LynneSin primitive sensitive about something

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018197077

Oh my.

LynneSin seems rather, uh, sensitive about the issue of women's sizes.

Anybody have any idea why?

LynneSin (88,161 posts)   Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:19 PM

A RANT: Can folks stop calling these women 'Plus-size models'!!!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/19/robyn-lawley-plus-size-ralph-lauren-model_n_1897703.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

Robyn Lawley Becomes First Plus Size Ralph Lauren Model

Plus-size shapes have been inching further and further into the mainstream, from magazine covers like Vogue Italia and Glamour to high-end designer lines like Burberry. But Robyn Lawley, one of the most successful plus-size models in the biz, is going where no plus-size stunner has gone before: Ralph Lauren.

Lawley announced her new gig as the first plus-size model for Ralph Lauren on "Good Morning America" today. The size 12 model, who stands at a statuesque 6 feet 2 inches tall, spoke to "GMA" about her journey to get here -- how she initially worked as a "straight" model at age 16, felt the pressure to diet and change her body, and eventually hit her stride as a plus-size mode at 19.

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This woman is NOT a plus-size model. She is a NORMAL size model. Her size & weight are way more mainstream than these starved looking waifs they have been using for years. And yes, I know there are some people out there who can't help but be size 0 even if they eat everything in site. But size 12-16 is about the norm you're going to find for the rest of us who haven't hit the genetic jackpot for modeling.

The girl they picked as the model is absolutely stunning and yet to call her 'plus-size' makes her sound like she's some unhealthy beast of a woman whose diet consists of all you can eat junkfood everyday.

To me 'plus-size' is insultive. It's the fashion industry telling us that if you aren't size 0-4 you're not beautiful. Young girls in school see words like 'plus-size' and it has such a negative overtone that leads so many to diseases like anorexia and bulumnia.

If the fashion industry wants to promote healthy body types like Robin Lawley, the size 12 model hired by Ralph Lauren, then start using words like regular-size model or healthy-size model or just call her a model. But get ride of this 'plus-size' word because as someone who really is plus size (i'm just above that 14-16), it is offensive.

Thank you.

Oh this is Ralph Lauren's so-called 'PLUS-SIZE' model
 
after which a photograph of a model

It's a large campfire, so only a few primitive comments, selected at random:

LynneSin (88,161 posts)   Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:25 PM

3. I think it would be best if they just dropped all prefixes

Because you are right - there are women that just stay superthin naturally and i don't want to be insultive to them either.

LynneSin (88,161 posts)   Fri Sep 21, 2012, 01:09 PM

8. Really??

A woman who is size 12 is hardly plus size. She's around the national average here in the USA. Plus size has always denoted a woman in the modeling industry outside the 0-4 size, which is far below the norm here in the USA.

Why do we even have to refer to her as 'plus-size'? Why can't we just call her a model? Why must we be all glee that Ralph Lauren or anyone happens to hire a model whose weight is more to the norm of everyday women?

The modeling industry has had a long history of turning perfectly healthy women into eating disorder walking sticks because of their insistance that these girls achieve a size that is difficult for most women to obtain. And for the young girls & women who read the magazines it builts alot of body insecurity.

Wouldn't it be better to just call them all models and stop trying to justify using someone who, although normal weighted for real life is still larger then fashion industry norms, 'plus-size'. Plus size is someone like me who shops in the women's department where there is a 'W' next to all my sizes.

Sure they the fashion industry can call them all they want but it just plays into that long-running standard that extreme thinness is the only thing deemed beautiful in the fashion industry. That's just outdated thinking.

LynneSin (88,161 posts)   Fri Sep 21, 2012, 02:03 PM

11. Well it is offensive

To alot of people. It also creates negative body images for many young women who see this as a negative. Maybe you don't follow fashion or the whims of a young girl who reads those magazines - who knows. But I've met girls who felt some reason that size 12 was 'fat' to them even when these girls were perfectly healthy and normal size. And I've seen those girls starve themselves because they didn't understand that size 2 isn't a normal size for the majority of people. Sure some girls are naturally that size and I don't judge them as being unhealthy but when a girl starves herself to near death just to get to that elusive 'size 2' then I have a problem.

