Rmoney WANTED Obama To Attack Him, But Obama Outsmarted Him

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hoppinBroccoli (1,822 posts)

Rmoney WANTED Obama To Attack Him, But Obama Outsmarted Him
I know there's been much discussion on why Obama didn't hammer Rmoney with the 47% thing and all the other "red meat" gaffes Rmoney has made over the past few months. Place me firmly in the "Obama was right NOT to bring those things up" camp. Not only am I pretty sure that Rmoney had rehearsed, canned "zingers" for all of them, I'm now pretty much convinced that Rmoney was actually BAITING Obama, hoping he'd bring them up.

As I was watching my recording of the debate a couple days after the fact, I noticed that at the end of the debate, Rmoney got desperate and hung a slow-breaking curve over the heart of the plate, just daring the President to take a cut at it. Towards the end, Rmoney repeated one of Ted Strickland's lines from the Convention. When discussing budgetary priorities, he said something to the effect of, "Where you put your money is an indicator of where your loyalties lie." Ted Strickland used that line as a segue into a zinger about Rmoney's offshore accounts, but I'm convinced Rmoney said it on purpose, hoping Obama would seize on it in the exact same way, thus opening the door for one of his pre-rehearsed, canned "zingers." But Obama didn't take the bait.

Now, I suppose Rmoney MIGHT have said it, honestly believing it was a great line to attack Obama, and not knowing how the exact same line was used at the Convention. And I suppose there's a possibility that Obama let the slow, hanging curve go right over the plate, not realizing he'd let a pitch right in his wheelhouse go by. But what are the chances that either one of those are true? Do we REALLY think that no one in the Rmoney campaign watched the Democratic Convention, and that his use of that phrase came out of the blue? And do we HONESTLY believe that Obama just didn't catch the fact that he said it, and that it matched up perfectly to something Ted Strickland said just a few weeks ago?

No, I believe that Rmoney was HOPING that Obama would respond with the Ted Strickland line about his offshore accounts. And I think Obama outsmarted him by NOT responding the way he'd hoped. But for all the people who are upset that Obama didn't bring up all the controversial ammunition he has against Rmoney in the first debate, I have this one question: How many people who would tune in to watch a Presidential debate do you think DON'T ALREADY KNOW about all those things? Do you REALLY think that someone would watch a debate, and an hour into it go, "What?!?!?!? What's he talking about? Mitt Romney said WHAT?!?!?!?" All Obama did by NOT bringing them up is fail to give Rmoney a chance to explain them away (which I'm sure he spent about 50 of his 55 preparation hours preparing to do).

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Star Member NYC_SKP (43,939 posts)
2. Yes. A handful of us at DU saw this immediately.

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Others are still debating it.

Star Member Tx4obama (22,734 posts)

8. The next Obama-Romney debate: Obama will be awesome and Romney will suck

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Their next debate (their 2nd) will be a 'town-hall' and president Obama is awesome at those,
Romney not so much because he doesn't connect to people.

And their 3rd debate will be on Foreign Policy (not domestic issue like the first debate)

Upcoming debate details here: http://www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com/2012-debate-schedule/2012-presidential-debate-schedule/

MotherPetrie (215 posts)
9. Sorry but I don't buy this premise.

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The perception in most quarters is that Obama blew the debate and you're saying he did it *deliberately*?

I sincerely hope not.

Seriously, these after-the-fact rationalizations of Obama's poor performance are depressing and IMO seriously divorced from reality.

Newbie pissing in everyone's cornflakes.   BASTARD!!!

Star Member Doctor_J (24,713 posts)
61. So if Rmoney comes out next time with another batch of lies,

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the president should just err.. and ummm... and look down at the podium for another 90 minutes? Try to talk about their common ground?

Like I say, the denial is breath-taking.

 

Julien Sorel (6,027 posts)
23. So Romney is surging in the polls...

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but Obama "threw him off his game." Romney was on his last legs. Money was beginning to dry up, people had given up on him, he was becoming the butt of jokes, and Obama "threw him off his game" by allowing Romney to kick the shit out of him, and bring the election back to life. It was a masterstroke so Byzantine that no one but the brilliant Obama and his brilliant followers understand it. Or ever will.

Leave Obama alone!! 

geek tragedy (19,259 posts)
13. Ugh, please. Obama realizes he stunk the place up. So should we. nt

Star Member Cha (115,289 posts)
19. Precisely!

