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Offline ChuckJ

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Football stat question
« on: November 05, 2012, 07:52:50 PM »
A few days back, I saw a high school video that some of you may have also seen. The center hiked the ball expecting the QB to be under center, but the QB was in shotgun formation. Instead of hiking the ball back, the center hiked the ball up. A defender caught the ball while it was still in the air and ran it in for a TD.

How would this be credited on the stats? As a fumble by the center?
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Re: Football stat question
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2012, 08:32:45 PM »
I would think so, since it was last in the center's possession.
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Re: Football stat question
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2012, 10:10:04 AM »
A fumble.  It would be the same as if a punt were hiked over the punters head.  The recovering team would have the ball unless the punting team recovered and it was the 4th down, in which case the ball would go to the other team on downs.

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Re: Football stat question
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2012, 10:14:29 AM »
A couple of weeks ago I was watching an NFL football game and could have sworn the center threw the ball to a receiver.  Can he do that? 
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Re: Football stat question
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2012, 10:31:39 AM »
Quote from: Dori on November 06, 2012, 10:14:29 AM
A couple of weeks ago I was watching an NFL football game and could have sworn the center threw the ball to a receiver.  Can he do that?

I don't see why not.  Let's say the center snaps the ball to the QB, the QB hands off to the RB, the RB fumbles prior to crossing the line of scrimage, and somehow the Center gets the ball while it is still behind the line.  There hasn't been a forward pass to this point and the ball hasn't crossed the line, so the team could still pass the ball forward.

But would you want the center passing the ball?  At this point in the season, I would expect the Chiefs and Jags to try about anything.

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Re: Football stat question
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2012, 10:37:03 AM »
Quote from: USA4ME on November 06, 2012, 10:31:39 AM
I don't see why not.  Let's say the center snaps the ball to the QB, the QB hands off to the RB, the RB fumbles prior to crossing the line of scrimage, and somehow the Center gets the ball while it is still behind the line.  There hasn't been a forward pass to this point and the ball hasn't crossed the line, so the team could still pass the ball forward.

But would you want the center passing the ball?  At this point in the season, I would expect the Chiefs and Jags to try about anything.

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I think it was a fourth down play.  Instead of hiking it to the kicker he backed up and threw it. ?????  I had just turned the game on, so I wan't really sure what had happened, so just remember thinking "can he do that"?
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Re: Football stat question
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2012, 10:46:39 AM »
Quote from: Dori on November 06, 2012, 10:37:03 AM
I think it was a fourth down play.  Instead of hiking it to the kicker he backed up and threw it. ?????  I had just turned the game on, so I wan't really sure what had happened, so just remember thinking "can he do that"?

The ball has to be hiked, the center can't just pick it up and hand it off or throw.

In college football, Nebraska used to run a play where the center would hike the ball, it would hit the QB's hands and he would drop it, a guard would then scoop it up and run the ball.  They call it the "Fumblerooski," but I think that play has been deemed illegal now.

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Re: Football stat question
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2012, 12:37:49 PM »
Thanks for the input. I figured it would be a fumble, but I wasn't sure because I don't remember ever seeing something like that.

As for the Fumblerooski, I do think it is illegal, but I believe either a high school or college team did a similar play last year that was somehow within the rules.

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I looked it up. It was apparently two years ago. It was a middle school. It wasn't really like Fumblerooski, but it was interesting.  Below is the video.

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UIdI8khMkw[/youtube]
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Re: Football stat question
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2012, 12:41:51 PM »
[youtube=425,350][youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xW5MyBP_yE[/youtube][/youtube]
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Re: Football stat question
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2012, 01:16:59 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on November 06, 2012, 12:41:51 PM
[youtube=425,350][youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xW5MyBP_yE[/youtube][/youtube]

Looks like you were posting at the same time that I was editing.
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