From the land of liberals- 2 kids die in storm after plea for help ignored

[Tucker]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021687564

HipChick (8,432 posts)

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Not everyone was a good neighbor in Sandy...Mother refused help, children found dead in storm..




Police searching for two young brothers who were ripped from their mother's arms during Superstorm Sandy have found their bodies.

The remains of Brandon, two, and Connor Moore, four, were discovered only yards from where they went missing in Staten Island, New York.

The boys' mother Glenda Moore, 39, is said to have spent 12 hours screaming in the street after they were swept away, but residents would not help her look for them.
The boys were sucked away by floodwater after Mrs Moore's car stalled and became stuck just before 6pm on Monday near the 400-block of Fr. Capodanno Boulevard in South Beach.

Mrs Moore, a nurse, tried to hold on to them but was overpowered by the force of the storm.
After the boys disappeared, Mrs Moore knocked on a nearby door for help but was told: 'I don't know you. I'm not going to help you.'

Mrs Moore then tried another neighbor near her Staten Island home, but when she rang the bell they turned off the lights and refused to answer.

As the storm raged around her, the nurse took shelter in a doorstep, screaming and staring at the waters which had just snatched away her children.

Twelve hours later, at dawn when the weather calmed down, she found the strength to walk down the street and flag down a passing police car to raise the alarm.

Her cousin Nancy Jean, 41, fought back tears as she described the ordeal.

'I can’t believe the way she was treated by the people she went to for help,' she said.

'The first person she knocked on, she begged them and said: "Please call 911".

'They told her: "I don't know you" and closed the door. She tried another door but they turned the lights off.

‘I can’t imagine what she was thinking then. She sat down for 12 hours and was just screaming. She was out of it. When it got to morning she went and found a police car and told him what happened.’

A friend of the mother who lost two young sons to Superstorm Sandy today urged the public to 'keep them in your prayers, they're going to need it'.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2226332/Superstorm-Sandy-Mother-boys-swept-arms-left-screaming-street-12-hours.html

Jennicut (24,304 posts)
2. Terrible.

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I have two little ones of my own. Can't imagine. Just can't understand why no one would help her.

Liberals think that that is the Governments job.

panAmerican (917 posts)
4. Heartless. I don't know why, but I knew when I clicked the link, the mother was black

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smh

All the more reason for liberals to refuse help.

They only help black folk when the deed make national news.

ananda (11,255 posts)
7. Even though there was no hope for the kids..

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.. I will never understand the heartless inhumanity of those neighbors.

It just defies any sense of decency.

My mom would have brought her into the house and gotten everyone
involved in helping her. My dad, though racist, would have helped too
as long as he was with my mom. With his new racist wife, I don't know.

I'd bet that your Dad is a democrat.

LisaL (21,372 posts)
12. Most people aren't going to risk their life for a stranger.

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Of course that doesn't explain why they wouldn't call 911 (assuming they didn't).

ecstatic (18,100 posts)
35. Another woman was burned to ashes while neighbors watched on

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At first I was really upset and disappointed, but in trying to understand I've concluded that they must have been in extreme 0survivor mode and fearful that they would meet the same fate if they tried to help.

    She just wanted pictures. In Richmond Hill, Queens, a power line the length of a block on 105th Avenue between 134th and 135th Streets snapped and crumpled to the ground. The frayed end of the line began sparking wildly.

    The line was still sparking as Ms. Abraham walked down the driveway and into the rain-drenched street. She came into contact with one end of the snapped wire.

    She caught fire.

    A half-dozen or so witnesses watched in utter horror. They said her body burned for about a half-hour before the police and firefighters arrived.



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/31/nyregion/hurricane-sandys-lethal-power-in-many-ways.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0

malaise (99,376 posts)
42. I would not try to save someone who was connected to a live wire

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She made a stupid decision. If the mother's story is correct (and that is not what I heard on Pix when the search started) then that was heartless.

FSogol (14,108 posts)
96. I would (the live wire thing)

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You push the wire away from them using any nonconducting object like a rolled up newspaper. You could also attempt to move the wire by a thrown broom, a pushed chair, etc. Just don't physically touch the person or wire.

Not sure I completely believe the story.

  The stupid is strong with this one.

WinkyDink (34,501 posts)
46. I'm calling it now: RACISM.

Not one person blamed Bush. I'm disappointed.

[GOBUCKS]

Mrs Moore, a nurse, tried to hold on to them but was overpowered by the force of the storm.
After the boys disappeared, Mrs Moore knocked on a nearby door for help but was told: 'I don't know you. I'm not going to help you.'

Typical New Yorker.

I saw an interview with the beast who turned her away.

He said she should not have been out in the storm.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Typical New Yorker.

Yes, actually.  With most New Yorkers, if they know you, they'll do damn' near anything to help you out, but if they don't, you're dead to them.

[Linda]

She sat down for 12 hours and was just screaming

If that was me, my ass would have been looking for my children not sitting down screaming for 12 hours.
Is she a democrat, where it isn't her job to look for her children, it is the governments or the 1%er's job?

I am sorry for the children they were innocent, why the hell was the mother out in the storm with them in the 1st place? Maybe these bleeding heart liberals should ask her that.

[Gina]

Heck I heard they wouldn't open the door because someone threw a chair through the window and was acting nuts.

I heard the story this morning and my heart just flipped with fear.  I can't imagine losing your kids.

And she was married to a white man for any of the DUMMIES info.  Geez, it's not all about race.  

I feel bad I am going to say this but they showed the houses and they are pretty well built and 2 story.  She left because she says she wanted to find higher ground.  I don't know but I think I would have stayed put downstairs and went upstairs if flooding started.  I am just thinking outloud.  I just know that her heart must be broken and she can't think about living for herself now.  