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"So, the "conversation" and turn to the positive fell flat, but the refusal to allow Romney maneuverability on the three major sticking points was actually very well done, and required tremendous patience and discipline. The fact that Romney went pathetically shuffling on to Hannity to give his pre-arranged apology for the 47% comment the next day was proof positive that the Romney camp was surprised and angry not to have been able to do that during the debate."

Word.

Star Member Raine (19,200 posts)
34. Absolutely agree with you, Obama played three dimensional chess and played Mitt like violin. nt.

Sing it sistah!

graham4anything (768 posts)
41. I posted about 30 threads on how Obama won the debate by winning the election 11/7/12

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Obama roped the dopes again
Obama does play chess 9 steps ahead (the Bush's famously played at least 3-5 steps and Obama outdoes the Bush's every time, witness Jeb not running this year because of it)

Obama football analogy spot on- it's 42 to 0 late in the fourth quarter, even if the other side scores 3 or 4 tds its still a win for Obama

Obama baseball analogy- once the winning team(Obama) has a 10-0 lead and is pitching a no-hitter, once that first hit happens, matter little if there are six more hits after, with a ten run lead, the other team would have to score 9 to make it close and if they only score 3, who gives a shit anyhow, its 10-3

golf analogy- Tiger Woods leads by 7 on the 18th hole, and every other player already finished who is in 2nd to 20th place.Do you think Tiger is going to go +8 on the final hole?
lol

I just can't decide if Mitt is Clubber Lang or Drago in Rocky 3 or 4.
Drago killed Apollo Creed, and Obama, oops, mean Rocky destroyed Drago. Red Sonya didn't know what hit her husband.

And I do know- i was thoroughly ashamed of some DU'ers(IMHO) debate night and in the days since. Totally ashamed.

But I also realize some of those posters might have been plants to demoralize as is and has always been done.
And I am totally ashamed of Ed and Rachel and the others who threw Obama under the tracks.

And I have only love and admiration for Al Sharpton and Joy Ann Reid both on MSNBC, who were the only two who got it right on tv. Congrats to both of them. May she move up in the pundit world and get more air time.

Woooweee, the Obama love is a flowing now!! 

bowens43 (13,472 posts)
42. Obama outsmarted him by losing, interesting strategy......

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I am so sick of seeing so many here try to spin Obama's abysmal performance into a win.

yes mitt lies about everything but that's irrelevant to the low information voters..

Make the haters stop!!11!1     

Star Member Doctor_J (24,713 posts)
44. Wow. The denial is breathtaking

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he got trounced, and took a major hit for it. This was not only easy to see while it was happening, but the polls were clear. And no amount of ads that most people will fast-forward through anyway is going to offset all of that disaster.

Stop lying to yourself about what happened. It is not good for the cause

Very large.  Very delicious campfire.   

[Freeper]

Come November 7th 0bama will have outsmarted RMoney by losing the election. 

[DumbAss Tanker]

Seems like there are an awful lot of DUmmies who don't think it was 20-dimensional chess after all.  Far too many to tombstone them for doubting his Obamal infallibility, in fact.

[thundley4]

Star Member Cha (115,289 posts)

Where has that DUmmie been hiding?

[AllosaursRus]

Come November 7th 0bama will have outsmarted RMoney by losing the election.  

Exactly! I swear the ****er is TRYIN' to lose! Maybe his pet gorilla wants to go home to the zoo!

What else would ya call Chicago?

[Freeper]

Exactly! I swear the ****er is TRYIN' to lose!

Yep, he will lose on purpose then let Mitt screw up everything for 4 years then return in 2016 and pull a Grover Cleveland. 

[jukin]

Yep, 0bama so outsmarted him that he lost the debate by an unprecedented and record ass whuppin' of 55 points amongst Americans.  Chalk up another historical achievement for our first half black president.

[thundley4]

Exactly! I swear the ****er is TRYIN' to lose! Maybe his pet gorilla wants to go home to the zoo!

What else would ya call Chicago?

You might have missed it during your absence, but rumor has it that the Obama's are buying a mansion in Hawaii.  The Chicago winters are too cold.

[delilahmused]

I know! I know! 0bama outsmarted him by losing so he'll look extra awesome in the next debate because it's a town hall and you can never hear too many "uhs" when someone's answering a question. It'll make him seem all intellectual and junk!