I'm not asking that the fashion industry give positive names to the varions size models out there. I think what many people are asking is simply to NOT use the plus-size when referring to a perfectly health, normal size, normal weight woman. Just call them model - that's what they do.

Sorry, I thought I was posting this at a website where we value political correctness. Hell let's just toss it all out the window and bring back all the negative stereotypes out there because we need to cater to people too lazy to bother or recognize the problem with negative words.

LynneSin (88,161 posts)  Fri Sep 21, 2012, 02:48 PM

19. I can't even believe I'm having his conversation with anyone at DU

Have you always been rude to people not like you?

LynneSin (88,161 posts)   Fri Sep 21, 2012, 02:23 PM

15. that's the problem

I respect the fact that i am a plus-size woman. I shop in the women's department and i"m about 400lbs from being able to get back into the regular size misses department.

But because Plus-size is attached to women who are above normal size weight or obese, it sounds bad when used with a model who happens to be normal size, normal weight but bigger than the modeling industry's standard size of 0-4.

And for many young girls and women who follow fashion or watch shows like 'America's Next Top Model' - they see 'plus-size' as a negativity even when Tyra tries her best to make plus-size seem fabulous. That negative body image leads to alot of girls
developing bad eating habits - some that could possibly kill them.

LynneSin (88,161 posts)   Fri Sep 21, 2012, 02:49 PM

20. Even if you are 5'10 and size 4 I wouldn't assume you had an eating disorder

I'm 5-10 and use to wear size 6 for the longest time. Unfortunately I never had healthy eating habits and it caught up to me when I got older.

LynneSin (88,161 posts)   Fri Sep 21, 2012, 01:11 PM

9. When I was a healthy weight I was between size 14-16

And I looked good at that size.

I tried to get to a size 12 and I felt like I was starving all the time. I can't even imagine trying to get myself slimmer than that because not only would I have to give up eating in general but i would probably have to rule out most forms of exercize since that tends to bulk me up.

LynneSin (88,161 posts)   Fri Sep 21, 2012, 02:24 PM

16. Why can't we just call normal size normal?

Plus-size is for gals like me who are above normal weight and shop in the women's department.

Did you see the photo? Does that girl look like she has a weight issue?

LynneSin (88,161 posts)   Fri Sep 21, 2012, 02:59 PM

22. Are you kidding me?

First I'm even shocked to hear Jennifer Lawrence is size 2. She looks a bit curvy but normal weight.

That's what i thought about the model - she's perfect size.

LynneSin (88,161 posts)   Fri Sep 21, 2012, 04:12 PM

28. But as I said in my original rant I realize some people are naturally size 0-4

And i would never suggest calling them minus-size.

I'd rather we just call everyone normal.

But your last sentence does sum it up quite nicely. Unfortunately I have known girls that don't see it that way and felt that their size 12 was 'fat' simply because they would see or read about 'plus-size' models. The industry would do a world of good if they just dropped that term altogether.

Touchy, touchy, touchy.

[Chris_]

I've seen Lynne's pictures... I'm reminded of the joke about the dog and the pork chop.

[delilahmused]

Wow, I didn't know she was that big! I've never thought anything about the terms they use, though.

Cindie

[franksolich]

Wow, I didn't know she was that big! I've never thought anything about the terms they use, though.

Well, if she thinks she's got problems as a big woman, she's got no problems at all when compared with Vlada Mitty.

Think of how hard it must be, to find clothes that appropriately fit an oblate spheroid.

[dane]

LynneSin seems rather, uh, sensitive about the issue of women's sizes.

Anybody have any idea why?

To use one of the terms that DUmmies really like in order to explain her sensitivity - "That's HUGH!"

[delilahmused]

Well, if she thinks she's got problems as a big woman, she's got no problems at all when compared with Vlada Mitty.

Think of how hard it must be, to find clothes that appropriately fit an oblate spheroid.

I thought he was on a diet and losing weight. Did that not work out for him? Is The Biggest Loser still on?

Cindie

[franksolich]

I thought he was on a diet and losing weight. Did that not work out for him? Is The Biggest Loser still on?

