http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=268x434Oh my.
This bonfire was lit two years ago, but was still burning two months ago.
I'm not copying-and-pasting the whole bonfire, but one is struck by the dry, reasoned, intellectualism of the hunting primitives, versus the screaming gibberish of the anti-hunting primitives.
For the record, franksolich doesn't hunt, for various reasons, but franksolich thinks if other people wish to hunt, well, it's okay, no big deal.
Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-14-06 02:29 PM
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Stupid Anti-hunting people.
I have been disgusted lately with all the hunting threads with DUers calling all us hunters "murderers of poor, innocent, cute animals," and at the same time why wonder why people wonder why rural people vote Repug.
stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-14-06 02:31 PM
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1. Here We Go Again
Flame Bait
bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-14-06 02:45 PM
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5. Yeah - I can see how expressing ones opinion would force you to go vote republican.
Yes - in a few isolated pockets of the country, where the roads and supermarkets are few - a warm dead animal spells dinner. I would wager that many of those areas lack internet connections too.
Not that I begrudge your right to hunt - its just that I personally find it repulsive. I am on no anti-hunting crusade and neither are many who find killing repuslive.
But in general, and I am guessing on the conservative side here, that for 75% or better of the country hunting (also known as killing wild animals, or in Cheney's case, not so wild) cannot be justified on the basis of "putting food on the table." Not in the year 2006 in 75% of the country anyway.
If that's enough to make someone vote republican, than I would guess that there is something else going on with the hunters (wild animal killers).
on edit: Not that I begrudge....
ruralmom (45 posts) Mon Apr-16-07 11:16 AM
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34. Me too
I can't see any reason to kill any animal.
I came here to discuss ways rural people can help us take the whitehouse. If you want to talk about murdering animal. I'll go elsewhere.
kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-07-08 07:16 PM
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39. I can't see any reason why humans should be PROHIBITED from killing other animals. We are omnivores. We are NOT herbivores.
Name another species on earth that we try to keep from eating what nature designed it to eat.
Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-14-06 02:54 PM
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7. You have got to wonder about a person that will snuff out.........
the life of another living, breathing creature for 'sport'. What if the tables were turned? What is YOUR life worth?
MikeStl (121 posts) Thu Mar-16-06 12:01 PM
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14. I just get irritated with it being called a sport
I look at a sport as something someone derives enjoyment from. There is nothing enjoyable about killing a living creature no matter how much of a sport it is made out to be. I think the Daily Show did a pretty good job last night of making these hunters that shoot at caged animals look like idiots.
Pontificator (3 posts) Wed Apr-26-06 05:04 PM
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17. Yeah or nay...
I would suspect that all of us could merit being better informed of the other side's positions.
Myself, I paid my way through college guiding people on duck and goose hunts in SE Texas (Jefferson/Chambers/Liberty counteis), making me the 3rd generation of my family to work as an outfitter.
It's in my family's blood. Indeed, I wouldn't know what life is like w/o being able to hunt...what Kuhn call's "incommensurable" I say is unimaginable. But that's not being critical, it's a simple admission that I'm unable to be a part of a world that didn't shape me and my current Lebensform.
One of the most formative times out in the field was when I was approached in the middle of a hunt by some PETA members. I invited them into the blind, gave them some coffee, and made a quid pro quo with them that if they left me alone right now, I'd buy them breakfast at a small choke and puke in Sabine Pass. They agreed, and throughout our conversation we reached a level of respect for one another's position that wouldn't have been possible if we hadn't committed to actually listening respectfully to one another. To this day, the 3 of us exchange greetings on our respective birthdays despite 12 years now having passed.
What they heard from me, and what everyone who asks hears, is what I was taught and learned in countless marshes and ricefields about Creation and our place in it, and respect for others I consider to be far superior than anything I learned as a philosophy major, a seminary grad, and now a lawyer. Don't get me wrong: I've learned a lot inside the academy, out in the parish, and in the courtroom, but my being able to pay attention to what's important and what's merely collateral background noise was burned into me long ago.
Eventually, if one spends enough time in the wild, they will begin to feel really, really small and insignificant. A feeling, I might add, that everyone needs to experience at some point in their lives if for no other reason that to knock us down a notch both individually and as a Liberal society.
