DUmpmonkeys Discuss Gun Control

[GOBUCKS]

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:00 PM
srican69 (157 posts)

**** Gun Control - We need Bullet Control.
Gun control is going to achieve - diddly squat.

Its like locking the barn after the Horse has bolted to **** the mare.

We should control the production and distribution of bullets - we'll have the problem by the scruff.

5 bullets per person ( backed by a national database) at any given time. If you want to restock - bring the used cartridges.


If a person wants 10 bullets - then he has to collude with atleast one other person - that increases the odds of being discovered.

I dont think a person needs more that 5 rounds to defend himself. ( remember - bullets will have widespead artificially induced scarcity- which will also increase their cost in the black market)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022013513#post26
Okay, which one of you pricks is DUmmy sricannumbers?

Response to srican69 (Original post)
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:01 PM
a geek named Bob (2,198 posts)
2. won't stop handloading, nor bullet forging

Forging?
 

srican69 (157 posts)
22. I agree ... a determined whackjob will defeat every single thing we can dream of .. that is why the


final solution will consist of a silver gun shot rather than a silver bullet ( rather unfortunate pun , given the circumstances)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 06:21 PM
bongbong (4,592 posts)
69. Insane?

Reserve that word for people who think they need assault rifles, near-assault rifles, thousands of rounds of ammo, magazines, etc etc etc.

 

Response to srican69 (Original post)
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:16 PM
byeya (1,120 posts)
15. Until we replace one of the RW justices on the Supreme Court, a bullet ban is a good idea.

After a new justice is sworn in, we can go back to 2007 when a town like Morton Grove, IL, was able to ban handguns(1981).

The crazy bald dwarf is a weapons expert, so she chimes in:

Response to srican69 (Original post)
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:35 PM
nadinbrzezinski (113,425 posts)
26. Devils advocate, based in reality

How do you deal with home made bullets?

That said, accidentally you are onto something. Certain classes of ammo should not be available to civilians either.

 

Response to srican69 (Reply #29)
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:46 PM
nadinbrzezinski (113,425 posts)
35. Well on the practical level

1- Close gun show loopholes

2.- Extended background checks.

3.- smart gun technology

4.- No Internet sales

5.- very stringent licensing to ccw holders, including mandatory training and re licensing every three years, and a provable need.

To bullets, there are certain classes of ammo (hollow points for example) that do not belong in civilian hands.

In reality I cannot remove those guns, but a class three license to all current owners (What essentially happened to automatics in 1934) it will make harder to transfer and all that.

 
If civilians don't use hollow points, who will?  And that's just the practical level!

Response to srican69 (Reply #42)
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:55 PM
nadinbrzezinski (113,425 posts)
44. I planted the seed with a congress person

Yesterday as far as smart weapons.

 
She's been lurking! She's thinking about the CalPig's aching seed!

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #35)
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 06:19 PM
llmart (2,978 posts)
67. I like your suggestions.....

with the exception of the first one.

I want the gun shows shut down. All those idiots under one roof with all those weapons is scary.

On second thought, there were a couple incidents here in Michigan at a gun show where one of those idiots picked up a gun and pulled the trigger to "test" it and shot the seller. Sorry, I thought that was instant karma and enjoyed the irony of it.

I'm sure that happened a couple of times in Michigan.

 

Response to llmart (Reply #67)
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 06:25 PM
nadinbrzezinski (113,425 posts)
74. If you only allow dealers

And stop the back of the pickup truck sales, you get background checks.

That is what closing the loophole means.

 

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #26)
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:45 PM
former-republican (1,765 posts)
34. Remember I said you need a gun person to make common sense gun control?

I was called crazy in thread.

Bullets are nothing and round nose lead bullets or wad cutters are easy to cast, I use to cast my own .Also smokeless powder is fairly easy to manufacture with a bit of knowledge.

I thought this was just another DUmpmonkey until he came up with that last sentence. Gotta be a mole.

Response to former-republican (Reply #34)
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:47 PM
nadinbrzezinski (113,425 posts)
38. Oh I know.

She wishes she didn't know all this shit.
 

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 06:09 PM
former-republican (1,765 posts)
59. If the goal is to shoot a lot of rounds for close range

Someone could skip even making smokeless powder and load black powder in a cartridge case.

Even easier to make at home.

Yep, definitely a mole.

Response to srican69 (Reply #54)
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 06:15 PM
 X_Digger (12,229 posts)
64. Rights don't work that way. You don't have to justify exercising them..

.. congress (or a state, or a locality, etc) has to justify why they need to infringe it.

That's black letter law, going back *before* we were founded as a country. Locke, Rousseau, etc (Enlightenment stuff)

Response to aristocles (Reply #30)
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:46 PM
 srican69 (157 posts)
36. I have no clue - how many bullets will an average hunter require to kill a deer or moose

I realize its a stupid question - but the answer should be 10's and not 100's of bullets.

so can we then work out a resonable number of bullets a registered hunter can purchase.

