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Offline cubedemon

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Responsibility
« on: October 10, 2012, 11:45:06 AM »
My first fraft

Thesis:  Responsibility and accountability from an individual or group can happen if the responsibility and accountability is reciprocated.

Outline:

I.   Definitions
II.   How it applies to the legal system and those who break the law, social, and moral code
III.   Specific examples in the real world
              a.   College graduates
              b.   Autism Spectrum disorders
              c.   Law breakers
IV.   Conclusion

Responsibility, according to the oxford dictionary means a moral obligation to behave correctly towards or in respect of.   It also means the state or fact of being accountable or to blame for something.   Transparency means easy to perceive or detect.   Blame means feel or declare that (someone or something) is responsible for a fault or wrong and it also means to assign the responsibility for a bad or unfortunate situation or phenomenon to (someone or something).    Accountability means required or expected to justify actions or decisions; responsible.   In addition, it means able to be explained or understood.   Moral means concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior.  Reciprocate means to respond to (a gesture or action) by making a corresponding one.   Earn means to gain deservedly in return for one’s behavior or achievements:

Responsibility and accountability from an individual or group can happen if the responsibility and accountability is reciprocated.   In order for reciprocity to happen a society or an organization must have transparency to it.   This means the social rules, moral rules and the laws in a given society or organization must be understood and accessible by all parties involved.   The social rules, moral rules, and the law should have the possibility of being explained.   If these rules or laws are neither explainable to, accessible to, nor understood by individuals or groups then how is it moral and how does this display correct behavior to make someone responsible or accountable?   If most individuals do not understand the rule or law, the rule or law is not easily accessible, nor is it explainable to most individuals in a given society or organization then I have to ask how is it moral and correct behavior for this rule or law to exist?

There are college graduates who are having problems finding and keeping jobs.   From personal experience, I believe I can state why.   There is an underlying assumption by a lot of college graduates that if one gets his degree there will be a job waiting for him and he will be able to slide right in.   In this college graduate’s mind, there are jobs that only require the degree and these jobs are obtainable by all of those who have this degree.   It is believed that the employers molded the college graduates into their respective organizations.   In the college graduate’s mind they did earn the job.   They feel entitled to what they believed they earned.  It has been taught that one is entitled to what they work for and earn.   They believe that their achievement of this degree earned them the job. 

When these college graduates went to elementary, middle and high school they were told certain things or things were implied to them.   For example, students were told that there were jobs that paid a good amount of money and all one had to do was go to college and obtain a degree.   They were told that the employers molded them into their organizations.   There were training programs and they were mentored in.   Not only were they told in their school environments and possible parents but this was portrayed in movies, the media, and the press as well.    The students were told that one can achieve his dreams if he believed hard enough and dreamed hard and long enough.    The conditions that were told to college graduates over the years were false.     Employers emphasize appearance, experience, social skills and personality as their key components to obtaining a job in our society.   Employers do not want to train.   They want those with experience already and those who are molded. 

 Who was in charge of the graduate as they grew up over the years?   It was the parents, the professionals, the media and press, the schools including teachers, counselors and administration, and every person who watched these graduates as they grew up.   They all had a hand in telling them things which was not true or were only partially true.  In effect, society itself is at fault.    College graduates were expected to be obedient and to respect those who were in charge of them.   This means children should expect to trust that what they are told is true and factual.   There was no and there still is no responsibility and accountability from a lot of those who were in charge of the graduates as they were growing up.   Part of accountability is that the social rules and standards should be easily accessible.   The students, while they were growing up, had little to no other access to determine what these rules were besides those who were in charge of them.   How is it morally righteous to make these graduates responsible and accountable for rules they did not know nor understand, did not have easy access to and was not transparent and is still not transparent?   

An autism spectrum disorder is a disorder that has these following traits.
1.    Very literal
2.   Has issues with non-verbal language like eye contact
3.   Has issues with turn taking in conversations
4.   Can be preoccupied with special interests

A spectrum means that it is a sliding scale and this disorder has degrees of functioning within it.   There are some adults who are on the autism spectrum who were diagnosed until they fully grew up.   Some did not get a proper diagnosis until they were middle aged.   For some, it was not proper to diagnosis because some of the disorders like Aspergers was not added to the DSM until 1994.  DSM stands for Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.   This manual has every disorder that psychologists, psychiatrists, and other mental health claim that exist.   When they try to diagnosis a person with any disorder they refer to this manual and try to match symptoms for the criteria of various disorders.
 