Nowadays I rarely bring my gun in the field for my own purposes, choosing instead to teach and watch my 2 (soon to be 3) boys and make sure the learn the deep respect for God's good Creation that I was taught, and to shoot back-up so as to eliminate any chance of losing game (a most unforgiveable sin in my book; with me, you do not continue the hunt until all avenues of recovery have been exhausted). If done right I suspect and hope my sons will come to realize that we humans are NOT in control. In fact, just the opposite: the more we try to manipulate Nature, the more we get what we deserve.
Witness what happened to NOLA last August in contrast to NOLA actually being spared if we, as humans, hadn't taken upon ourselves to lock, canal, and dam every channel in the MS delta, thereby cutting off the revitalization and continual silting of SE LA coastal wetlands....wetlands being nature's number 1 defense against inland coastal flooding.
Most hunters I know, myself included, only kill what we eat. Period. No one I know personally kills "just because it's there," but I do recognize that there are "game hogs" who measure success in the field and a good time contingent up their killing a limit...or more. It sickens me to hear them refer to themselves as hunters because they're not, in any sense of the word, a hunter. Someone above referenced canned hunts such as the one DICK went on. I and everyone I know steadfastly refuses to call the fiasco that DICK went on as "hunting" even in the most perjorative sense of the word. That's just a chickenshit meat haul fit only for someone who is not immoral, but rather a completely amoral person (immoral assumes the agent knows right from wrong and did wrong; amoral is a term for someone wholly devoid of morals). It's both ironic and fitting that DICK would be exposed as the turd he is in that context.
Btw, for those who don't hunt and eat meat: enjoy those steroids and antibiotics that are pumped into domesticated, for food animals. As for me and my family, we'll stick to the lean, fat free, mostly organically fed fowl, deer, and hogs that make their way to our freezer and eventually our plates.
Of course, that's after we've given thanks for our harvest to the proper authority.
Don't knock it until you've actually listened to someone, and make sure they do the same. Otherwise, you're just cheating yourself and limiting your own chance at growing a little wiser than you were the day before.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
I don't think the nocturnally foul one here, who believes man can destroy the eart--er, planet--is going to appreciate the boldened comment above.
vitariva (5 posts) Fri Jun-16-06 01:45 PM
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24. But why do you have to kill animals and teach your children to kill animals to understand what you understand about yourself and the natural world?
IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-22-06 02:50 PM
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26. I assume you're a complete vegetarian then???
If not, then you're being an outright hypocrite. After all, those steaks and chicken breasts don't grow on trees, pre-wrapped in cellophane.
Children should be exposed to death, and not left to believe that the world is a touchy-feely place where nothing ever gets hurt. Death is a part of the life cycle, something completely natural. Sheltering ourselves from death is what removes us from nature, and ultimately ends up in our harming it through our ignorance and fear of it.
I remember when I was a child my grandparents used to raise beef cattle -- we'd slaughter one every year for our beef. As for chickens, we'd raise them every summer and I'd be woken up in late August to help slaughter the chickens with my parents and grandparents. Both of these activities gave me a much greater appreciation of eating meat as an adult, a healthy respect for the animal that provides my sustenance.
Hunting is much the same way. I used to hunt -- and the reason I stopped has nothing to do with killing, but more because freezing my ass off in a deer blind isn't my idea of a good time. I believe that hunting can do much more to instill a healthy respect for the cycles of life than most activities homo modernus currently engages in.
Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-10-06 02:50 PM
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28. Two nights ago.
I was sitting on my porch with a full moon rising on the horizon. In the apple orchard, there was an elk trumpeting. I love the elk. I was listening to him making his call for a few minutes. And then from the opposite side of my property about fifteen minutes later came another trumpeting sound. But it wasn't an elk. It was someone with an elk calling whistle. Here I was in the center of this. My beloved elk on one side, and some dork on the other side. The guy was calling this elk so he could kill it. I don't have polite words to describe how I feel about the number of people versus the number of remaining animals.
plantwomyn Donating Member (438 posts) Fri Mar-07-08 01:14 PM
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38. They aren't stupid.
They have a right to an opinion.
If rural people vote Repug because of "Stupid Anti-hunting people" who's really being STUPID?
My BIG problem with deer hunters is the cull method used by SOME hunters. Dead or dying dear along the abandoned RR tracks and elsewhere here in IN. Had an acquaintance tell me proudly about his son's first hunt and how it only took him THREE kills to tag a dear with nice antlers. The LAWS should be changed. If you shoot it tag it.
I agree about the shotgun, nice and loud and small shot or blanks leave little lead pollution.