There are no stupid questions. Just stupid people asking them.

Response to srican69 (Original post)
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:55 PM
Missouri Lad (5 posts)
43. Make the bullets so expensive,

that the gun owners will just look at the guns and not use them. The 1st bullet will be $400.00, and each additional bullet will be $100.00 ea. For those that reload the bullets, the gun powder and firing cal will be $1,000.00 per lb. and firing cap is $100.00 ea.
All bullets must be distributed by the Federal Gov.t andstrictk laws for those buying such.

Brilliant!



 

[franksolich]

Oh my.

nadinbrzezinski (113,425 posts)    Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:35 PM

26. Devils advocate, based in reality

How do you deal with home made bullets?

That said, accidentally you are onto something. Certain classes of ammo should not be available to civilians either.

franksolich thinks that police scanners shouldn't be available to civilians either, and most especially not to the crazy bald dwarf, who uses one just out of purient curiosity.

[Chris_]

nadinbrzezinski (113,425 posts)    Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:35 PM

26. That said, accidentally you are onto something. Certain classes of ammo should not be available to civilians either.

If that's what you want, roll your fat ass back to Mehico.

[Airwolf]

So they can take our guns that is protected under the Constitution but yet they want to kill children in the womb because it's their Right?  I don't remember seeing abortions in the Constitution when it was written and the 2nd was and is.

[GOBUCKS]

I'd like to have every DUmmy get hold of a few pounds of nitroglycerine (ouch, that's the first thorny problem) and start cooking up some smokeless powder at home.

After evacuating all the houses in his neighborhood.

[AprilRazz]

Response to srican69 (Reply #42)
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:55 PM
nadinbrzezinski (113,425 posts)
44. I planted the seed with a congress person

Yesterday as far as smart weapons.

Nads you really shouldn't be talking about a smart anything.

[Airwolf]

Gnads is one of many at DU that are not as smart as their own smart phones yet think they are

[GOBUCKS]

nadinbrzezinski (113,425 posts)    Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:35 PM

26. That said, accidentally you are onto something. Certain classes of ammo should not be available to civilians either.

DUmpmonkeys will never get it through their heads that soft-pointed, thin-jacketed civilian hunting ammunition is far more lethal than the FMJ rounds the military is forced to use.

They will never understand that the rounds fired by an AR-15 or an AK-47 are pipsqueaks compared to any of the chamberings commonly used by millions of decent and civilized people for deer hunting.

[delilahmused]

Response to srican69 (Reply #42)
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:55 PM
nadinbrzezinski (113,425 posts)
44. I planted the seed with a congress person

Yesterday as far as smart weapons.

Oh, dear God in Heaven, please tell me she's not a procreating shemale!

Cindie

[DefiantSix]

Response to srican69 (Reply #42)
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:55 PM
nadinbrzezinski (113,425 posts)
44. I planted the seed with a congress person

Yesterday as far as smart weapons.

Oh, dear God in Heaven, please tell me she's not a procreating shemale!

Cindie

Oh, don't worry.  She planted that seed at the laundry mat by the air      port. 

[Big Dog]

Oh, dear God in Heaven, please tell me she's not a procreating shemale!

Cindie

Yes, thanks to




"Ummm, Mrs. Abbott, I think you're doing it wrong."

[Rebel]

nadinbrzezinski (113,425 posts)    Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:35 PM

26. That said, accidentally you are onto something. Certain classes of ammo should not be available to civilians either.

These people are completely ignorant about the reasons FOR the 2nd Amendment. It isn't to hunt, you little fat, bald troll.

[jukin]

This thread brought a general concept that has always been lurking but solidified.

The entire thread has completely ignorant people thinking that they are experts on guns. Of course being completely ignorant people thinking that they are experts, they think they have the best path forward (Dunning-Krueger) when they are completely wrong. This is what is happening in our government at all levels. We have people that know absolutely nothing, or worse believe in the wrong solutions, making policy. Until that changes we as a nation are screwed.

[wasp69]

Response to srican69 (Reply #29)
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:46 PM
nadinbrzezinski (113,425 posts)
35. Well on the practical level

1- Close gun show loopholes

There are no "gun show loopholes", you ignorant ****.  Those who sell at gun shows are subject to the same federal laws as those in a gun shop. 

Repeating this leftist propaganda bullshit does not make you sound smart.

2.- Extended background checks.

To what?  How much power are you wanting to give the government to invade privacy?  I thought you shitbags were against that?   

3.- smart gun technology

And what happens when the recognition device fails?  Who gets to absorb the millions of $$$ in those lawsuits? 

More leftist propaganda that requires no thought.

4.- No Internet sales

Okay, no more internet gun sales.  Once the precedent is set for regulating what can and can't be sold/bought on the internet, what happens when your god government decides that you no longer need to the freedom of choice to buy your containerized milk online?  Or your action figures?  Or your camera equipment?  Or your (fill in the blank)?  Then what, DUmbass? 

