does anyone agree with Coulter?

[5412]

Hi,

She makes some good points in this article, as usual.

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-11-21.html#read_more

I agree with her to a point.  Obama is a terrible president but something like 3.8 million republicans stayed home and did not vote.

Next question.  If Obama was not black would he have been elected.....or re elected?

I appreciated what she said about Reagan as governor and how he ran his campaign.  At the same time, Reagan was the first republican I ever voted for.  They used to talk about the Reagan democrats, I never understood what that meant.  I considered myself a Carter Republican.  I was voting against Carter.  It was close to 20 years later that I realized I was reall a Reagan democrat.

Now, when Reagan ran the second time, I got it.....after seeing what he really stood for.

For whatever reason Romney did not get enough votes that were trying to fire BO.  I suspect a lot of folks who voted for Reagan were doing that, firing Carter.

regards,
5412

[Delmar]

Romney lost because he was running against an incumbent, was beaten up during a long and vicious primary fight, and ran in a year with a very different electorate from 1980. At least one of those won't be true next time. But we're not going to win any elections by telling ourselves fairy tales about a candidate who lost because he wasn't conservative enough, articulate enough or mean enough.

I can't find anything there to disagree with.  But it leaves out democrat vote fraud and media bias.

[thundley4]

I can't find anything there to disagree with.  But it leaves out democrat vote fraud and media bias.

The media bias is sort of covered by the long and vicious primary campaign.

[BigTex]

Obama is a terrible president but something like 3.8 million republicans stayed home and did not vote.

Those were the preliminary numbers. Romney is up over 60 million votes now and thats an increase of about 40,000 republicans over McCain. Hardly any increase but the republicans also made up the same 32% of the electorate that they did in 08. We just arent gaining any votes. Most of our voters are over 30 whites. A declining % of the american people. Romney would have won in a 2004 electorate but the demographics that has traditionally helped republicans get elected is no long big enough.

I appreciated what she said about Reagan as governor and how he ran his campaign.  At the same time, Reagan was the first republican I ever voted for.  They used to talk about the Reagan democrats, I never understood what that meant.  I considered myself a Carter Republican.  I was voting against Carter.  It was close to 20 years later that I realized I was reall a Reagan democrat.

Before Reagan did you vote democrat? I find it an interesting period after 1964 when all the southern conservatives left the democrat party but didnt join the republicans till 1980.

[5412]

Those were the preliminary numbers. Romney is up over 60 million votes now and thats an increase of about 40,000 republicans over McCain. Hardly any increase but the republicans also made up the same 32% of the electorate that they did in 08. We just arent gaining any votes. Most of our voters are over 30 whites. A declining % of the american people. Romney would have won in a 2004 electorate but the demographics that has traditionally helped republicans get elected is no long big enough.

Before Reagan did you vote democrat? I find it an interesting period after 1964 when all the southern conservatives left the democrat party but didnt join the republicans till 1980.

Hi,

I moved from Chicago to Atlanta in 1977 and Reagan was the first Republican presidential candidate I ever voted for.  Sam Nunn, who was chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, appointed my oldest son to the Naval Academy.  He and I exchanged several personal letters over the next few years.  It was after Clinton got elected that he chose not to run again for re-election.  If I were to guess, he would be a republican today; certainly with his views on the military.

If Sam had decided to run for president I would have voted for him.

regards,
5412

[I_B_Perky]

Media bias had everything to do with it. I remember nite after nite the MSM profiling the poor folks that were unemployed... and that with unemployment hovering around 6 percent, during the 2004 election. If they would have done that, even 30 percent, obumbles would not have won.

That was it in a nutshell.

The MSM isn't gonna be able to do that in the next election because things are gonna get worse but they will ignore it.

Another thing... the GOP needs to let the eeevil Bush tax cuts expire. Then when everyone starts going home with less pay, shout it loud and long that the dems meme that the "Bush tax cuts for the rich" the dems screamed about was a lie. Tell the MSM that they are liars. Take the dems meme and shove it back in their damned face.

