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When dems lose elections, DU provides tons of threads with dubiously rational conspiracy theories about how the "rethugs stole the election" with their Diebold machines or Tagg Romney machines. They obsess on vote fraud to the point where they would indict their own mom if they suspected her of being a "teabagger." And Daily Kos loves to create highly detailed, quasi-plausible yarns about Jesse Ventura-esque secret society bullshit about highly organized voter fraud actions by the GOP.

So for the most part, I look at such DU-inspired conspiracies not with a grain, but a bowlful of salt.

Having said that, I've accepted the results of the election, though I will fight like hell any implementation of the policies as much as I can politically muster. So this is not really about trying to turn things around for now; it's more like identifying the source and reasons for my own suspicions. It's not about making excuses, but about trying to identify the most baffling political disconnect that I've had in years ever. Finally, I confess I have no technical knowledge of what really could have happened, but in providing the outline based upon my own relatively experienced political intuition, I can at least put out a basis for discussion...or for being called loonytunes, or worse. So let me have ONE "crazytime" moment on CC; and if a unanimity of you guys think I'm nuts, we can have a good beer and I'll stick to rational prose.

OK. First, my observations:

1. The GOP was energized more like 2010 than like 2008. Conversely, the libs were NOT energized like 2008. This energy was shown in the last two weeks. The storm notwithstanding, Romney still had the momentum going.

2. In the last week, the ground game was more energetic for the GOP by all anecdotal accounts. My intuition was geared to following such anecdotes, coupled with whom were communicating it: which pundits, which sources, etc.

3. Trusted conservative and even moderate pundits, notably Michael Barone, while not overtly providing guarantees, were highly confident in their projections of a significant Romney win in the swing states. The inference was the race, at worst would have been a close, but still comfortable, win, and in addition, coattails would have helped senate and congressional candidates run.

4. Finally, the exit polls, which had been described as close between Romney and Obama (and I'm certain among other downticket candidates), actually favored Romney because the exit polls were actually specialized to poll ONLY states that Obama took against McCain, and specifically most of the states that McCain won against Obama, with a few insignificant exceptions.

With that setup, with the observations in place, if I were a scientist, I would have only one rational explanation: Romney and conservatives would win handily. OK, maybe not ALL senators and representatives, but at least those that weren't targeted like Alan West and the "rape" senators. It would maybe not be as decisive as 2010, but it would at least have been a comfortable wire to wire win with no real cliffhangers in the swing states, or at least cumulatively.

And finally... with all the enthusiasm, and all the incredible turnouts by the GOP both at venues and in every conservative voting precinct, where only conservatives seemed to wait in long lines while urban poll centers were relatively sparse... the race was close.

Now, I watched the votes come in. And you all know what happened, Obama won. Not big, though. The popular vote was relatively close, which was irrelevant, but what was interesting was not just how the votes were close, but in the way the vote spreads wavered.

It seemed that the votes came in way too evenly. Usually, there are spurts when they get several precincts at once, or have to wait awhile. But the vote seemed to ALWAYS show Obama in the lead, by a little. It was almost...ALMOST!.. as if the actual Obama votes were coming in, and the Romney votes were being suppressed, never allowing to get too close to Obama's vote count, yet never increasing its difference.

This was highly noticed in Ohio, Florida, and Virginia: the FLOHVA trio that pundits predicted the election. It was eerie, very eerie.

Other states seemed to have that same phenomenon. I realize there is a fine line between actuality and fraud, and of course it is not determinate from my view, but in watching how the returns came in was very telling.

OK, I don't have anything more at this point. My contention is uncertain, but mathematically it makes more sense to suppress Romney / Rep votes than to add to Obama / Dem votes, simply because my interpretations of the strong anecdotals. I will now christen the thread the official BULLSHIT thread, and will consider this thread for entertainment purposes only. But mainly, I wanted to know if anyone else got the feeling that "somethin' ain't right, Lucy."
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Re: I am not a normally a conspiracy DUmmie, but I deserve ONE freebie
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2012, 12:08:46 AM »
Nothing is ever right when the votes come from places dominated by corrupt Democrat machines.

