It would be nice if we called the fiscal cliff what it really is:

[Freeper]

RB TexLa (15,862 posts)

It would be nice if we called the fiscal cliff what it really is:


 
Sacrifice

That is now such a dirty word in America. At one time it was an American value. But not anymore.




What's expiring includes some $500 billion in tax cuts.

Higher tax brackets: The lowest 10% bracket would disappear, and the highest would rise from 35% to 39.6%.

Higher payroll taxes: The "payroll tax holiday" of the past two years will expire, raising workers' Social Security contributions to 6.2% of their paychecks from the current 4.2%.

Higher rates on capital gains (from a current 15% maximum to a 20% maximum) and dividends (from a current 15% to as high as 43.4%).

Significantly lower child and dependent care tax credits.

The return of the so-called marriage penalty.

The end of temporary fixes that keep nearly 30 million families from having to pay the dreaded alternative minimum tax.

Dramatically lower gift and estate tax exemptions (the limits will plunge from $5.12 million to $1 million) and higher tax rates on transfers in excess of those limits (from a maximum 35% to a maximum 55%).

Across-the-board spending cuts ("sequestration") to most discretionary programs as directed by the Budget Control Act of 2011

Expiration of measures delaying the Medicare Sustainable Growth Rate from going into effect (the "doc fix"), as extended by the Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act of 2012 (MCTRJCA)

Expiration of federal unemployment benefits, as extended by MCTRJCA and

The Tax Policy Center estimates that the end of virtually every tax cut enacted since 2001 would boost taxes an average $3,500 per household. Middle-income families would see an average annual tax increase of almost $2,000, the center said.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021917009

The problem is, there is no need to make people who earn a living to sacrifice even more than we have.
All through the 0bama economy we have made sacrifices, we live within our means and as gas prices and food prices rise we adapt, you on the other hand cry like a stuck pig every time you have to pay your own way for anything. The only bright spot about the up coming hard times is I know you goons will be suffering more than we are, because you will refuse to make any changes or take any responsibility to adapt to what is coming. You will do what you always do, hold out your hands and demand that the government give you your free stuff.

Loge23 (3,041 posts)
1. It's more than that in reality

Yes, tax reform is needed. But the bigger picture for this debate is the ******* republicans, who have plundered this country and shoveled an inordinate amount of wealth to their benefactors now holding all of us hostage for the rest.
After stealing the country's wealth, they now have the ******* nerve to try and blame it on the only real good thing that the government has ever done for it's people: share it.
No one in this country should be on the fence anymore about just who really represents them. The republicans, in an intelligent nation, would be run out with torches and picks. They are the absolute worst enemy this country has ever faced.

 

Hey DUmmies



You voted for the mess and you get to live with it.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

And no more "old whites."

[diesel driver]

RB TexLa (15,862 posts)

...Dramatically lower gift and estate tax exemptions (the limits will plunge from $5.12 million to $1 million) and higher tax rates on transfers in excess of those limits (from a maximum 35% to a maximum 55%)...

Kiss the family farm goodbye, DUmbasses.

Hope you know how to grow your own "organic" foodstuffs, because the big ag conglomerates won't be growing any organic "gourmet" niche products to suit your sensitive pallets.   

How's THAT for "sacrifice"...   

[formerlurker]

RB TexLa (15,862 posts)

It would be nice if we called the fiscal cliff what it really is:


 
Sacrifice

That is now such a dirty word in America. At one time it was an American value. But not anymore.

Are you freakin kidding me???!!!!   A misfit.   Lecturing us on sacrifice???!!!!!!!   


 

[I_B_Perky]

RB TexLa (15,862 posts)

It would be nice if we called the fiscal cliff what it really is: You are correct. Too much government spending!!!


 
Sacrifice

That is now such a dirty word in America. At one time it was an American value. But not anymore. Thanks to you moochers. Oh it is still an American value... just not as much as it used to be thanks to you dummies that won't support yourself.




What's expiring includes some $500 billion in tax cuts.

Higher tax brackets: The lowest 10% bracket would disappear, and the highest would rise from 35% to 39.6%. Wait, wait, wait a damned minute here!!!! I thought they were all tax cuts for the rich!!!! That is what you lazy bastards and your masters in the dem party have been saying for years!!!

