LINCOLN forces DUmmies to do some fast talking

[Delmar]

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 03:35 AM
 graham4anything (1,832 posts)

Spielberg's LINCOLN the movie-Needing the other side,& Presidential war time power(like today)


 
Run and see this movie
Go for the directing (Spielberg), acting- Daniel Day Lewis, Tommy Lee Jones, Sally Field all possible academy award winners again for this
Go for the costumes, the cinematography

and marvel at what this story is showing

President Lincoln=President FDR=Rev.Dr. King=President LBJ=President Obama
then=2012
and it's a slam bang message to those on the far left, showing how the far left can be as bad as the far right

It is showing that the eye on the prize is what is important, and getting there, do anything needed to get the legislation passed, even if it means going right to the other party to secure their votes BY ANY MEANS NEEDED &/or COMPROMISING with the other party.

And using special war time presidential powers that the constitution gives a president during a time of war (very relevant today).

AND SOUND REASONING/LOGIC working within the system to build a better tomorrow.

It is an amazing story of the fight for the 13th amendment, the abolishment of slavery.

And showed that President Lincoln, like President Obama now, painstakeningly made the case, and when the case needed a little more explanation, painstakingly made the words fit into legal, sound reasoning.

It so reminded me of how the far left has said today, well, President Obama didn't get 100% of this,
therefore he sucks type thinking.

NO, it showed the line I have used for years now
10% of something is better than 100% of nothing.

And the quote in my signature from President Lincoln himself, rings so true

We could not secure the good we did secure if we grasped for more-President Lincoln

and Tommy Lee Jones as Rep. Thaddeus Stevens,well, it's a name everyone should look up a bio of this person, if they don't already know his life story.(and note the exteme likeness the actor had toward looking like this past leader who was the only house member ever to be called a "great dictator").

And marvel at how Spielberg shows Lincoln to put forth to the people, the question of,
did LIncoln overreach his position and go above/beyond his presidential powers by saying,
it was 18 months prior to the election, and the people voted whether his Presidency did step over that line or not, and gave a resounding reelection to President Lincoln (meaning they approved of what the president did and felt it was within the lines of WARTIME POWERS that the Constitution affords the president.

(and note that back then republican=today's democrat and then democrat=today's republicans which I noted seemed to confuse some in the packed movie theatre we saw the film in yesterday

And of course, shows racism and sexism rearing it's ugly head, much like today's republicantealibertarians want to bring back the ORIGINAL BOR and get rid of ALL the amendments other than the original ones. And take away the vote from blacks, women and anyone but "the master race" type thinking the racists have.

I saw this movie last night and it is a really good movie.  I knew that the democrats were going to have to do some fast talking to explain away how the democrats were the bad guys and the republicans were the good guys--that's different than the template from the usual Hollywood movie.  As much as it pained Steven Speilberg to do it, there was no getting around the facts--democrats were for slavery and the republicans were against it.  The best that Speilberg could do was delay the release of the movie until after the election.

It seems to me that the DUmmies have decided to go with a two pronged attack on the true events of the historical period this movie shows:
1. 

President Lincoln=President FDR=Rev.Dr. King=President LBJ=President Obama
then=2012

Obama=Lincoln.  Laughable.  Obama would have to stand on Biden's shoulders to kiss Abe Lincoln's ass.
2. 

and note that back then republican=today's democrat and then democrat=today's republicans

When confronted with the ugly history of their party, the democrats are quick to whip out this whopper.  DUmmies, the democrats and the republicans haven't swapped ideologies, get that through your thick skulls.  How come--to this day--the democrats have annual Jackson Day fundraising dinners?  Shouldn't they have switched to Lincoln Day dinners if they had really abandoned their poisonous ideology?  No, they can't, because the Lincoln Day dinner tradition is already taken--by the REPUBLICANS!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021836948

You pathetic liars just go ahead and keep on telling yourselves the lie.  From another LINCOLN thread:

Response to dsc (Reply #4)Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:06 PM
RBInMaine (9,109 posts)
5. The ideologies of the parties have swapped over time.The early Republicans were social progressives.

Response to dsc (Reply #4)Sat Nov 17, 2012, 12:09 AM
 ceejdre82 (145 posts)
28. but they were a very different kind of republican back then...and what the South considered democrat

Last edited Sat Nov 17, 2012, 12:10 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

s shared a lot of the republican ideology of today....it amazes me how progressive Lincoln was.