There's a whole lot of tricks the bosses pull.

This has got to stop.  It's been going on since 1800 (Aaron Burr of New York), and by the time the final chapter of the history of this republic is written, the then-historians will certainly declare that the Democrat party was the most insiduous, the most malign, the most corrupt, institution to have existed in all of American history.
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Re: I am not a normally a conspiracy DUmmie, but I deserve ONE freebie
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2012, 12:41:17 AM »
I also forgot to mention that early ballots were way down for Obama, while Romney got a larger early vote count than McCain. This documented fact actually fit the pattern of a significant Romney win along with the anectodals.
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Re: I am not a normally a conspiracy DUmmie, but I deserve ONE freebie
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2012, 07:41:55 AM »
I don't think you're a conspiracy nut, GOPC.  This was a Chicago thug who won.  Who knows?  A bunch of people were tweeting "I just voted three times."  Were they lying?  Or not?  I don't have faith anymore in election integrity. 

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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2012, 07:44:10 AM »
I don't think you're a conspiracy nut, GOPC.  This was a Chicago thug who won.  Who knows?  A bunch of people were tweeting "I just voted three times."  Were they lying?  Or not?  I don't have faith anymore in election integrity. 

There's something weird about the fact that Romney in 2012 got less votes than McCain in 2008.

(Barack Milhous got about 10 million fewer votes.)

It was obvious enthusiasm for Romney was much more vigorous than enthusiasm for McCain.

It's weird.
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Re: I am not a normally a conspiracy DUmmie, but I deserve ONE freebie
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2012, 11:30:44 AM »
I don't think 3 million old white guys died in four years, assuming they all voted for McCain last time. That would be the only rational explanation that would explain the discrepancy.

I know Sarah Palin was popular, but that election didn't yet have the dire consequences as it did on Tuesday.

SO WHERE THE HELL DID 3 MILLION PEOPLE GO???


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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2012, 11:41:55 AM »
Let me fan the flames of conspiracy here a little:

Barack Obama netted FEWER Democrat votes in 2012 than were cast in 2008 by 3% points.

Mitt Romney earned MORE Republican votes in 2012 than were cast in 2008 by 3% points.

Barack Obama earned FEWER Black votes in 2012 than he did in 2008.

Mitt Romney by the way, earned MORE Black votes in 2012 than were cast for the Republican in 2008.

Mitt Romney earned MORE votes from both married men and married woman than were cast for Republicans in 2008, while also improving support among non-married men and woman by 2% from 2008 as well.

Mitt Romney earned MORE votes among liberals, moderates, and conservatives than were cast for the Republican candidate in 2008 – in fact, this improvement was by a full 7% over 2008 – a very significant improvement.

Mitt Romney earned more votes from Protestants, Catholics, and Jews than the Republican nominee received in 2008, including a 9-point improvement among Jewish voters alone.

The two top issues according to voters were the economy and the budget.  Mitt Romney earned A 38 POINT ADVANTAGE OVER BARACK OBAMA on the top two issues of the election – and yet Romney was somehow defeated.

Lastly, regarding the following three personal trait issues – strong leader, shares my values, and has a vision for the future, Mitt Romney DOMINATED Barack Obama among 2012 voters by 45 points.  And lost the election.

http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/11/07/data-points-to-a-powerful-romney-campaign-and-yet-he-lost/
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Re: I am not a normally a conspiracy DUmmie, but I deserve ONE freebie
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2012, 12:16:34 PM »
From 2008 to 2012 was the biggest % drop in total votes from one presidential election to the next. Which is surprising considering we heard 2 straight weeks of reporting about "record early voting"
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Re: I am not a normally a conspiracy DUmmie, but I deserve ONE freebie
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2012, 07:31:07 PM »
I don't think 3 million old white guys died in four years, assuming they all voted for McCain last time. That would be the only rational explanation that would explain the discrepancy.

