Ted Nugent Wants to Take Away the Vote

[jtyangel]

I agree to some extent but I can tell you spouses of those paying taxes are equally liable in paying those when filing jointly. I should know since my ex made a mistake on our final joint return. I got the notices too even though I was a stay at home mom that entire year. Before anyone explains their thoughts on that they may want to consider that joint liability/ responsibility that essentially makes a stay at home mother or father an equal earner of that income for tax purposes. Just a thought.

[jtyangel]

Know what I want?  If I have to give my money up to the gov't then I want to be able to designate where my money goes.  They can even have a list you pick from of entitlement programs and military, farming, etc.  You pick 3 and the percentage of your taxes to go to that cause.  Then lets see how many people pick for all their money to go to welfare.  That way it's fair and no one feels they are being abused by the gov't and entitlement programs.

I like that idea.

[Splashdown]

My thoughts exactly . . . well, I had been thinking this:

One more:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piVnArp9ZE0[/youtube]

 

[VivisMom]

I agree to some extent but I can tell you spouses of those paying taxes are equally liable in paying those when filing jointly. I should know since my ex made a mistake on our final joint return. I got the notices too even though I was a stay at home mom that entire year. Before anyone explains their thoughts on that they may want to consider that joint liability/ responsibility that essentially makes a stay at home mother or father an equal earner of that income for tax purposes. Just a thought.

That's true. If we screw up our taxes, I am just as responsible for it as my husband is. Doesn't matter that I don't work outside the home, I am still legally responsible.

Not everyone who does not work is a lazy welfare scammer. My job (I would argue that it's a very important one) just happens to be one that I do not get paid to do. I think basing the right to vote on whether or not you have a job with a paycheck really disenfranchises those of us who do sacrifice to stay home. I think keeping tabs on those who do receive public assistance (those who are not employed, not the ones who work and still need help to make ends meet) would do a much better job of thinning the herd of stupid that seems to have invaded the electorate as of late.

[jtyangel]

That's true. If we screw up our taxes, I am just as responsible for it as my husband is. Doesn't matter that I don't work outside the home, I am still legally responsible.

Not everyone who does not work is a lazy welfare scammer. My job (I would argue that it's a very important one) just happens to be one that I do not get paid to do. I think basing the right to vote on whether or not you have a job with a paycheck really disenfranchises those of us who do sacrifice to stay home. I think keeping tabs on those who do receive public assistance (those who are not employed, not the ones who work and still need help to make ends meet) would do a much better job of thinning the herd of stupid that seems to have invaded the electorate as of late.

Ageed. I didn't know what was coming so I thought I would put out some angles to be considered;). I stayed home for 12 years and worked full time before that and full-time after so I get it.

[Gina]

I don't think Sea was talking as all people that don't work. I think she was saying all people that don't work that are living off the gov't teat.  If you are a SAHM and able to do that on your own dime, FINE.  But if you are living off the gov't then you are going to be bribed by who says they will increase or  keep you on that gravy train. 

[jtyangel]

I don't think Sea was talking as all people that don't work. I think she was saying all people that don't work that are living off the gov't teat.  If you are a SAHM and able to do that on your own dime, FINE.  But if you are living off the gov't then you are going to be bribed by who says they will increase or  keep you on that gravy train. 

I think Vivismom asked a fair question considering the original quote:

you got this one Ted!!!!I agree, because, I think, there should be a test as well!!! I think you should be gainfully employed for 12 mths, in order to vote.. If you don't work, you have no right expecting people who do work, where their taxes should go, because you won't get off yo ass to work!!! mmm mm   mmm no way sah..

and then followed by a very vague and ambigous "I have my own theory on SAHM"

I certainly didn't know what would follow, but I posted what I did so that if it was going down the road of considering a SAHM as one of those who should not vote, that one consider that income is generally HOUSEHOLD income in a joint situation like that. It is my income just as much as it is my spouses and I'm equally liable for taxes on it in that filing situation. Because of that it's absurd to even consider saying a SAHM should not have a vote. Many times people in those situations have spouses who willingly work TWO jobs to afford someone to stay home to raise the kids. Why would their spouse not have a voice via their vote considering the sacrifice their family makes?

