bullets would be subject to a mandatory minimum 20 years in federal prison, no judicial oversight possible. Hell, they do this with 3-strikes laws, and judges have sent plenty of 3rd-strike-candy-bar thieves to prison for the rest of their lives, with no parole. Based on that alone, I don't see how my remedy could be considered cruel and unusual. After all, I'm only trying to get rid of criminals who break gun laws in order to prevent more of our children from being slaughtered. So yes, the penalty is stiff, and it should be.

Part 2 of the law: if you're caught committing a crime with your illegal gun, you go away for ever, again with no parole. Commit a crime with your gun, and you're gone from this society forever. No tolerance, etc. This law would be color-blind, and it would be, uh...socio-economic blind. Poor inner-city gangbanger, rich old 1%, doesn't matter. Commit a crime with a gun, and you're gone forever.

Again, this could apply to any gun legislation you care to come up with. Wrap some more laws around the guns that are killing our children, and make the enforcement piece something no one ever wants to encounter.

I'd welcome input, especially from the pro-gunners.

Just another DUmmy that wants to be taken seriously when he doesn't know the difference between a clip and a magazine.

pnwmom (41,495 posts)
1. But you wouldn't have space for all those new criminals

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unless you released all the people there on simple drug possession.

Only in a drug contaminated mind would someone suggest letting a felon out of prison to free up space for a law abiding, decent and civilized person.

DisgustipatedinCA (4,793 posts)
2. excellent point

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We'll have to let those nonviolent dope smokers go. And as far as that goes, I would guess that after several high-profile cases, people would get the idea that their collector's piece just wasn't worth the penalty.

How many non violent dope smokers have been executed in the slum country to the south of the United States this year?

Politicalboi (8,591 posts)
3. Then you open up those privately owned prisons

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You know the ones, the ones where the Repukes didn't mind a private take over of our prison system. They'll be the ones filling them.

hack89 (17,740 posts)
6. Why are you assuming that elected red state police, prosecutors and judges

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will enforce such laws? What then - martial law to search house to house?

FYI. There are 30 Republican Governors actively serving in the US.

 

DisgustipatedinCA (4,793 posts)
7. In my mind's eye, this would be federal law

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And of course, there aren't nearly enough federal agents to broadly enforce this law. But that's no different than any other federal law. I believe the Justice Department is in the habit of choosing high-profile cases to go after to "send a message". There would surely be people who hid their guns in very deep hiding places, but the very act of hiding them puts them out of commission.

For the record, please note that you suggest martial law. I never did. It wouldn't be necessary.

[Mr Mannn]

DUmmies really want this. to imprison their political enemies. They want it so bad, they can taste it.
its so close. Obama just has to go Hugo just for a bit.
Harry Belefonte wants to imprison republicans. He advised Obama to do just that.

The fascists are coming out and beginning to speak freely. They really want a bloody purge.

They have no idea what they are going to get.

[Duke Nukum]

Why don't they simply pass laws against all productive, well-balanced citizens, enforce those, and live with the consequences?

[NHSparky]

You can enforce it, DUmmies?

You and what ****ing army?

[thundley4]

Part 2 of the law: if you're caught committing a crime with your illegal gun, you go away for ever, again with no parole. Commit a crime with your gun, and you're gone from this society forever. No tolerance, etc. This law would be color-blind, and it would be, uh...socio-economic blind. Poor inner-city gangbanger, rich old 1%, doesn't matter. Commit a crime with a gun, and you're gone forever.

Let's just make that the law now.  Commit a crime using a gun, and it's life in prison.  Commit a crime that results in the death of another person, and you get the death penalty.

No need for new restrictions on guns or lawful gun owners. Just make the restrictions on criminals.

[Delmar]

Let's just make that the law now.  Commit a crime using a gun, and it's life in prison.  Commit a crime that results in the death of another person, and you get the death penalty.

No need for new restrictions on guns or lawful gun owners. Just make the restrictions on criminals.

Good idea!  We could call it the Mumia Abu-Jamal law  Choke on that, DUmmies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumia_Abu-Jamal

[Tucker]

Let's just make that the law now.  Commit a crime using a gun, and it's life in prison.  Commit a crime that results in the death of another person, and you get the death penalty.

No need for new restrictions on guns or lawful gun owners. Just make the restrictions on criminals.

Melanie would have all kinds of new pen pals.

[USA4ME]

This is so stupid.  There's a few issues in this country where mainstream Republicans and Democrats agree and one of those issues is the RKBA.  Just as their own board demonstrates, there's RKBA's on the island and they aren't going to budge, and that's a far left wing pol board.  In the general public, it's just not going to happen.  Now that's no reason to let our guard down on the topic, but these fools are beyond delusional if they believe this incident is going to change anything.