Then start harping on obumbles care. Show how companies are cutting back cause they can't afford it. Use youtube and interview people that the obumbles care screwed. Push it hard and long.

This country has not really changed thta much no matter what the libby pundits say.

Personally, if it was me, I would drop the anti abortion stance. That is a non-winner. It ain't gonna change and it cost the GOP. I would frame it like this:

When your house is on fire, you get your family out. You don't worry about whether your daughter is pregnant or on birth control or whatever. You worry about saving your family, and our family is in danger.

Just my 2 cents.

[BigTex]

Personally, if it was me, I would drop the anti abortion stance. That is a non-winner. It ain't gonna change and it cost the GOP. I would frame it like this:

When your house is on fire, you get your family out. You don't worry about whether your daughter is pregnant or on birth control or whatever. You worry about saving your family, and our family is in danger.

Just my 2 cents.

3 things about that.

1. For the people who consider abortion more than just morally wrong but actual murder, you can understand why they could never drop it.

2. its not as non-winner as you think.


If the GOP went back to abortions with exceptions of rape, incest and to save the life of the mother it could be a winning position. and we need to get all these people who claim to be pro life out to the polls. They make up 50% in the survey but only 36% of the voters.



3. This is most important, the republicans cant just drop the abortion issue. If we drop it the democrats wont just take the win. They will push for late term abortions, selective sex abortions and eventually after birth abortions. Sound like a joke? Europeans are already pushing for after birth abortions.

The article, published in the Journal of Medical Ethics, says newborn babies are not “actual persons” and do not have a “moral right to life” The academics also argue that parents should be able to have their baby killed if it turns out to be disabled when it is born.

Killing babies no different from abortion, experts say

After-birth abortion: why should the baby live?

[Freeper]

Media bias had everything to do with it. I remember nite after nite the MSM profiling the poor folks that were unemployed... and that with unemployment hovering around 6 percent, during the 2004 election. If they would have done that, even 30 percent, obumbles would not have won.

That was it in a nutshell.

The MSM isn't gonna be able to do that in the next election because things are gonna get worse but they will ignore it.

Another thing... the GOP needs to let the eeevil Bush tax cuts expire. Then when everyone starts going home with less pay, shout it loud and long that the dems meme that the "Bush tax cuts for the rich" the dems screamed about was a lie. Tell the MSM that they are liars. Take the dems meme and shove it back in their damned face.

Then start harping on obumbles care. Show how companies are cutting back cause they can't afford it. Use youtube and interview people that the obumbles care screwed. Push it hard and long.

This country has not really changed thta much no matter what the libby pundits say.

Personally, if it was me, I would drop the anti abortion stance. That is a non-winner. It ain't gonna change and it cost the GOP. I would frame it like this:

When your house is on fire, you get your family out. You don't worry about whether your daughter is pregnant or on birth control or whatever. You worry about saving your family, and our family is in danger.

Just my 2 cents.

When you say drop the anti abortion stance do you mean simply not talking about it, or do you mean you want the GOP to become pro abortion?

[J P Sousa]

Republican leaders in congress need to grow a pair........something I don't see happening any time soon.

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[formerlurker]

Republican leaders in congress need to grow a pair........something I don't see happening any time soon.

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The Republican leadership in Congress are placed there by Republicans.  They do whatever they need to do to continue to secure that support.    Republicans aren't asking them to grow a pair.   

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

If Obama was not black would he have been elected.....or re elected?

Yes and that's exactly how Obama and Co. want it.

It's his shield from all inspection and criticism.

[docstew]

Media bias had everything to do with it. I remember nite after nite the MSM profiling the poor folks that were unemployed... and that with unemployment hovering around 6 percent, during the 2004 election. If they would have done that, even 30 percent, obumbles would not have won.