I also think we are ignoring some obvious consequences to this thought as well. Many military members families have to accept WIC. That's public assistance...thoughts? People who have disabled children may need help through their local MRDD offices for that unique situation and continue to pay taxes at the same time...thoughts? Someone may be temporarily accepting assistance after a divorce or death following years of a substantial tax burden? thoughts? There's an awful lot to consider and a lot of twist and turns to be taken.

But you and I are just speculating as to what any person meant aren't we? I'm sure Sea will followup herself and let us know since I don't like to put words in her mouth and I'm sure you don't either. I wasn't going there personally, but just giving some food for thought regarding the issue as a whole. It's a complex issue to be sure and one that would require a lot of exceptions or we actually would end up disenfranchising a large part of OUR own voting base in the process.

[Gina]

But you and I are just speculating as to what any person meant aren't we? I'm sure Sea will followup herself and let us know since I don't like to put words in her mouth and I'm sure you don't either. I wasn't going there personally, but just giving some food for thought regarding the issue as a whole. It's a complex issue to be sure and one that would require a lot of exceptions or we actually would end up disenfranchising a large part of OUR own voting base in the process.

Well I know Sea doesn't have a mean bone in her body so I don't want to see her attacked.  That is why I spoke up. 

[VivisMom]

I don't think Sea was talking as all people that don't work. I think she was saying all people that don't work that are living off the gov't teat.  If you are a SAHM and able to do that on your own dime, FINE.  But if you are living off the gov't then you are going to be bribed by who says they will increase or  keep you on that gravy train. 

I wasn't attacking, I simply wanted her to expand on her theory about stay at home mothers. Being one myself, I kind of have a vested interest in why some people would deny a SAHM the right to vote simply because her job isn't one that brings in a paycheck.

[AprilRazz]

I don't work and I am living off the government and savings right now.

Of course I am living off the post 9/11 GI bill right now so I can be a more productive part of society. I say give those a break who are going to school and majoring in something that you are employable in right away. Like health care and the like. You major in lesbian basketweaving tranny history studies then you should have to pay extra tax and can only vote when you are actually employed in that field.

[DumbAss Tanker]

I don't work and I am living off the government and savings right now.

Of course I am living off the post 9/11 GI bill right now so I can be a more productive part of society. I say give those a break who are going to school and majoring in something that you are employable in right away. Like health care and the like. You major in lesbian basketweaving tranny history studies then you should have to pay extra tax and can only vote when you are actually employed in that field.

Relax, Citizen, as a veteran the Federation guarantees your right to vote!

 

[Kyle Ricky]

I agree with Ted, as it was all the welfare bumbs who refuse to get off their ass and get a job that got obama re-elected. They just love to suck off the government teet you know.

[Ballygrl]

I agree with Ted also!

[seahorse513]

If a couple is wealthy enough for the mother to stay home, enjoy and bond with her children, GO FOR IT!!! Unfortunately, there are some women, who have child after child , after child, and not always the same father, then they get into this rut, They start askibg for government help, get free housing, food stamps, etc....

There are many stay at home mums, who are very productive, they do charity work, volunteer, classroom aids, tutoring, take classes themselves. Sometimes if their own children are young enough, they might take care of a few of their friend's children, as daycare can be expensive(my niece does this)
I am sorry if I offended anyone...

[AprilRazz]

Relax, Citizen, as a veteran the Federation guarantees your right to vote!

 

I was pleasantly surprised a few years ago to see that book on the navy reading list.

[Gina]

If a couple is wealthy enough for the mother to stay home, enjoy and bond with her children, GO FOR IT!!! Unfortunately, there are some women, who have child after child , after child, and not always the same father, then they get into this rut, They start askibg for government help, get free housing, food stamps, etc....  They have these kids while on Medicaid and then get free daycare

There are many stay at home mums, who are very productive, they do charity work, volunteer, classroom aids, tutoring, take classes themselves. Sometimes if their own children are young enough, they might take care of a few of their friend's children, as daycare can be expensive(my niece does this)
I am sorry if I offended anyone...