[Undies]

This couldn't be another Susan Smith story could it?

[Gina]

This couldn't be another Susan Smith story could it?

No way.

[Linda]

This couldn't be another Susan Smith story could it?

No I don't think so.

[Undies]

No way.

No I don't think so

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Well, something doesn't smell right. 

[Tucker]

This couldn't be another Susan Smith story could it?

Never crossed my mind but you never know.

[Gina]

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Well, something doesn't smell right. 

Please stop.  I don't know why this is upsetting me but she was trying to carry her two kids to safety.  She unbuckled them and a wave washed over her.  I am 100% sure that she is a mother grieving right now and those two angels should be the only thing we talk good about.  I can't imagine and I probably would have gone into a psychosis and sat there for 12 hours too screaming if my babies were lost.  I just can't imagine.

[Ballygrl]

For those of us around here this story is absolutely horrifying. That poor Mother, and during a storm it made no sense that people didn't help her.

[Undies]

Please stop.  I don't know why this is upsetting me but she was trying to carry her two kids to safety.  She unbuckled them and a wave washed over her.  I am 100% sure that she is a mother grieving right now and those two angels should be the only thing we talk good about.  I can't imagine and I probably would have gone into a psychosis and sat there for 12 hours too screaming if my babies were lost.  I just can't imagine.

Of course, you are right.  I just had a flashback to 1994 when I didn't have anymore tears to give.

[DumbAss Tanker]

For those of us around here this story is absolutely horrifying. That poor Mother, and during a storm it made no sense that people didn't help her.

I can see someone not feeling it was safe enough to go out in the dark and get in the surging water to help her find them, there's a line everyone has to draw for themselves between bravery and foolishly throwing your life away in any rescue situation.  A lot of people would draw that line somewhere else in this case, but by no means everyone.  But not even calling 911 for her was just pure, unadulterated assholery.

[I_B_Perky]

I can see someone not feeling it was safe enough to go out in the dark and get in the surging water to help her find them, there's a line everyone has to draw for themselves between bravery and foolishly throwing your life away in any rescue situation.  A lot of people would draw that line somewhere else in this case, but by no means everyone.  But not even calling 911 for her was just pure, unadulterated assholery.

I thought the same thing DAT. It's one thing if you are trained for it and got the equipment, it's another if you don't. I ain't needlessly throwing my life away when the chance of rescue is nil.

Sad story all the way around. I feel sorry for the kids and the lady.

Unfortunately for the kids, actions have consequences and mother nature is an unforgiving bitch when she gets her panties in a wad. Ain't no government entity to mandate a good outcome when you dealing with mother nature. It wasn't like she wasn't warned to get out. She made the wrong decision. Her kids paid for it. End of story. 

Darwin at work.

[Ogre]

Just watched the video/interview.

Someone is not being honest, not sure who that it is.

It sucks that the children had to pay the price.

[Mary Ann]

Please stop.  I don't know why this is upsetting me but she was trying to carry her two kids to safety.  She unbuckled them and a wave washed over her.  I am 100% sure that she is a mother grieving right now and those two angels should be the only thing we talk good about.  I can't imagine and I probably would have gone into a psychosis and sat there for 12 hours too screaming if my babies were lost.  I just can't imagine.

What she said.

[Jasonw560]

This really sucks. I'm torn because she lost her kids (I have a Connor myself), but she should not have been out there with them.

[Mike B the Cajun]

When in a hurricane, the first rule is STAY PUT, DO NOT GO OUT IN THE STORM! People get killed that way.

To be in an area that is expecting a horrendous storm surge and go out in it is just asking for it.

It does little to help the children, I just hope the mother can forgive herself for killing her 2 precious little ones. They shouldn't have died.

[kraven]

There is something about this story that is weird. The man interviewed said a man, not a woman, smashed a planter through his window. Yes, that is going to scare the hell out of someone, and catch them off guard. I would think it was a set up to robbery/home invasion.

I don't understand sitting in the street and screaming for 12 hours before seeking help again. I get the loss of a child/your children ripping your sanity away. And if I knew for sure my babies were killed, then a rubber room and a needle full of potent sedatives would be the only way to cope with life. I would sit and scream until my death. But at that point, she didn't KNOW they were dead. There was still hope. And I would crawl my way around on the streets through the hurricane searching desperately for my kids. I'd have banged on every door pleading until I got someone to help/call for help. It is the 12 hours of sitting there doing nothing but screaming BEFORE she knew they were dead that bothers me.

[98ZJUSMC]

Darwin at work.

Yep.  We live beneath a very thin veneer of civility and safety.  Stripping that away by thumbing your nose at common sense, never helps. 

[Evil_Conservative]

This story made me tear up yesterday when it was on our hourly news update.  I also understand why the neighbor's didn't go out in the storm water.  Those flood waters move quickly.  I would have been dialing 911 immediately though.  It just breaks my heart. 

[notaDUmmie]

I'm heartbroken that the children had to pay the price for her stupidity. When a hurricane is coming and you're told to evacuate, then evacuate.

So stupid, so senseless, so unnecessary.

[RobJohnson]

Yep.  We live beneath a very thin veneer of civility and safety.  Stripping that away by thumbing your nose at common sense, never helps. 

It's like trying to cross a busy highway with two kids in your arms, but worse.

[NHSparky]

911 probably wouldn't have worked, and even if it had, what could they have done?

Memo to New Yorkers--when TSHTF, you KNOW EVERYONE.  NOBODY is a stranger, because next time, that's gonna be you.

Oh, and karma is a bitch, and she's in heat.