Higher payroll taxes: The "payroll tax holiday" of the past two years will expire, raising workers' Social Security contributions to 6.2% of their paychecks from the current 4.2%. Obumbles idea. You own it, dummies!!!

Higher rates on capital gains (from a current 15% maximum to a 20% maximum) and dividends (from a current 15% to as high as 43.4%). Might as well spend your money instead of saving it. Oh wait, aint that what got us in these dire straights now?

Significantly lower child and dependent care tax credits. Those eeevil Bush tax cuts for the rich again!!!!

The return of the so-called marriage penalty. Those eeevil Bush tax cuts for the rich again!!!!

The end of temporary fixes that keep nearly 30 million families from having to pay the dreaded alternative minimum tax. Eeevil one percenters!!! Pay that AMT!!!!

Dramatically lower gift and estate tax exemptions (the limits will plunge from $5.12 million to $1 million) and higher tax rates on transfers in excess of those limits (from a maximum 35% to a maximum 55%).

Across-the-board spending cuts ("sequestration") to most discretionary programs as directed by the Budget Control Act of 2011 What part of we are broke do you not understand? Oh wait... you're dummies.

Expiration of measures delaying the Medicare Sustainable Growth Rate from going into effect (the "doc fix"), as extended by the Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act of 2012 (MCTRJCA)

Expiration of federal unemployment benefits, as extended by MCTRJCA and

The Tax Policy Center estimates that the end of virtually every tax cut enacted since 2001 would boost taxes an average $3,500 per household. Middle-income families would see an average annual tax increase of almost $2,000, the center said. Wait, wait, wait!!!!! I thought they were only tax cuts for the rich?!?!?!

As proven above dummie, you have been lied to, and not only that... you were too stupid to know it and pulled the voting lever for your messiah!!!!

I say let all tax cuts expire. Just let them expire. That will put paid to the dems party lies!!! I'll hurt some as a suspect most people here will, but I already live below what I make so it ain't gonna kill me. You on the other hand, are gonna suffer. Suffer dummie, suffer!!! You wanted it, you voted for it, you were successful and NOW YOU OWN IT!!!!!!!!

Now suffer you parasite. Then when you wanna piss and moan, bitch at the fool in the mirror staring back at you because that person is one of the ones responsible.

[Traveshamockery]

These DUmmies do have short memories.

Our fiscal cliff was brought on by democrats and liberals who decided many years ago that everyone should have a house, whether they could afford it or not.  It all came to a head in 2008, DUmmies.  And the liberal democrats, led by Barack Obama, have been spending our taxpayer dollars like crazy to cover up their crimes and continue to fund these Americans.  Remember Fannie and Freddie?  There's the problem. 

Oh, but their democrat cronies still got their millions and billions in bonuses. 

[USA4ME]

The grand bargain has been struck, from now until the end of the year is just looking pretty for the cameras.  A lot of the crap the primitive mentioned will be fixed.  I expect estate tax exemption to be somewhere in the $3M to $5M range, child tax credits to stay in place, slightly higher capital gains rates on interest income and dividend income exceeding $1M, just to name a few.  I just don't think you float a term like "grand bargain" and talk about it for as long as it been talked about without it taking place.  You specifically put out things like that to make the reality easier to swallow when it does happen.

If I'm wrong, I'll gladly take my lumps here.  But I'm not even paying attention the next 4 weeks because it's just going to be a bunch of posturing.

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[Delmar]

It would be nice if we called the fiscal cliff what it really is:

If we go off it, it will be the thing that secures the title of worst president in our history for B. Hussein Obama.  Hopefully, we can salvage the country after he is sent off--in shame--to pasture.

[jukin]

I'm getting a little bit concerned as a DUchebag and I are thinking along the same lines. It's going to be time to have those 47%ers putting some skin in the game. The one and only reason that 0bama got reelected is because many were not feeling the folly of a marxist's reign of economic terror for the last four years.

[I_B_Perky]

I'm getting a little bit concerned as a DUchebag and I are thinking along the same lines. It's going to be time to have those 47%ers putting some skin in the game. The one and only reason that 0bama got reelected is because many were not feeling the folly of a marxist's reign of economic terror for the last four years.