As this website says (http://psychology.about.com/od/psychotherapy/f/faq_dsm.htm) during the time I was a young child they were using the reprinted version of the DSM-II.   In the earlier versions, including the DSM-II, of the DSM all criteria for a particular had to be met.   At the time, I displayed some of the criteria for autism but not all of them.   I had an autism spectrum disorder called Aspergers but not the full blown autism.   Because a patient had to fit in all criteria, Aspergers was not in the DSM, and autism was the only diagnosis that closely fitted me then there was no way to effectively diagnosis me.   The doctors at the time did the best they could and said I had autism like symptoms and ADD with a narrowed focus.   I am 33 now and was diagnosed with Aspergers at the age of 29.   As a child growing up and through my teen and throughout my 20’s I did not receive the benefit of a diagnosis. 

From my experience, most people will not explain the non-verbal social rules whatsoever.   They will think that those who question them are obstinate.  Others have run into the same issues as well and have a similar history to mine.   When reaches adulthood, the brain is less malleable. Based upon this background, if the social rules can’t be accessed or not easily accessed by some people such as myself, if these rules are not teachable or not easily teachable by most except for professionals then how is it morally right to expect these people including myself to be responsible for following this social code and being accountable to anyone for inadvertently breaking this social code?   If this social code is not transparent how is it possible for one to logically follow this social code?   If obtaining a job requires one to follow this social code then how can one be expected to obtain a job and keep a job?   How is one able to and expected to demonstrate responsibility and accountability by obtaining and keeping a job at all?   If the professionals made a mistake are they not accountable to their patients?   

For one to be able to follow a law the law has to be accessible, possible to be followed, easily understood, and teachable.   Let’s say there is a law that says one must possess marijuana and at the same time that one is not allowed to possess marijuana then this would be a law that can’t be followed or understood.   One can’t follow a law that is contradictory in itself.   In law, one either has to be allowed to do or have something or they can’t.   

Unless the laws are obvious like murder or rape I do not see how one can access the law itself.   Only and legal scholars are able to access things like Westlaw.   They can’t stay on for very long because it is 100 and up per minute to be connected.   This is what a paralegal and law student told me.   The laws are not categorized and organized well.   In addition, we have thousands upon thousands of laws on the books.   How is it possible for any person to know and to understand all of the laws he must comply to?

In the state of Georgia certain driving offenses will add points to your license.   If you obtain 16 points within 2 years your license will be suspended.   What is not said is the law and the Department of Motor Vehicles is not obligated to let a person know this person has reached the 16 point maximum and their license is suspended.   Some people will not even know about this point system in place and will not know that their license is suspended.   The law and the DMV are not accountable to those who reach this 16 point maximum.  The law itself is easily accessible online but the rule of that rule breaker is responsible for knowing how many points is not easily accessible unless they stumble onto it or they find out from someone else who did not know this.   

In the state of Georgia, if one has a prescription and is transporting in a vehicle they have to have the pill bottle.   One would not know this and this is not easily accessible.  I know someone five years ago who had this happen to him.     He had his medicine in a pill box that is organized by the days of the week.   He was pulled over for driving in a manner that was consistent with one who was under the influence.   The arresting officer found him pill box with pills in it.   This is considered a felony.   He was arrested for this felony and for DUI.   The DUI was his fault and he should’ve known better.   This he needs to be made to be responsible and accountable on.   I do not believe anyone would know that one is not allowed to transport their own medicine without the pill bottle.   This would never occur to me that this would even be a law at all.   He was able to get the felony charge dropped by proving that this was his prescription and he was prescribed these pills.   He was fortunate in this case and in this case the law was accountable and responsible when they realized their mistake.  The mistake was corrected by dropping the charge.   This law should be made widely known.   It needs to be made transparent.

In conclusion, responsibility and accountable has to have reciprocity.   In order for reciprocity to take place there must be transparency and this means there must be understanding, accessibility, and teach-ability.  It is immoral to make one responsible and accountable to something a person does not understand, does not have access to, and is non-teachable.   Those who make these rules, laws and codes and expect obedience are morally obligated to give reciprocity because this shows their words are worth a grain of salt.   

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Re: Responsibility
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2012, 11:45:37 AM »
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Re: Responsibility
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2012, 11:54:05 AM »
Wow. A dissertation on his first post.

I'm impressed.

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Uh....Cube?

Might wanna introduce yourself in the Introduction thread. I'm sure if you look for it, you'll find it.

Then engage in some reading before posting. Just might learn a couple of things that way.

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Re: Responsibility
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2012, 01:26:24 PM »
Might want to run the spell checker too.

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Re: Responsibility
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2012, 04:30:41 PM »
Might want to run the spell checker too.

Yes, It is my first draft.   I will be doing more revisions including doing a more thourough grammar and spell check.   I would love for you and someone to proofread it if you do not mind or they do not mind.   Sometimes, I think faster than what I write.