That was it in a nutshell.

The MSM isn't gonna be able to do that in the next election because things are gonna get worse but they will ignore it.

Another thing... the GOP needs to let the eeevil Bush tax cuts expire. Then when everyone starts going home with less pay, shout it loud and long that the dems meme that the "Bush tax cuts for the rich" the dems screamed about was a lie. Tell the MSM that they are liars. Take the dems meme and shove it back in their damned face.

Then start harping on obumbles care. Show how companies are cutting back cause they can't afford it. Use youtube and interview people that the obumbles care screwed. Push it hard and long.

Exactly. The sooner the productive "go Galt", the sooner the system crashes down. Now that progressive socialism is the establishment, Cloward-Piven works against them. The productive are majority conservative, and will prepare for the ensuing collapse. The unproductive will not prepare, nor are they well-equipped to take it from those who have, due to the RKBA.

This country has not really changed thta much no matter what the libby pundits say.

Personally, if it was me, I would drop the anti abortion stance. That is a non-winner. It ain't gonna change and it cost the GOP. I would frame it like this:

When your house is on fire, you get your family out. You don't worry about whether your daughter is pregnant or on birth control or whatever. You worry about saving your family, and our family is in danger.

Just my 2 cents.

Agree on the abortion stance. Not because it's not a winning issue or it's the wrong thing to do, but because our guys get turned around and misquoted/misinterpreted (i.e. Akin, Mourdock). When asked about it, they need to say something along the lines of "I personally oppose abortion, but it is not my perogative to legislate my beliefs. It is my responsibility to ensure that all my constituents have the maximum opportunity to live a successful life with the greatest possible freedom."

When you say drop the anti abortion stance do you mean simply not talking about it, or do you mean you want the GOP to become pro abortion?

Just stop talking about it. The MSM is NEVER going to give a conservative a favorable interpretation of any abortion comment. Why give them the opportunity to twist our words?

[Freeper]

Just stop talking about it. The MSM is NEVER going to give a conservative a favorable interpretation of any abortion comment. Why give them the opportunity to twist our words?

One small problem with that. The media will bring it up for them. Just take a look at the whole contraceptive issue that was brought up by George Stephanopoulos and his stupid question about whether Mitt thought states could ban contraception or not.

Then recently when they asked Rubio how old the world is. So if Rubio runs in 2016 they have already set him up as an "anti science fundie".

So even if we don't say a word about abortion the media will bring up over and over again.

[docstew]

One small problem with that. The media will bring it up for them. Just take a look at the whole contraceptive issue that was brought up by George Stephanopoulos and his stupid question about whether Mitt thought states could ban contraception or not.

Then recently when they asked Rubio how old the world is. So if Rubio runs in 2016 they have already set him up as an "anti science fundie".

So even if we don't say a word about abortion the media will bring up over and over again.

If we studiously ignore the traps laid for us (i.e. "How old is the earth?" "I don't know. What does tea cost in China? And why does either fact matter to people who don't have jobs right now?") the MSM will be forced to actually discuss our issues. As far as science, say "I believe in science too. I take experimental data and draw conclusions from it. Like the experimental data of what happens when tax rates go down for all Americans: the result is that the revenues to the government go up, unemployment goes down, supply of wanted goods goes up, any number of positive economic indicators."

The GOP started as the party of abolition of slavery. They need to become the party of ECONOMIC freedom.

[txradioguy]

Obama is a terrible President...but Ann told all of us that the way to beat Obama...the ONLY one whou could beat Obama..was Mitt Romney.


How did that work out Ann?

She spent the primaries ripping the Conservatives in the race.

Then after it's all done...people like myself who held their nose and voted for Mitt...plus the 3+ million that stayed home she calls "purists"...sounding just like some idiot at the DUmp.

I'm quickly souring on Ms. Coulter.

[BigTex]

Obama is a terrible President...but Ann told all of us that the way to beat Obama...the ONLY one whou could beat Obama..was Mitt Romney.