Desperation tactic.

p.s.  I thought I should include this, our old chum has weighed in with an endorsement of the movie in this second thread:

Response to RBInMaine (Original post)Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:11 PM
 Omaha Steve (33,804 posts)
7. Marta and I saw it at noon


The theater was 1/2 full. Great turnout for that time of day on a Friday. It was a mostly older than us crowd. It is everything that has been said about it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021835739

[Freeper]

They have been making this claim for years that the GOP and the Democrat Party simply each shifted 180 degrees.

The reality is in 1860 the Republicans opposed slavery, the Democrats fought to the death to keep it.
2012 the Republicans oppose economic slavery and the slavery of keeping minorities poor, the democrats once again want to economically enslave people and keep minorities in poverty and throw them a few crumbs to get their votes.

[jtyangel]

Why do you think there was confusion in that theatre dummie? Take a look at your own post. The lying and deception to get to your ends. Those people are confused because they have been lied to about history and what liberty really means and when someone starts to get thru you lie more or trample the persons character for far less then what you actively allow in your own elected representatives. You are trash and this country would move so much further ahead if liberal liars would go the way of the Dinos.

[jtyangel]

And btw when I say move further ahead I mean for EVERYONE not just the special interest that votes someone in but that also means the same responsibility for ones success and failure as any other race or religion too and that seems to be where the low information voter takes a stumble.

[franksolich]

They have been making this claim for years that the GOP and the Democrat Party simply each shifted 180 degrees.

The reality is in 1860 the Republicans opposed slavery, the Democrats fought to the death to keep it.
2012 the Republicans oppose economic slavery and the slavery of keeping minorities poor, the democrats once again want to economically enslave people and keep minorities in poverty and throw them a few crumbs to get their votes.

Your hammer hit the nail on the head, first strike.

[Zeus]

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UObEdF_uhaw[/youtube]

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3LqPedoxSk[/youtube]

[Delmar]

DUmmies have to all get on the same page and start getting their history from the same party approved source or there is going to be cognitive dissonance.  I found another Dump thread where one DUmmy learned history from an older democrat textbook where the republicans were the despised carpetbaggers and the other DUmmy follows the newer democrat party spin on history where the democrat and republican parties swapped ideologies.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021837095

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:00 AM
 graham4anything (1,848 posts)

Rep. Thaddeus Stevens- Get to know this past American hero from the 1860s

Response to graham4anything (Original post)Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:03 AM
 Fat Che's Little Brother (8,668 posts)
1. Hero?

The man who elevated political disagreement to the level of impeachable offense? The man who almost single-handedly destroyed what little chance there was of amicable reconstruction?

Thaddeus Stevens is a stain on American History, not a hero by any stretch of anyone's wildest imagination.

Response to graham4anything (Original post)Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:08 AM
 graham4anything (1,848 posts)
2. Heroes to those that back the 13th amendment. Others of course hated him like they hate Obama today

[sybilll]

They have been making this claim for years that the GOP and the Democrat Party simply each shifted 180 degrees.

The reality is in 1860 the Republicans opposed slavery, the Democrats fought to the death to keep it.
2012 the Republicans oppose economic slavery and the slavery of keeping minorities poor, the democrats once again want to economically enslave people and keep minorities in poverty and throw them a few crumbs to get their votes.

BAM!  H5

[GOBUCKS]

the democrats once again want to economically enslave people and keep minorities in poverty and throw them a few crumbs to get their votes.

It works.

[Dori]

As much as it pained Steven Speilberg to do it, there was no getting around the facts--democrats were for slavery and the republicans were against it.  The best that Speilberg could do was delay the release of the movie until after the election.

Yeah, he didn't want Obama voters to wake up out of their liberal coma.

[Splashdown]

First time in history, though that someone can actually say that Lincoln is doing WELL in theaters. A theater wasn't the best place for him, if I recall correctly...

[Freeper]

First time in history, though that someone can actually say that Lincoln is doing WELL in theaters. A theater wasn't the best place for him, if I recall correctly...

 

Oh wait the DUmmies will call the SS on us and tell them that we are wishing harm on a former president. 

[Chris_]

"Apart from that, how did you like the play, Mrs. Lincoln?"