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Re: Responsibility
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2012, 05:30:35 PM »
Hi cubedemon - welcome to CC.  

Ok, a few points here that are just covering the surface so to speak

First and foremost - your primary premise is that children/students are like sheep with their paths forged for them (. i.e. molded).   That may on some level be true for some public school systems but it definitely is not the blanket statement you have asserted.     There are tremendous factors that come into play, the primary being the internal and external assets available for the child/student, in their home, school and community (http://www.georgetownproject.org/home/assets.htm).    There are those who claim external assets play heavily on internal assets, but it just ain't that easy.     My biggest beef with social programs is that they address one area and one area only.   Take welfare for instance - money is provided for housing, food and medical coverage - all external assets, which are basic necessities with the focus on internal assets not only ignored, but absolutely shunned when groups attempt to address them (drug testing and accountability for example).    Yeah that is a program just destined to fail.

As for the accessability to the law prior to there being the expectation the letter of the law will be followed?   You certainly have a fascinating topic and have made some good points as it relates to individuals with disabilities.  Convincing?  it could be - but you need a lot of work to get there.  

Just my two cents.

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Re: Responsibility
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2012, 06:27:29 PM »
Hi, new guy!

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I read your introduction post. Welcome to the Conservative Cave.

I'll offer a little advice, but I won't proofread or correct you. Think about these suggestions:

Before you write a paper, ask yourself some questions. You may choose to write them down, along with the answers.

1. What do I want to say?
2. Who am I talking to?
3. Do I need to do any research before I begin?
4. What are the barriers to communication?
5. How do I break down those barriers?

Your thesis statement should be a clearly written, declarative sentence which is free of ambiguity. The Army term for it is "BLUF"- bottom line up front. The reader should be able to read the thesis statement alone and know exactly what you are talking about. An example from the world of medicine would be, "Handwashing after toileting reduces the transmission of e. coli bacteria from lunch ladies to school children."

Keep your thesis statement in mind as you write, to help you stay focused. Some people write down the thesis statement and tape it to the monitor.

The first paragraph repeats the thesis in more detail, and places it in context. The reader should be able to read the first paragraph and know why the situation in the thesis statement exists.

If you imagine your paper as a pyramid, it may help. If you cut off the bottom of a pyramid, you still have a pyramid- just a shorter one. In your paper, the last part (except for the very last paragraph) has the details to round out the readers' understanding of your message.

Wrap it up with a paragraph which restates your thesis, and say goodnight, Gracie.

Hope that helps.
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Re: Responsibility
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2012, 08:18:38 PM »
Responsibility is a tall order in a society that for the last 40 yrs or so has been built around the Idea of victimhood.

* It's not your fault, your parents didn't hug you enough when you were growing up.
* It's not your fault, you grew up in poverty.
* It's not your fault, the man is constantly taking action to keep you down.
and on & on & on.
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Re: Responsibility
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2012, 08:26:34 PM »
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  Those who make these rules, laws and codes and expect obedience are morally obligated to give reciprocity because this shows their words are worth a grain of salt.     

So, Obama is a jackass.....I agree.    :-)
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Re: Responsibility
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2012, 09:06:14 PM »

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Responsibility is a tall order in a society that for the last 40 yrs or so has been built around the Idea of victimhood.


I'm sorry but I don't follow.   Victims do exist.   There are victims of murder and rape.   We even have the victims of the concentration camps in Nazi Germany.   

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* It's not your fault, your parents didn't hug you enough when you were growing up.

How do the amount of hugs received correlate to one's success?   I don't follow.

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* It's not your fault, you grew up in poverty.

How would the time and place be anyone's fault when one is a child or baby?   

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* It's not your fault, the man is constantly taking action to keep you down.
and on & on & on.

I have my own interpretation of the man.   The man is a collection of all people in a given country, their institutions, their relationships towards each other,their relationships with themselves, and all of their interactions.   I am included as being part of the man.   IMHO, we're all the man.   So, sometimes it is true that you can keep yourself down and sometimes it is true that others can keep you and.   Sometimes it can be a combination of both.   To me, whomever or whatever is keeping one down it is the reaction that counts.   

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Re: Responsibility
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2012, 09:17:11 PM »
I don't prescribe to or agree with all the various iterations of mitigating circumstances of "victimhood" .

The victims of murder , rape or the victims of the concentration camps in Nazi Germany weren't "responsible" for their circumstances.
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Re: Responsibility
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2012, 09:20:22 PM »
Hi cubedemon - welcome to CC.  

