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Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:24 PM
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Can We Please Get Over the End of the Mayan Calendar?
Okay, so the last Mayan Long Count calendar to have been been created ends on 12/21/12. This portends the apocalypse how?

You might want to take a small reality check and realize our current calendar ends every 12 months. We generally don't worry about that welcoming in the apocalypse. Usually we just plan a drunken party, watch some stupid ball of lights descend in Times Square and buy a new calendar for the next year.

Since there are really no Mayan clergy or scientists to speak of any longer it's probably a little difficult for them to set up new Long Count calendar as they would most likely do just at we distribute all those disgusting calendars with pictures of puppies, kittens, small children and such to mark time for the next 12 months
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34. Alas they did use wheels

in toys. There is a good reason why not full fledge full sized ones were not used.

Draft animals did not exist until Columbus made that astounding navigational error, and was followed by others in search of Gold. So having a wheel, regardless of the mechanical advantage, on a cart, made zero sense.

For example, the Aztec Emperors had fresh fish from the Gulf of Mexico often. That fish was taken in the morning and arrived to Tenochtitlan in the afternoon. They used runners, who ran 20 kilometer or so legs, and it took a day to get it. Try that, given the inclination to get over the Sierra, with pulled on carts with humans, it would have been much slower.

Oh and the Observatory (so named since it's form is very similar to a modern day one and function was the same), near Merida should tell you that yes, they knew about the wheel.

Oh and did I mention they had a far more advanced calendar than what we use even today for our civil calendar? The Maya calendar does take into account silly shit like the fact that the day is NOT 24 hour hours long.

At the height in the Classic period they were probably the most advanced culture in the world.

Now did they have their problems? Like all other cultures yes. Their religion, which requires sacrifice, could be seen as a major problem, but the same priests were involved in some pretty advanced astronomy.

Oh and natural medicine and herbology... some medical remedies used by the Maya and Aztec are now currently under research. The active components are actually like for real. 
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33. two things

1.- This current version of the long count does end where it ends (they found a longer stone with a longer count this year)

2.- You are correct. We know this since this BS, and BS it is, is a creation of the Western Mind. Bakums were months, period, And the end of the long count, means the end of THIS CYCLE, not the end of the world.

I congratulate you for getting it, by the way.

Me. end of the WORLD PARTIIIIIYYYYYY! on the 20th... com'on, any excuse to party.

I expect to wake up the next day, uncover the parrot's cages like every day, and have two conures beg for their waffles. Life will go on. 
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34. Alas they did use wheels

in toys. There is a good reason why not full fledge full sized ones were not used.

Draft animals did not exist until Columbus made that astounding navigational error, and was followed by others in search of Gold. So having a wheel, regardless of the mechanical advantage, on a cart, made zero sense.

For example, the Aztec Emperors had fresh fish from the Gulf of Mexico often. That fish was taken in the morning and arrived to Tenochtitlan in the afternoon. They used runners, who ran 20 kilometer or so legs, and it took a day to get it. Try that, given the inclination to get over the Sierra, with pulled on carts with humans, it would have been much slower.

Oh and the Observatory (so named since it's form is very similar to a modern day one and function was the same), near Merida should tell you that yes, they knew about the wheel.

Oh and did I mention they had a far more advanced calendar than what we use even today for our civil calendar? The Maya calendar does take into account silly shit like the fact that the day is NOT 24 hour hours long.

At the height in the Classic period they were probably the most advanced culture in the world.

Now did they have their problems? Like all other cultures yes. Their religion, which requires sacrifice, could be seen as a major problem, but the same priests were involved in some pretty advanced astronomy.

Oh and natural medicine and herbology... some medical remedies used by the Maya and Aztec are now currently under research. The active components are actually like for real. 

Did Columbus make an "astounding" navigational error? He intended to travel west. He traveled west. Granted, there was a chunk of land the he didn't expect between his port of departure and intended destination, but for all I know he may have reached his destination if not for America.
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There is a good reason why not full fledge full sized ones were not used.

Reading that gave me a headache.

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I have to say that I find her smarter-than-everyone-else "Oh" at the start half the sentences to be particularly grating.
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Did Nadin even write these posts?  It was astonishing to me that all the words seem to have been spelled correctly, and the grammar is unexceptional.  Maybe the conures knocked her off and are enjoying her computer AND all the waffles they desire.
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I have to say that I find her smarter-than-everyone-else "Oh" at the start half the sentences to be particularly grating.
She is a really condescending idiot.

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The Mayans were no more intelligent and advanced than the primitive savages who inhabited North America.

They were little more than upright wildlife.

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Did Nadin even write these posts?  It was astonishing to me that all the words seem to have been spelled correctly, and the grammar is unexceptional.
Wikipedia is her home-page.

The Mayans were no more intelligent and advanced than the primitive savages who inhabited North America.

They were little more than upright wildlife.
Of course the Mayans were more intelligent and advanced. Thats why they only practiced human sacrifice, while the Noble Indians to the north simply waged indiscriminate war on neighboring tribes and captured other Noble Indians for slaves.......DUH!
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Of course the Mayans were more intelligent and advanced. Thats why they only practiced human sacrifice, while the Noble Indians to the north simply waged indiscriminate war on neighboring tribes and captured other Noble Indians for slaves.......DUH!