Of the 3 candidates that came into Iowa do you think anyone else had a better chance to beat Obama?

Then after it's all done...people like myself who held their nose and voted for Mitt...plus the 3+ million that stayed home she calls "purists"...sounding just like some idiot at the DUmp.

who exactly are these 3 million voters that refused to vote? the 2012 electorate had 35% conservatives thats the highest it has ever been.

[thundley4]

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In new "Red Dawn" film, US invaded by North Korea to set up a central communist government, but finds Obama beat them to it.

[wasp69]

Media bias had everything to do with it.

The MSM isn't gonna be able to do that in the next election because things are gonna get worse

Then start harping on obumbles care. Show how companies are cutting back cause they can't afford it. Use youtube and interview people that the obumbles care screwed. Push it hard and long.

If we studiously ignore the traps laid for us (i.e. "How old is the earth?" "I don't know. What does tea cost in China? And why does either fact matter to people who don't have jobs right now?") the MSM will be forced to actually discuss our issues.

Before anyone starts running in the same circles that happen every election season, stop and consider a few things first:

• The current media is not going to suddenly be convinced that what they have been doing is wrong.  It isn't going to happen.  Stop thinking there is any way possible that they are not going to be the propaganda arm of the democrats.  The only way they can be beaten is by having an alternative.  Fox has been that alternative and while it is only one network, they have demonstrated how things can be done when competing in the arena of ideas.  Use that as a model and move forward, quit thinking CNN/NBC/CBS/ABC/AP/whatever are going to somehow be converted to telling the truth.
• It does not matter how much worse things will get, the media will still run around blaming the nearest Conservative they can find.  That's their template, that's what they run with.  Stop thinking they will suddenly see the light.  The only answer is to be able to hold them up in front of enough people to have them ridiculed.  Until then, they will continue to lie and cover for their comrades.
• The media will never discuss things that go against their ideology.  Ever.  They are too entrenched and too lazy.  No amount of force will move them from their templates.
• If companies are cutting back due to obamacare, the business owners will be blamed.  Think of the union goons that can only spout "management ****ed us" and multiply it by one thousand.  People are going to have to suffer on a personal level before their minds begin to burn through the bullshit and no amount of youtube videos in the world are going to change that.
• There is no avoidance of any trap by the media cretins.  If a non democrat candidate refuses to answer or tries to change the subject, they'll just pile on.  Romney released the legally required amount of tax information and was constantly harassed over it.  Obinga still hasn't bothered to release any of his academic records and they don't care.  It's damned if you do, damned if you don't, so there is point in wasting time or energy in worrying about it.

This is a trap which has ensnared Conservatives for many election cycles.  It's media created, media driven, and will never change.  If there is any hope of beating the collectivists, it needs to start happening on an individual level.  What that means for Conservatives is individuals within the democrat groups have to be gotten to.  The leftist takeover of the "Party of Jefferson" was done on an individual level which affected the entire group.  I'm not saying there needs to be clandestine infiltrations, but there does need to be things that appeal on an individual level which will eventually break these groups.  Conservatism is an individual philosophy, it's high time it is treated and taught that way again.  A group cannot be free, only individuals can.

There needs to be a different approach to this, retweaking an image that is clearly not working will do nothing but continue to fail.  The Republican Party, for better or worse, is the best current vehicle to spread individual freedom.  Fellow Caver Former Lurker has said it best when she told all of us that if we want to see the democrat lite element run out of the Republican party, we need to get involved on the local/state level and make it happen.  What that means is we need to get our asses busy and make the changes that need to be made.  Milquetoast conservatism is a loser, it loses every time it is tried.  That won't change until it's forced to change and that won't happen until enough people get off of their asses and make it happen.