Sea, I have been a member of a few fertility forums for ages now because of my infertility issues.  You wouldn't believe the amount of women that are on assistance (wic/foodstamps) that are willingly trying to conceive.  There are women/families out there on gov't assistance that use their own money to get ivf.  They willingly bring a child into the world sucking off the gov't teat.  Then don't understand why people get so pissed about it.  

There are a lot of women on the forums not married but with someone forever and are ttc.  They won't get married because they get welfare.  They have 4-5 kids by the same man.  It's infuriating how they manipulate the system.    More people should harass and shame them so people that are really in need of it aren't lumped into the catagory of loser bum on assistance.

oh and they go the hospital and everything is paid for by the state and their kids get frigging free daycare!  I pay my way, why can't you assholes?

[seahorse513]

Being on welfare, collecting freebies etc, is not something I would be proud of...
In the long run, what does that say about a person? How can these women look their kids in the eye, and not feel guilty?  To me it is stealing. Not stealing like taking something off the shelf, and not paying for it, but stealing none the less....

[JohnnyReb]

Sea, I have been a member of a few fertility forums for ages now because of my infertility issues.  You wouldn't believe the amount of women that are on assistance (wic/foodstamps) that are willingly trying to conceive.  There are women/families out there on gov't assistance that use their own money to get ivf.  They willingly bring a child into the world sucking off the gov't teat.  Then don't understand why people get so pissed about it.  

There are a lot of women on the forums not married but with someone forever and are ttc.  They won't get married because they get welfare.  They have 4-5 kids by the same man.  It's infuriating how they manipulate the system.    More people should harass and shame them so people that are really in need of it aren't lumped into the catagory of loser bum on assistance.

oh and they go the hospital and everything is paid for by the state and their kids get frigging free daycare!  I pay my way, why can't you assholes?

My X-wife couldn't have kids. Back in the mid 70's we tried to adopt.....While my annual income was enough, they said it was to "unpredictable" to raise a family. It was about that time I think that a federal judge in Florida gave a couple of queers a baby to raise....if my "X" could have gotten her hands on that judge, we could probably be saving a little on government retirements right now.

[VivisMom]

If a couple is wealthy enough for the mother to stay home, enjoy and bond with her children, GO FOR IT!!! Unfortunately, there are some women, who have child after child , after child, and not always the same father, then they get into this rut, They start askibg for government help, get free housing, food stamps, etc....

There are many stay at home mums, who are very productive, they do charity work, volunteer, classroom aids, tutoring, take classes themselves. Sometimes if their own children are young enough, they might take care of a few of their friend's children, as daycare can be expensive(my niece does this)
I am sorry if I offended anyone...

No offense, don't worry. I think that, in theory, the idea is a good one. But I know lots of moms who stay home-many who are conservative!-who would be rightfully up in arms if their right to vote were taken away simply because our jobs aren't ones that we get paid for.
 
I'd also like to point out that many moms who stay home are not wealthy-we certainly aren't! We have made the decision to forego a lot of things (fancy vacations, a large home, new cars) in order for me to stay home. For every welfare queen who has kids just for more money, there are several middle class women who sacrifice a lot to stay home and raise her children.

[Gina]

Being on welfare, collecting freebies etc, is not something I would be proud of...
In the long run, what does that say about a person? How can these women look their kids in the eye, and not feel guilty?  To me it is stealing. Not stealing like taking something off the shelf, and not paying for it, but stealing none the less....

I think there should be great shame in it only to make people not want to stay on it. But the pc police are making it where the foodstamps are on a credit card and I am sure there are other things they are doing so it's just as simple as filling something out on a computer and never showing up for anything face to face.  I have to show up to my job for a check yet they don't have to do shit under this president.