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Offline dutch508

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Jimmy Carter shows his nutz
« on: May 27, 2008, 05:54:56 PM »
Ooops, I meant 'he's' nutz...


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ckramer (1000+ posts)      Mon May-26-08 03:13 PM
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Jimmy Carter says Israel had 150 nuclear weapons
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Israel has 150 nuclear weapons in its arsenal, former President Jimmy Carter said yesterday, while arguing that the US should talk directly to Iran to persuade it to drop its nuclear ambitions.

His remark, made at the Hay-on-Wye festival which promotes current affairs books and literature, is startling because Israel has never admitted having nuclear weapons, let alone how many, although the world assumes their existence. Nor do US officials deviate in public from that Israeli line. Carter, who has immersed himself since his presidency in Israeli-Palestinian relations, was highly critical of Israeli settlers on the West Bank, and of Israel's refusal to talk to elected officials of the Islamic party Hamas, although he said that Israel's security was his prime concern.

Carter, whose presidency was dominated by the 444-day siege in which Iran held 52 American diplomats hostage, said "my advice to the US would be to start talking to Iran now" to persuade it to drop its nuclear work. But he cited Israel's nuclear arsenal - and those of the US, Russia, China, Britain and France - in arguing that Iran would find it almost impossible to develop, in secret, many weapons and the missiles to deliver them.

Read more: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east...


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So the question from Iranians is - why can't we have some?

What is sadder than no one responding to your thread? You doing it first.
 
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ckramer (1000+ posts)      Mon May-26-08 03:14 PM
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1. Obama should name Carter Secretary of States!
 
Why not?


Maybe being slapped down by DUmmies:

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mac2  (1000+ posts)     Mon May-26-08 04:50 PM
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14. He was not a good President why name him Secretary of State? 
 Edited on Mon May-26-08 04:53 PM by mac2
He served one term.

Read: Lying for Empire. The Presidents of the US lying to the people.
 

rewriting history. It's what the Kremlin wants you to do:

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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts)      Mon May-26-08 08:41 PM
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40. He was a wonderful president....the problems he inherited were
 almost as bad as the ones that Barack will inherit.


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provis99  (1000+ posts)     Mon May-26-08 06:29 PM
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24. what Orwellian thoughts you have
 Israel has started most of the wars in the Middle East since its founding. Its fighter-bombers constantly attack civilians with rockets and missles and bomb refugee camps in Lebanon and Palestine. You sound as goofy as the right wingers advocating support for the war on Iraq.


because if you rewrite it, then it must be true.

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tabasco  (1000+ posts)       Mon May-26-08 06:34 PM
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25. I guess you missed that whole Lebanon war.
 Your statement reveals your ignorance.

Israel fired artillery into civilian areas daily during the latest war on Lebanon, with the sole intent to terrorize the population.

The stupid brutality caused outrage in Israel.

You also have no clue to the effects of 150 nuclear missiles.

Stop embarrassing yourself and educate yourself.

 
Funny. I remember seeing video of hezzbulla rockets being fired from civilain areas at Israel...

But wait a moment...gator has a DU sock puppet:

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RainDog  (1000+ posts)      Mon May-26-08 07:37 PM
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30. Israel attacked Lebanon last year
 were you asleep or what? Israelis provoked that attack - AND THEY LOST.

but as far as Israel itself -

check into the Balfour Declaration of 1917-

The Balfour Declaration of 1917 (dated November 2, 1917) was a classified formal statement of policy by the British government stating that the British government "view with favour" the establishment in Palestine of "a national home for the Jewish people" on the conditions that "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine" or "the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

--this is obviously not the case, and therefore the British empire's stated objective of territory they held at the time has been violated repeatedly. Israel has refused to honor its boundaries, as well. The British Mandate further denied rights to Palestinian Arabs living in the area designated as Israel any right to self-government... because empires do that to ppl they think are less than they are. The American genocide of Native Americans comes to mind.
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Zionists worked with Nazis b/c they hoped it would help their cause, btw. -- the goal was a nation-wide ghetto for the Jews. what a worthwhile goal! a goal which fundies share b/c they only support Israel so that god can nuke them for not being Christians. what a great justification for U.S. foreign policy!

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemitism/nazisupp...

The Zionist so-called “World Jewish Congress” declared war on the country of Germany,<12> <13> knowing that it would affect their Jewish brothers residing in that country who would be left without protection. When others tried to help them escape to other countries, the Zionist movement took actions which caused those countries to lock their doors to Jewish immigration (read more in the books, “Perfidy” and “Min Hametzer”). As a result of the Zionist influence five ships of Jewish refugees from Germany arriving in the United States were turned back to the gas chambers.

Hannah Arendt also talked about Zionist collaborators with the Nazis in her seminal work, Eichmann in Jerusalem.
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so, I'm curious. where does your view of Israel come from? how did you arrive at the pov that Israel has never done anything but suffer the Palestinians?

I don't know a solution for the issue b/c we have to start where we are now. However, any resolution is severely hampered by unrealistic attitudes in the U.S. that the poor Israelis are the total victims while they cut down olive trees on Palestinian land and create situations designed to treat Palestinians like 2nd class citizens in their homeland... because it is there homeland too.


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Re: Jimmy Carter shows his nutz
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2008, 06:02:02 PM »
Linky?  :banghead:  :beer:
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Re: Jimmy Carter shows his nutz
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2008, 06:14:38 PM »
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Re: Jimmy Carter shows his nutz
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2008, 06:39:16 PM »
Personally I think Jimma' has lost what"s left of his mind.
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Re: Jimmy Carter shows his nutz
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2008, 07:01:39 PM »
14% inflation.
12% unemployment.
22% mortgages rates.
Mid-wifed modern day islamic terrorism.
Gave the Panama Canal to the chicoms.

This is the legacy of what the DUmbasses think is a great president.
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Re: Jimmy Carter shows his nutz
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2008, 08:40:01 PM »
Bitter liberals do not age gracefully.
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Re: Jimmy Carter shows his nutz
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2008, 07:33:03 AM »
I wonder if this is from a classified briefing (which former high-level officials including Generals are allowed to get long after they retire or leave office)?  More importantly, how could the moron think that divulging this tidbit could possibly have a positive effect on the situation?  A main reason the Israelis have been pointedly 'Neither confirm nor deny" on this subject for the entire life of their program is to preclude any parity argument being put forth in favor of proliferation. 
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Re: Jimmy Carter shows his nutz
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2008, 01:22:20 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on May 28, 2008, 07:33:03 AM
I wonder if this is from a classified briefing (which former high-level officials including Generals are allowed to get long after they retire or leave office)?  More importantly, how could the moron think that divulging this tidbit could possibly have a positive effect on the situation?  A main reason the Israelis have been pointedly 'Neither confirm nor deny" on this subject for the entire life of their program is to preclude any parity argument being put forth in favor of proliferation. 

Precisely.....but we all know that "parity" for the poor Iranians is what Jimmy is really after here.......when he takes care of them, he can move on to the "poor Palestinians"....

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Re: Jimmy Carter shows his nutz
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2008, 02:26:06 PM »
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ckramer (1000+ posts)      Mon May-26-08 03:14 PM
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1. Obama should name Carter Secretary of States!
 
Why not?

Of all 57 States?   :p
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