I feel it needs to happen. Taxes need to go up on everyone and I do mean everyone! Only then will the voters decide that the government needs to cut spending.

The best thing that could happen is they start taxing welfare. If the welfare pukes ain't got enough to pay, then take their EIC and whatever other tax welfare they get so their tax rebate comes in as a big fat zero. Then you will see a change. Until then, not too much.

[98ZJUSMC]

Loge23 (3,041 posts)
1. It's more than that in reality

Yes, tax reform is needed. But the bigger picture for this debate is the ******* republicans, who have plundered this country and shoveled an inordinate amount of wealth to their benefactors now holding all of us hostage for the rest.
After stealing the country's wealth, they now have the ******* nerve to try and blame it on the only real good thing that the government has ever done for it's people: share it.
No one in this country should be on the fence anymore about just who really represents them. The republicans, in an intelligent nation, would be run out with torches and picks. They are the absolute worst enemy this country has ever faced.

I'm getting a little bit concerned as a DUchebag and I are thinking along the same lines. It's going to be time to have those 47%ers putting some skin in the game. The one and only reason that 0bama got reelected is because many were not feeling the folly of a marxist's reign of economic terror for the last four years.

Exactly right.  When they start having to pay for it, minds change.

[Chris_]

The only real good thing that the government has ever done for it's people

...spend itself into unimaginable debt.

Unbelievable.

[Dori]

I feel it needs to happen. Taxes need to go up on everyone and I do mean everyone! Only then will the voters decide that the government needs to cut spending.

The best thing that could happen is they start taxing welfare. If the welfare pukes ain't got enough to pay, then take their EIC and whatever other tax welfare they get so their tax rebate comes in as a big fat zero. Then you will see a change. Until then, not too much.

Get rid of income taxes and start a national sales tax ON EVERYTHING.  

[RobJohnson]

Don't the DUmmies know the President needs to leave on vacation soon?

The Vacation Cliff: What's at Stake

President Obama is planning a nice 21 day vacation from December 17 through January 6th, 2013. Year after year, the President has had to DELAY his Hawaii vacation due to the failure of Congress to get their work done on time. This year, the nation faces an impending fiscal cliff at the end of the year if Congress does not act.

The Republicans know that the President cannot depart on his vacation until this is resolved and are using that to their advantage. Please keep the President and our nation in your prayers during this difficult time.

Vacation 2012



 

[txradioguy]

Sacrafice to the DUmmies means "people with a job giving up more of their paycheck to pay for my free shit."

[JohnnyReb]

It would be nice if we called the fiscal cliff what it really is: ......a return to Bill Clinton era tax rates. 

[67 Rover]

The one and only reason that 0bama got reelected is because many were not feeling the folly of a marxist's reign of economic terror for the last four years.

I disagree, the fact that the Republicans put up a Massachusetts flip-flopping liberal who had "been there and done that" when it comes to things such as Romneycare, the Assault Weapons Ban, etc. is the primary reason we lost. 

I predicted that Romney did not have and would not have his base even before the first debate.  There was just not a clear enough difference between the two.

[jukin]

It would be nice if we called the fiscal cliff what it really is: ......a return to Bill Clinton era tax rates. 

That is Saint Clinton the Tax and Economic Boom Bringer. As has been stated the federal spending should be the same as when Saint Clinton the Tax and Economic Boom Bringer was in office with inflation and population growth. Until we go back to all of Saint Clinton the Tax and Economic Boom Bringer policies concerning government taxing only one part of society will do nothing other than bring misery and death.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Ya know what, DUmmie?  I can live with those changes, and some of them including that stupid payroll tax holiday and hyper-extended unemployment NEED to go.

[Splashdown]

What do THEY care? It's not like their paycheck will be affected. Wait until the Jan 15th pay period rolls around. There's going to be some pissed off people. Unfortunately, they all already voted for Romney.

[Zathras]

Don't the DUmmies know the President needs to leave on vacation soon?

Vacation 2012

And if President Bush put up a page like that the media would be up in arms and reporting on it daily. Once again The Empty Suit proves just what an elitest, narcissistic egomaniac he truly is. After looking at that page, part of me hopes nothing gets done so The Empty Suit's vacation is ruined.