http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6158480The Bostonian Drunkard has a bonfire going in GD:P, but he's drunk, and so it's not worth bringing over here.
But I did find this, by the operating one:
OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed May-28-08 12:32 PM
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Fact: Hillary Clinton Is 100% Justified In Staying In The Race. Try And Accept That.
When you're this far in the game, and more Democrats think you are the stronger candidate to take on the opposition in November than your rival candidate, then you'd have to be just plain stupid to drop out after having come that far.
Yes, even with all mud slung at her, even with all the odds against her, even with everything that's gone on, at this moment more Democrats think she'd do better against McCain than Obama would. Now given that statistic, how far along we are and the fact that the ENTIRE POINT OF THE PRIMARY is to pick the strongest candidate to take on the opposition in November, if you don't think that ALONE is justification for remaining in a hard fought primary then you're likely not thinking at all.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics...
"Overall, Democrats are evenly divided as to which candidate would be a better general election candidate against John McCain. Forty-six percent (46%) view Clinton as the stronger candidate while 44% say Obama will do better."
It's an enormous bonfire.
Mike L (1000+ posts) Wed May-28-08 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #3
97. She can win the primary. SDs can vote for whomever they wish at the convention.
The ones that said they will vote for BO can change their minds.
wienerdoggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed May-28-08 12:34 PM
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6. Let's let the SD's snatch the nomination away from the black guy on the basis of a GOP pollster's meaningless results. Good idea.
cricket08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed May-28-08 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #6
65. It's that attitude that's going to cause us to lose the GE and I for one am sick and tired of the threat that seems to go along with "away from the black guy".
I don't care what color or gender wins this damn nomination - they just better be the one that can beat McCain.
OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed May-28-08 12:44 PM
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36. That Justification Stands On Its Own. It Is Fact.
When the whole point of the primary is to pick the strongest candidate, when you're still able to win some states by large margins, when millions and millions have voted for you and continue to, when polls show that Democrats believe you to be the stronger of the two candidates in the general election, and you still have a chance to win even if by a longshot, then you'd be a world class idiot to drop out.
When the point of the primary is to pick the strongest candidate and current polls show that Democrats believe that to be her, then that alone would factually justify her remaining in the race. That's simple logical deduction, even if you don't have the capability to deduce things logically. Yes, lyny skyny, that's a fact. She's justified. Deal with it.
lynyrd_skynyrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed May-28-08 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #36
52. Watch me own you
1) The poll you cite is within the margin of error, and therefore your assertion is false. The Democrats are evenly divided on their opinion that she is the stronger of the two candidates.
2) She has no chance, not even by "a long shot", because mathematically she isn't losing, she has lost. Her not dropping out is equivalent to a batter stubbornly demanding another pitch after having struck out.
3) Obama has won more states by larger margins than Hillary Clinton. Millions more have voted for Obama and continue to, and he has won the nomination.
You lose again!
dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed May-28-08 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #36
72. Only In OMC Blowhard World Does Your Opinion Come Close To Fact...
shomino (165 posts) Wed May-28-08 12:40 PM
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24. If you think her not dropping out and organizing a protest at the R&B
Is not hurting the party's chances in November then YOU are likely not thinking at all. It's time to support our nominee, who is Obama.
If you can't face reality then don't drag the entire country down into your abyss of delusion with you.
gcomeau Donating Member (902 posts) Wed May-28-08 12:43 PM
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34. FACT: Hillary is 100% UNjustified in how she is CONDUCTING her race.
Accept that. The problem isn't that she's in, it's what she's doing WHILE staying in. She knows Obama will be the nominee, and she's deliberately agitating the populations of Michigan and Florida against him. Among other inexcusable things.
wiggs (1000+ posts) Wed May-28-08 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #34
77. Exactly right. OP is strawman.
BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed May-28-08 12:58 PM
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56. That's another thing I won't miss
Scolding posts for being "mean" to Hillary, even when we're not.
barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed May-28-08 12:58 PM
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57. OMC, this is a very definite K&R!!!
Thanks for posting as it needs to be pointed out every so often how close they are in the popular vote and what you bolded:
"...Forty-six percent (46%) view Clinton as the stronger candidate while 44% say Obama will do better."
It's actually quite amazing how strong she is running considering she has almost no money and Obama has trainloads of cash for ads. He outspends her in state after state and she is still winning big in a lot of states. That alone tells me she is the much stronger candidate against McCain.
barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed May-28-08 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #60
62. I don't see how she's hurting the party.
She gets an awful lot of votes for a person who virtually has no money and Obama outspends her for ads by about four to one.
VWolf (298 posts) Wed May-28-08 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #62
68. You can say that again
barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed May-28-08 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #60
63. I don't see how she's hurting the party.
She gets an awful lot of votes for a person who virtually has no money and Obama outspends her for ads by about four to one.
OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed May-28-08 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #66
84. Obama has peaked
and he's been losing ground against McCain.
Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed May-28-08 01:38 PM
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75. I would say that those are compelling arguments for staying in the race.
cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed May-28-08 04:30 PM
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103. she has every right to stay in until Obama officially becomes the presumptive nominee by garnering the requisite number of delegates. After that she's just a spoiler. Period.
You know, the Obamaite primitives have a really strange way of doing things.
If the Obamaite primitives are convinced it's in the bag for Barry "Goldwater" Obama, instead of denigrating and harassing and mocking the supporters of the worthier Democrat candidate, the Obamaite primitives should be extending the hand of friendship, the gesture of reconciliation.
I mean, it's going to take more than just the Obamaites, to get Barry "Goldwater" Obama elected.
As it is now, with just the Obamaites, Barry "Goldwater" Obama's going to carry.....Vermont.
One sees half the Democrat party alienated by the hostile conduct of the Obamaites, and Barry "Goldwater" Obama's going to need that half in November. But as long as the Obamaite primitives persist in Hate, Barry "Goldwater" Obama's not going to get that other half of Democrats.
One wonders where the Obamaite primitives pawned their brains.