Interestring debate about were the South American Indians any more advanced then the North American Indians.

I have to say Yes on all counts.   Climate made a big difference between the two, amount of rain fall, the seasonal temperatures for growing crops.   In North America the growing season was short, led to the people following the herds in the winter or wintering by any coast as it was warmer then inland.

The climate in Central and south America made farming much easier all year round.  As the farming was done mostly by the woman the men had more time to build the amazing temples and tombs we see today.  More time to spend sitting about schmoozing about the stars and building a mathematics to figure it all out.

I often wondered about the Great plains and if civilizations at that time grew so large the trees or forest disappeared and gave way to the millions of Buffalo that grazed on them.

Ideas and theory's are everywhere as to all the unexplained  things that crop up from time to time.  

Far as Nads and her story about the wheel in way beck When.  I can see how she is correct, not easy driving through a jungle on wheels.   And what would pull the carts, no horses, or Mules.   Wrong part of the world to even think of wheels as a transport.      

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Draft animals did not exist until Columbus made that astounding navigational error, and was followed by others in search of Gold. So having a wheel, regardless of the mechanical advantage, on a cart, made zero sense.

Draft animals didn`t exist until 1492?
Columbus was in search of gold?

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Draft animals didn`t exist until 1492?
Columbus was in search of gold?

Not in the Americas for draft animals, except for way up north and the Eskimos used dogs to pull their sleds.

South America may have used alpaca to carry their burden but that depended on where the alpaca were found

When the Spanish reached South America the people were terroriced by seeing men on horse back.   As century's ago any horses had been eaten all up they had no idea what this beast was.------Fancy had they arrived with elephants, now that would have been a very different story.

Columbus looking for Gold ?   He was looking for a way to get to India and anything in between to bring home to pay for his adventure. 








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Vesta is actually mostly right for once. 

As far as what Nads posted, wheeled carts still have a great utility even with just human power, using bicycles as carts was after all the means by which the Viet Minh amassed the resources necessary to besiege and take Dien Bien Phu, while the French logistical assumptions on their ability to mass force and materiel were based on them having to pack everything in by raw manpower...the Commies moved about three times as much stuff with those bicycle carts as they could have with pure human portage, and it was enough to turn the tide of battle and the entire war.  The Mesoamerican Indians just never thought of it, human labor and life being incredibly cheap and all by their lights.

Columbus was looking for spices, he had no reason to believe there was any unclaimed gold he could run off with in the Orient.  Spices and rare luxury goods like silk were the only things that were profitable cargo for which it was worth sailing halfway 'round the world, as far as he knew.

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Vesta is actually mostly right for once.

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34. Alas they did use wheels

Alas? The wheel makes Nads sad?

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Draft animals did not exist until Columbus made that astounding navigational error,

I never knew Columbus invented the horse, the donkey, the ox, the water buffalo, and the elephant!

Wow. The things you learn from a trained historian.
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Alas? The wheel makes Nads sad?

I never knew Columbus invented the horse, the donkey, the ox, the water buffalo, and the elephant!

Wow. The things you learn from a trained historian.

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You can't stump-break a Llama... or so Frank tells me.

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Hey, did you finish LETC?

Apparently he did, but it'll take forever to get an answer.

I always thought it was kind of silly, sending dutch508 there.

It was like making a nuclear physicist have to take high-school algebra as some sort of requirement.
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Apparently he did, but it'll take forever to get an answer.

I always thought it was kind of silly, sending dutch508 there.

It was like making a nuclear physicist have to take high-school algebra as some sort of requirement.

Some areas overlap, but there is a big body of knowledge unique to law enforcement which the Army does not teach. State Laws, civil rights, driving, officer survival, subduing and arresting, handling domestic disturbances, testifying in court, investigations, traffic and DUI enforcement, drug control, to name a few.

I graduated NE LETC in 1985, and worked in NE law enforcement until I graduated from college in 1990 and moved to MO. I had to go back to the Academy in MO, because MO did not recognize NE's commission (probably some remnant of the Civil War period  :-) ). I was the honor grad at my class in MO.
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Apparently he did, but it'll take forever to get an answer.

I always thought it was kind of silly, sending dutch508 there.

It was like making a nuclear physicist have to take high-school algebra as some sort of requirement.

I did graduate on DEC 6th. 600+ hours of training later.... I am a cop.

It was good training but I never want to do any more GD training like that again. 103 days. Not as bad as OCS, No where close to Ranger School. Like BD said- alot of specific police related training... obviously. They had to de-program me from military thinking.

In the simulations they did finally get me to stop shooting the suspect before I announced I was the police.

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In the simulations they did finally get me to stop shooting the suspect before I announced I was the police.

"Pow! Pow!" ... "oh, yeah... PO-Lice!"

Geez--ya'd think that they'd be happy that you saved the state some money on incarceration! :tongue:
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