I know Sarah Palin was popular, but that election didn't yet have the dire consequences as it did on Tuesday.

SO WHERE THE HELL DID 3 MILLION PEOPLE GO???

Only twice the last 100 years has the sitting President been voted out of office, only 9 times in our history

Carter was not only dealing with a poor economy and the Iranian crisis but he was severely weakened by an "entitled" Ted Kennedy in the primaries. Poor old Jimmy was hammered by Ronald Reagan and Romney is certainly no Reagan.

Bush Sr. suffered from being the perceived 3rd term of Reagan and he wasn't as dynamic. In any event it's rare VP to succeed his President at all. The country seems to prefer a change of parties after 2 terms.

Every election predictor was wrong, except one: Incumbents usually win. (H/T Ann Coulter)

And maybe just as or more important is Romney's Mormon faith, I know many conservatives who where uncomfortable with it.

If anything worked to suppress Republican turnout it was the attack on his religion. 
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2012, 07:48:27 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2012, 12:49:44 AM »
Only twice the last 100 years has the sitting President been voted out of office, only 9 times in our history

Three times since 1970 actually.  Ford...Carter and Bush 41.

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Carter was not only dealing with a poor economy and the Iranian crisis but he was severely weakened by an "entitled" Ted Kennedy in the primaries. Poor old Jimmy was hammered by Ronald Reagan and Romney is certainly no Reagan.

Bush Sr. suffered from being the perceived 3rd term of Reagan and he wasn't as dynamic. In any event it's rare VP to succeed his President at all. The country seems to prefer a change of parties after 2 terms.


Why are you making excuses?  You trying out for a spokes idiot job at the RNC?

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Every election predictor was wrong, except one: Incumbents usually win. (H/T Ann Coulter)

Ann Coulter also blamed "purists" for the loss.  But I guess you buy that too huh?  Purists like Rush...Mark Levin...99.9% of the people on this board.

Yeah  :whatever: that's what lost it for us.

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And maybe just as or more important is Romney's Mormon faith, I know many conservatives who where uncomfortable with it.

Only the bigots at FR...JimRob and his merry brand of haters were uncomfortable with it.

And that argument about fearing his Mormonism is as idiotic and small minded as the Catholics in 1960 that feared Kennedy because they thought he'd take orders from the Pope.

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If anything worked to suppress Republican turnout it was the attack on his religion. 


That is pure 100% unadulterated steaming horse shit.

Go peddle that intolerance at FR.
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Re: I am not a normally a conspiracy DUmmie, but I deserve ONE freebie
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2012, 08:29:27 PM »
I don't really think that most of the reasons given here are that pertinent. I basically tried to define an effect based on cause, or a series of causes, that doesn't add up. Even if religion or "purists" were to blame, those are subjective terms. My only emphasis on this thread is in defining the result.

Democrats cried up a storm in 2004 when they felt they won with the exit polls for Kerry beating Bush, then later on got beaten on most fronts. But that was only one anomaly, and that was easily explained by bias in the exit polling methodology. This election had a log more indicators that, put together, indicated a strong showing for Romney. He may not have ended up with more electoral votes that Obama did on his win, but I still don't understand how 3 million fewer republicans voted.

If I were a DUmmie, I would probably have a half dozen plausibly-sounding reasons. That's a no-brainer. But it's like my astronomer friend, who can predict the locations of planets or the existence of black holes based upon observing the path of stars. And while voting is not astronomy, the numbers just don't add up.
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Re: I am not a normally a conspiracy DUmmie, but I deserve ONE freebie
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2012, 05:44:38 AM »
You sure they remained Republican?  they may have switched parties altogether (to independents/unenrolled).


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« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2012, 05:44:56 AM »
or Libertarian....

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« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2012, 10:03:55 AM »
You sure they remained Republican?  they may have switched parties altogether (to independents/unenrolled).

They could have but the point is they didnt vote. There were also about 6 million combined democrats and independents who voted in 08 but didnt vote in 2012

or Libertarian....

Definitely not, they libertarian party registration is under 300k
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