http://www.democraticunderground.com/11311322Oh my.
franksolich just now discovered the vegetarian forum on Skins's island.
YankeyMCC (8,233 posts) Sun Sep 30, 2012, 06:36 AM
Dairy Question
Hello all, I thought there may be several here with similar diet habits that I might find someone who could relate similar experience or have some facts or hints on where to find fact.
I follow a vegetarian diet, I don't really try to be vegan however I don't typically purchase dairy for myself, I've even cut way back on the yoghurt in recent months. Growing up and early adulthood I ate copious amounts of cheese, I really enjoy it when I have it, but last few years I have it only rarely now.
I have found that when I go long stretches without dairy and then have some cheese or ice cream or something the next day my stomach is a little upset, nothing to bad but noticeable. And in particular the last example, it's been possibly more than 6 months since I've had any dairy, longest period yet, and yesterday I had a large slice of pizza that was very cheesy and this morning the discomfort is very pronounced.
There's no history to my knowledge of lactose intolerance in my family. Is there any truth to the idea that if you don't eat dairy a sort of lactose intolerance can develop?
Voice for Peace (7,199 posts) Sun Sep 30, 2012, 06:55 AM
1. I've cut waaaaay back on dairy, over time because I can't digest it easily any more, especially cheese.
Look into the medicinal properties of cayenne, it's what works for me when I have intestinal distress. I only discovered it this year, am amazed by how it's helped.
Also I've read dairy is one food to buy organic if you are able because of gmo feed, and other reasons which I don't remember.
I think a lot of lactose intolerance is coming from the milk, not the people, nowadays. Our digestive systems are also under such assault. Try the cayenne, like a quarter tsp in 8oz water next time you have that distress, see if it helps.
ginnyinWI (13,514 posts) Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:20 AM
3. Yes I think so
But turn it around, and assume that all of us are naturally lactose intolerant--meaning that we are not meant to consume cow's milk, really, and that our eating it is an adaptation for survival in cold climates back in history. Not our natural food, in other words. We get used to it, but we do better without it. And when we eat some once in a while after not having it, we notice the effects.
Same thing with meat--a meal heavy with meat will make a person feel sluggish and slow, compared to a plant-based meal. But when people have it every day, three times a day, they think how they feel is normal. They don't know how good they could be feeling.
flvegan (61,568 posts) Sun Sep 30, 2012, 06:37 PM
4. Quite possible.
Your gut needs to make lactase to digest dairy products. If you don't eat dairy (or very little) for some time and then eat a big portion, you can have problems. Your body may over time decrease the creation of lactase if it goes largely unneeded.
Doremus (4,893 posts) Sun Sep 30, 2012, 07:34 PM
5. I had a very similar reaction recently.
I had been vegetarian and decided to give up all animal protein last February. There was an art show in town and they brought in several gourmet food trucks, one of which served cupcakes. I indulged in one, much to my later chagrin. It traversed my digestive system in record time leaving a trail of wrack and ruin, lol.
I was never lactose intolerant before, but I won't be making that mistake again.
ginnyinWI (13,514 posts) Mon Oct 1, 2012, 11:46 PM
6. reminds me of what happened when my daughter went to a raw foods diet for one month prior to her wedding to lose a few extra pounds (she wasn't fat in the first place though). At her wedding reception, she went back to her normal vegetarian diet, and did experience a t***y upset. She said she felt like her stomach was full of lead. I think the same thing happened: her digestive enzymes were all adapted to the raw, dairy free diet, and when other food arrived in her stomach it just sat there. She was just fine in a day or two.
LaurenG (24,674 posts) Sat Oct 6, 2012, 03:00 PM
7. It happened to me. After nearly a year without dairy
I started noticing some discomfort when I drank milk, then it included ice cream and the last to go was cheese. It went from discomfort to acute distress. I can't do dairy in any form at all anymore
This primitive campfire suddenly made franksolich uneasy about the inventory in the kitchen.
So I went and checked.
<<breathing easier now.
There's (a) four gallons of whole milk and one opened gallon of whole milk, (b) three half-gallons of whole milk, for use when driving to the big city, (c) one and three-quarters pounds of real butter, (d) two pints of real cream, (e) four quart containers of real sour cream, and another container open, (f) eleven of those little plastic containers of Dannon yogurt, all of them cherry, (g) two one-quart jars, unopened, of real mayonnaise, (h) one pint of half-and-half, unopened, and a second one, opened, (i) two jars of real blue cheese salad dressing, one unopened and the other opened, (j) one and a half pounds of real Cheddar cheese, (k) three pounds of real Swiss cheese, (l) one block, unopened, of Philadelphia cream cheese, (m) an undetermined amount of real Roquefort cheese (hard to measure), and.....(n) in the freezer, three of those large containers of Blue Bunny real ice cream, vanilla.
That, with the real whole-wheat bread, twenty-one eggs (medium and large, fourteen of them brown), and Cream of Wheat, should hold me until Monday.
The anti-dairy vegetarians can shove that up their rectal apertures and smoke it.