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[GOBUCKS]

Commit a crime using a gun, and it's life in prison.  Commit a crime that results in the death of another person, and you get the death penalty.

I doubt many here would disagree with that.

The only problem is that most of the lives saved would be those of gangbangers.

[Maxiest]

DUmmies really want this. to imprison their political enemies. They want it so bad, they can taste it.
its so close. Obama just has to go Hugo just for a bit.
Harry Belefonte wants to imprison republicans. He advised Obama to do just that.

The fascists are coming out and beginning to speak freely. They really want a bloody purge.

They have no idea what they are going to get.

Oh they would get a bloody purge, to bad it's not the one they have in mind.

[thundley4]

I doubt many here would disagree with that.

The only problem is that most of the lives saved would be those of gangbangers.

There are still lots of innocent bystanders killed by the gangbangers though.

[tac]

DisgustipatedinCA (4,793 posts)

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We can enforce any gun law we decide to pass, you know.
As many others have noticed, there's a new cottage industry that's sprung up in recent days that concerns itself with trying to convince us that tighter gun regulations wouldn't be enforceable. What a load of nonsense.

Pick a proposed gun regulation, any that strikes your fancy. An example could range from 6-shot maximum clips, as some here have suggested, all the way up to a total ban on firearms. The obvious trick is getting a bill past the treasonous members of Congress, but if can be done, the law could certainly be enforced. In the maximum-clip-of-6 example, a grace period to turn in guns could be granted, a year or two or three. You could do a gun buyback (but since your clientele would be largely Republican, just let them write off the loss in their taxes--they freaking love tax breaks). After the grace period, anyone caught with weapon that holds too many bullets would be subject to a mandatory minimum 20 years in federal prison, no judicial oversight possible. Hell, they do this with 3-strikes laws, and judges have sent plenty of 3rd-strike-candy-bar thieves to prison for the rest of their lives, with no parole. Based on that alone, I don't see how my remedy could be considered cruel and unusual. After all, I'm only trying to get rid of criminals who break gun laws in order to prevent more of our children from being slaughtered. So yes, the penalty is stiff, and it should be.

Part 2 of the law: if you're caught committing a crime with your illegal gun, you go away for ever, again with no parole. Commit a crime with your gun, and you're gone from this society forever. No tolerance, etc. This law would be color-blind, and it would be, uh...socio-economic blind. Poor inner-city gangbanger, rich old 1%, doesn't matter. Commit a crime with a gun, and you're gone forever.

Again, this could apply to any gun legislation you care to come up with. Wrap some more laws around the guns that are killing our children, and make the enforcement piece something no one ever wants to encounter.

I'd welcome input, especially from the pro-gunners.

Here's some input. Start confiscating the guns from all the gangbangers, but be advised to take a lot of body bags - you'll need them. It's not the gun owners that are giving the criminals with guns a pass, it's the liberal courts you jackass. If you want some one to blame, look in the mirror, you elected these assholes not me. 

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

You DUmbasses need this idea like you need another hole in the head.

[Ptarmigan]

Let's just make that the law now.  Commit a crime using a gun, and it's life in prison.  Commit a crime that results in the death of another person, and you get the death penalty.

No need for new restrictions on guns or lawful gun owners. Just make the restrictions on criminals.

Makes perfect sense. Of course to DUmmies they can't grasp it.

[Chris_]

That's not fair to the criminals.

[DefiantSix]

You DUmbasses need this idea like you need another hole in the head.

Sounds like a win-win to me.  They get to try to implement this, and we get to give them their much needed hole in the head. 

[GOP Congress]

Of course, sending any minorities to prison for gun violence for life is, well, just plain racist and can't be tolerated. Only the white NRA wingnuts will do.

I WISH this were sarcasm...

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Of course, sending any minorities to prison for gun violence for life is, well, just plain racist and can't be tolerated. Only the white NRA wingnuts will do.

I WISH this were sarcasm...

They've had their chance to prove their point in Chicago.

[AprilRazz]

Part 2 of the law: if you're caught committing a crime with your illegal gun, you go away for ever, again with no parole.

Yes because the existing laws on the books like this really are a great deterrent.

[Rebel]

Once again, another DUmbass that doesn't understand the reasoning behind the 2nd Amendment. A right that can be amended by the government that right is supposed to protect us from isn't a right at all.

[Tucker]

Once again, another DUmbass that doesn't understand the reasoning behind the 2nd Amendment. A right that can be amendment by the government that right is supposed to protect us from isn't a right at all.

They don't understand that we don't get our rights from the benevolence of the Government. We are born with these rights.