Ok, a few points here that are just covering the surface so to speak

First and foremost - your primary premise is that children/students are like sheep with their paths forged for them (. i.e. molded).   That may on some level be true for some public school systems but it definitely is not the blanket statement you have asserted.     There are tremendous factors that come into play, the primary being the internal and external assets available for the child/student, in their home, school and community (http://www.georgetownproject.org/home/assets.htm).    There are those who claim external assets play heavily on internal assets, but it just ain't that easy.     My biggest beef with social programs is that they address one area and one area only.   Take welfare for instance - money is provided for housing, food and medical coverage - all external assets, which are basic necessities with the focus on internal assets not only ignored, but absolutely shunned when groups attempt to address them (drug testing and accountability for example).    Yeah that is a program just destined to fail.

As for the accessability to the law prior to there being the expectation the letter of the law will be followed?   You certainly have a fascinating topic and have made some good points as it relates to individuals with disabilities.  Convincing?  it could be - but you need a lot of work to get there.  

Just my two cents.


I will have to think about what you say but the things you say makes logical sense.   Help does need to be comprehensive.   Wow, I read some of this and it truthfully shows that I think differently than most people.  

This quote says it right here

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It's about relationships. Asset building is about helping people build good relationships with children and teenagers. Peter Benson of Search Institute says, "It's time to move beyond programs to figure out practical, easy ways more adults (other than professionals) can get involved in helping young people thrive."


For a long time, I did not know that relationships was the axiom of American society.   My first question is what are the rules concerning the system?   How does the system work?   My natural tendency is not look at other people, relationships, and their emotional state but looking for rules, regulations and procedues.   I am working on this and for me it is difficult.  I am making progress.   My natural tendency is to see society as a gigantic computer or machine with parts interacting in it.  

I am noticing "religious community" as well.   I look at the bible as being a system of rules and God as having a set of properties.   It is very difficult for me to understand how one has a relationship with God.  On the positive value called honesty what happens if honesty hurts someone like their feelings?   A woman will ask a man if she looks fat.   If one was always honest wouldn't it be dishonest to say she wasn't when she really was?   These are values that seem to contradict and seem inconsistent.  

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Re: Responsibility
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2012, 09:22:57 PM »
I don't prescribe to or agree with all the various iterations of mitigating circumstances of "victimhood" .

The victims of murder , rape or the victims of the concentration camps in Nazi Germany weren't "responsible" for their circumstances.

Exactly my point!!!!! They weren't responsible for their circumstances.   There are some cases that victimhood must exist.   I thought you were denying that any victimhood existed and that any victimhood should exist.   Did I misunderstand what was stated? 

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Re: Responsibility
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2012, 09:26:33 PM »
Hi, new guy!

 :II:

I read your introduction post. Welcome to the Conservative Cave.

I'll offer a little advice, but I won't proofread or correct you. Think about these suggestions:

Before you write a paper, ask yourself some questions. You may choose to write them down, along with the answers.

1. What do I want to say?
2. Who am I talking to?
3. Do I need to do any research before I begin?
4. What are the barriers to communication?
5. How do I break down those barriers?

Your thesis statement should be a clearly written, declarative sentence which is free of ambiguity. The Army term for it is "BLUF"- bottom line up front. The reader should be able to read the thesis statement alone and know exactly what you are talking about. An example from the world of medicine would be, "Handwashing after toileting reduces the transmission of e. coli bacteria from lunch ladies to school children."

Keep your thesis statement in mind as you write, to help you stay focused. Some people write down the thesis statement and tape it to the monitor.

The first paragraph repeats the thesis in more detail, and places it in context. The reader should be able to read the first paragraph and know why the situation in the thesis statement exists.

If you imagine your paper as a pyramid, it may help. If you cut off the bottom of a pyramid, you still have a pyramid- just a shorter one. In your paper, the last part (except for the very last paragraph) has the details to round out the readers' understanding of your message.

Wrap it up with a paragraph which restates your thesis, and say goodnight, Gracie.

Hope that helps.

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Re: Responsibility
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2012, 09:33:20 PM »
Exactly my point!!!!! They weren't responsible for their circumstances.   There are some cases that victimhood must exist.   I thought you were denying that any victimhood existed and that any victimhood should exist.   Did I misunderstand what was stated? 

Yeppers.

There are true victims of circumstance & created/excused 'Victims" due primarily of their own doing. I don't believe any of it has to do with lack of Laws and/or regulation but more so a lack of morality or taking responsibility for ones own actions.  Society may bear some responsibility in ensuring the so called Safety net but not a hammock.

Who are we to judge, hopefully a just and moral society.
It is said that branches draw their life from the vine. Each is separate yet all are one as they share one life giving stem . The Bible tells us we are called to a similar union in life, our lives with the life of God. We are incorporated into him; made sharers in his life. Apart from this union we can do nothing.