Cindie

[WinOne4TheGipper]

Do the DUmmies really think Romney watched their parade of failed governors?

[Schadenfreude]

Come November 7th 0bama will have outsmarted RMoney by losing the election. 

 

[Duke Nukum]

Taxmageddon happens January 1 and the fact nobody did anything by Sept. nearly guarantees a deepening of the recession.

If Romney wins, he's going to have a very tough time and the Prims are going to be all, "Is the economy fixed yet?" starting the minute after he puts his hand on the bible.

[Jasonw560]

I know! I know! 0bama outsmarted him by losing so he'll look extra awesome in the next debate because it's a town hall and you can never hear too many "uhs" when someone's answering a question. It'll make him seem all intellectual and junk!

Cindie

I wonder what the total "uh"s will be for this debate. I think there were about 50 in the last one. Hell, I stutter and don't do that bad on my bad days!

[BlueStateSaint]

Taxmageddon happens January 1 and the fact nobody did anything by Sept. nearly guarantees a deepening of the recession.

If Romney wins, he's going to have a very tough time and the Prims are going to be all, "Is the economy fixed yet?" starting the minute after he puts his hand on the bible.

He'll be working on it at 12:01 PM of January 20th, though. 

[Kyle Ricky]

Yep, he will lose on purpose then let Mitt screw up everything for 4 years then return in 2016 and pull a Grover Cleveland. 

Won't happen. Hillary is running in 2016. Obama won't make it past her next time.

[BlueStateSaint]

Won't happen. Hillary is running in 2016. Obama won't make it past her next time.

Dandy Andy Cuomo is planning to, as well.

[Karin]

Tx4obama (22,734 posts)

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8. The next Obama-Romney debate: Obama will be awesome and Romney will suck

Their next debate (their 2nd) will be a 'town-hall' and president Obama is awesome at those,

Remember that town hall early on in the term, where a lady asked a question, and Obama droned  
for a full fourteen minutes, saying absolutely nothing?  Remember that other lady who said "I'm tired of defending you."  How'd he handle that?  

[DumbAss Tanker]

Won't happen. Hillary is running in 2016. Obama won't make it past her next time.

I wouldn't bet on that, there is going to be a catfight of legendary proportions among the Democrats for the 2016 nomination if Romney wins, and probably with some surprising additions and deletions, since running against an incumbent is a whole different deal than 2008 was, so some will run to it and some will run from it.

[Karin]

Hillary will be 69.  She's tired as hell from this SOS job.  I can't see a majority seeing her as a vibrant, energetic leader of The Free World.  She stumbles into appearances, scowling, looking like she's exhausted from cleaning the house.  Optics matter.

[AllosaursRus]

Yep, he will lose on purpose then let Mitt screw up everything for 4 years then return in 2016 and pull a Grover Cleveland. 

That little excerpt will send ya ta hell Freep! heh, heh!

Bite your tongue and I will forgive ya! Once this guy gets shown the woodshed, I hope he drops off the face of the earth!

[GOBUCKS]

Hillary will be 69.  She's tired as hell from this SOS job.  I can't see a majority seeing her as a vibrant, energetic leader of The Free World.  She stumbles into appearances, scowling, looking like she's exhausted from cleaning the house.  Optics matter.

By then, the Hildebeast will look like Golda Meir's twin sister.

[Freeper]

That little excerpt will send ya ta hell Freep! heh, heh!

Bite your tongue and I will forgive ya! Once this guy gets shown the woodshed, I hope he drops off the face of the earth!

Just telling you what the DUmmies will say. lol

[Chris_]

I heard her speaking the other day... she sounded terrible.

[AllosaursRus]

By then, the Hildebeast will look like Golda Meir's twin sister.

Hell, she already looks like she's been rode hard and put away wet! She's aged 10 years in the last 3! She's lookin' like one of them homeless gals down on 2nd and Larimer in Denver! For those that don't know Larimer Square is where all the pawn shops were, so it collects beggars and thieves like fly paper! Maybe they've cleaned it up a little, but it used to be the armpit of downtown Denver.

[BlueStateSaint]

Hell, she already looks like she's been rode hard and put away wet! She's aged 10 years in the last 3!

If you had to defend the foreign policy of Teh Obamessiah, would it age you?  Probably so.