The same goes for our communities and our schools.  Retaking our communities (city council, school board, etc) is where it all starts but retaking academia is where it matters most.  When the colleges quit cranking out propaganda spewing zombies, we might start to see a turnaround in what passes for "thought" in this country.  Until then, we're just pissing in the wind.

Let's make it happen at home before we try and make it happen elsewhere.

Personally, if it was me, I would drop the anti abortion stance. That is a non-winner. It ain't gonna change and it cost the GOP. I would frame it like this:

Agree on the abortion stance. Not because it's not a winning issue or it's the wrong thing to do, but because our guys get turned around and misquoted/misinterpreted (i.e. Akin, Mourdock).

So now we need to not only abandon societal issues but the unborn as well?  That projects embarrassment and an unspoken concession that the left is right and always will be about "choice".  No, I'm sorry, that will not happen.  I will not stand before the Almighty and explain why it is I felt it more convenient to abandon His word in our society and willingly walked away from His most innocent of creatures.  I won't do that and neither should anyone else.

The GOP started as the party of abolition of slavery. They need to become the party of ECONOMIC freedom.

You have to fix the societal problem before anything else will work.  I think the one thing that has frustrated the Hell out of me for the past 15 years or so have been the "fiscal conservatives" that seem to have held sway over what conservatives should put out as a message.  They told us that we can't win on social issues, concentrate on money instead, and abandon any type of societal morality to the left.  Well, that's been done, and it got us nowhere. 

Anyone who tries to tell me that society and finance are separate issues is a damned fool and one not worth listening to.  By abandoning society to the left, we have allowed societal rot which will now affect us all, left and right, in the financial arena.  You cannot fix money when morality is not a factor - one does affect the other in usually disproportionate manners.

The answer is right in front of us, we just need to have the courage to lay hold of the wheel and push.

[Dori]

There were a lot of close races in the swing states.  PA, OH and FL were expected to go in Romney's favor.  (according to a lot of the polls anyway).

How long do you have to live in a state in order to qualify to vote?  Maybe we need people in safe red states, or hopless blue states to move to purple swing states. 

Call it the Tea Party will travel rule for getting out the vote.   

[Freeper]

If we studiously ignore the traps laid for us (i.e. "How old is the earth?" "I don't know. What does tea cost in China? And why does either fact matter to people who don't have jobs right now?") the MSM will be forced to actually discuss our issues. As far as science, say "I believe in science too. I take experimental data and draw conclusions from it. Like the experimental data of what happens when tax rates go down for all Americans: the result is that the revenues to the government go up, unemployment goes down, supply of wanted goods goes up, any number of positive economic indicators."

The GOP started as the party of abolition of slavery. They need to become the party of ECONOMIC freedom.

If we ignore it the media will hammer us even harder. They will say that not wanting to talk about it proves how extreme we are.

When you have the media helping the democrats and the low information voters that put democrats in office there really is no solution.

[J P Sousa]

There were a lot of close races in the swing states.  PA, OH and FL were expected to go in Romney's favor.  (according to a lot of the polls anyway).

How long do you have to live in a state in order to qualify to vote?  Maybe we need people in safe red states, or hopless blue states to move to purple swing states. 

Call it the Tea Party will travel rule for getting out the vote.   

Or we could take a clue from the democrats. back in 2008 a number of people moved to Florida, voted in Florida AND voted by absentee in their former home state. I don't know if a large number was found but it's just one way voter fraud is happening. 


BTW: I was amazed at how close the swing state vote was between the "O" and Romney. Maybe a more conservative message would have turned it around.
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[Lacarnut]

Obama is a terrible President...but Ann told all of us that the way to beat Obama...the ONLY one whou could beat Obama..was Mitt Romney.


How did that work out Ann?

She spent the primaries ripping the Conservatives in the race.

Then after it's all done...people like myself who held their nose and voted for Mitt...plus the 3+ million that stayed home she calls "purists"...sounding just like some idiot at the DUmp.

I'm quickly souring on Ms. Coulter.

Same here.