Typical, lazy, liberal thoughtlessness that doesn't give a damn about anyone else.

5.- very stringent licensing to ccw holders, including mandatory training and re licensing every three years, and a provable need.

Courts are already shooting this down (giggle) as we speak.  What part of "shall not be infringed" are you failing to understand, "historian"?  The "provable need" is my Constitutionally guaranteed right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness and the means to protect it.  My "provable need" was ratified in 1789; long before you fell onto the pueblo floor, head first, from your mother's womb.

To bullets, there are certain classes of ammo (hollow points for example) that do not belong in civilian hands.

Nothing but pure damn genius from the DUmp's firearms expert right there.  That's right, fellow conservatives, we cretins, the hoi polloi, do not "need" hollow point rounds for self defense.  Nope.  Nads the Great and our savior government has decreed that self defense hollow point rounds (which are less likely to keep traveling through a feral obamaite and hit a civilized person) are just too damned dangerous for us peons to own.  Yep, we need to use military hardball that will go through obinga's sons and take out whomever may be on the other side.

Gee, you would think such an expert would have a ****ing clue before her fat fingers hit the keyboard...   

[jukin]

4.- No Internet sales

I have yet to buy a gun on the internet, always lose the auctions. In every potential deal, the same rules as buying in shop applied. Had to have a background check at the FFL that the gun would be shipped to. I suppose this ignoratn person knows much more than i do.

To bullets, there are certain classes of ammo (hollow points for example) that do not belong in civilian hands.

I was under the impression that hollow points are used not just to have better stopping power but more to limit collateral damage. FMJs will go right through the bad guy, through the interior wall, through the exterior wall, through any vehicle (except an engine block), through your neighbors exterior wall, through your neighbor's interior wall, and through your neighbor.

The above is why the first three shells are 4 buck in my home protection shotgun and then 00.

[Skul]

I still want gNads to cook up some smokeless powder in the kitchen.    <------ from a suitable distance of course. 

[Gina]

Response to srican69 (Original post)
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:55 PM
Missouri Lad (5 posts)
43. Make the bullets so expensive,

that the gun owners will just look at the guns and not use them. The 1st bullet will be $400.00, and each additional bullet will be $100.00 ea. For those that reload the bullets, the gun powder and firing cal will be $1,000.00 per lb. and firing cap is $100.00 ea.
All bullets must be distributed by the Federal Gov.t andstrictk laws for those buying such.

Wouldn't that put a lot of American's out of work that manufacture these items?

[67 Rover]

I have yet to buy a gun on the internet, always lose the auctions. In every potential deal, the same rules as buying in shop applied. Had to have a background check at the FFL that the gun would be shipped to. I suppose this ignoratn person knows much more than i do.

I was under the impression that hollow points are used not just to have better stopping power but more to limit collateral damage. FMJs will go right through the bad guy, through the interior wall, through the exterior wall, through any vehicle (except an engine block), through your neighbors exterior wall, through your neighbor's interior wall, and through your neighbor.

The above is why the first three shells are 4 buck in my home protection shotgun and then 00.

Hollow point ammunition is already illegal in NJ how is that working out for them?

[Randy]

I have yet to buy a gun on the internet, always lose the auctions. In every potential deal, the same rules as buying in shop applied. Had to have a background check at the FFL that the gun would be shipped to. I suppose this ignoratn person knows much more than i do.

I was under the impression that hollow points are used not just to have better stopping power but more to limit collateral damage. FMJs will go right through the bad guy, through the interior wall, through the exterior wall, through any vehicle (except an engine block), through your neighbors exterior wall, through your neighbor's interior wall, and through your neighbor.

The above is why the first three shells are 4 buck in my home protection shotgun and then 00.

Get a Curio & Relics FFL. Then you can order right from the dealers and have them delivered to your front door by the fine folks at UPS.   

[Rebel]

Get a Curio & Relics FFL. Then you can order right from the dealers and have them delivered to your front door by the fine folks at UPS.   

Thought about that, but it calls for you to catalogue ALL firearms in your possession. I'd automatically be breaking the law because I'm not surrendering any information about what I have in my household.

[JohnnyReb]

"Make bullets expensive"

Well, I guess I could resort to 'gun cotton' and stealing lead/acid car batteries.

[FiddyBeowulf]

To bullets, there are certain classes of ammo (hollow points for example) that do not belong in civilian hands.

Hollow points allow the bullet to expand and do more damage while also reducing the risk of the bullet from exiting the target. They are most commonly used for hunting where a quick, clean kill is preferable to a slow painful death where the animal suffers a long time before passing. the other most common use, self-defense, the same logic can be used.

[tac]

Wouldn't that put a lot of American's out of work that manufacture these items?

I don't think they really care about that anyway. After all, unemployment is good for the economy, according to Plastic Face Pelosi and Obozo.