Cindie

oblate spheroid = Vlada Mitty = nadinbrzezinski.

You're thinking of the Las Vegas Leviathan, and yes, that's still on.

[delilahmused]

oblate spheroid = Vlada Mitty = nadinbrzezinski.

You're thinking of the Las Vegas Leviathan, and yes, that's still on.

Oh, got it. They're so interchangeable sometimes.

Cindie

[franksolich]

Oh, got it. They're so interchangeable sometimes.

Cindie

Maybe you might know.

Just where would a woman who has the figure of a reverse hour-glass get clothes made to fit that way?

[delilahmused]

Maybe you might know.

Just where would a woman who has the figure of a reverse hour-glass get clothes made to fit that way?

Maybe here?  Actually, they do have plus size stores. Here's an online one...be careful, they DO have swimwear and lingerie sections: Making It Big.

Cindie

[franksolich]

Maybe here?  Actually, they do have plus size stores. Here's an online one...be careful, they DO have swimwear and lingerie sections: Making It Big.

Cindie

Oh man.

I went to the "intimates" on the second link you provided.

It blew the mind, trying to envision Vlada Mitty in any of that.

[Gina]

14-16 is getting obese.  I am a small 12 and am right on the obese line according to all that doctor table crap.     I am not obese whatsoever.  I am sure some of you that have seen my pics  know that. 

[franksolich]

14-16 is getting obese.  I am a small 12 and am right on the obese line according to all that doctor table crap.     I am not obese whatsoever.  I am sure some of you that have seen my pics  know that. 

You forget something, madam; I wouldn't care if you were 800 pounds.

<<sees nothing but beautiful people here on conservativecave.

<<plus automatically cuts weight off a woman (in my eyes) if she's borne children.

[Randy]

Are not the Lib's the torch bearers for the PC crap? Is not "Plus Size" PC for chunky, among other terms? It sounds to me like Lynne is turning away from the Darkside.  

[franksolich]

Are not the Lib's the torch bearers for the PC crap? Is not "Plus Size" PC for chunky, among other terms? It sounds to me like Lynne is turning away from the Darkside.  

Actually, she's turning into it.

She wants to ban the words.

[Ballygrl]

As a woman it's disgusting that size 12 is considered plus size. That model looks normal.

[Ballygrl]

BTW, isn't it amazing that industries that promote unhealthy thinness as being the norm ie Hollywood and the Fashion Industry, they're inhabited by leftists.

[Ballygrl]

I respect the fact that i am a plus-size woman. I shop in the women's department and i"m about 400lbs from being able to get back into the regular size misses department.

Is she really that big?

I remember going shopping for wedding dresses, I was a size 10 and I felt so fat because all the dresses they had to try on were size 6, wtf?

[Gina]

Is she really that big?

I remember going shopping for wedding dresses, I was a size 10 and I felt so fat because all the dresses they had to try on were size 6, wtf?

I was fat when I got married.  I am going to redo my wedding just so I can have that awesome dress

[franksolich]

Is she really that big?

I remember going shopping for wedding dresses, I was a size 10 and I felt so fat because all the dresses they had to try on were size 6, wtf?

I dunno, being a guy, I get confused by women's sizes.

Why can't women's clothes just have it the same way men's clothes do, the waist and length?

I have no idea the difference between a women's size 4 and a women's size 40.

[Gina]

I dunno, being a guy, I get confused by women's sizes.

Why can't women's clothes just have it the same way men's clothes do, the waist and length?

I have no idea the difference between a women's size 4 and a women's size 40.

Frank, you would be able to tell easily the difference between a size 4 and a size 40 (if there is even a size 40) 

Look at this woman, she is considered plus size 

[Karin]

I think that Nadine shops in the men's section.  W-50, L-20

I didn't read Lynne's thread, but she sure spent a lot of time on that rant. 

[BEG]

I have pretty much always been skinny except when I was on high dose prednisone. I got up to 142 (I'm 5'7"). While 142 is probably considered normal for my height, I looked terrible. I don't carry weight very well. It isn't spread through out my whole body, it just goes to selected areas and I look like I weigh a lot more than I did. Especially with the "moon face" from steroids.

I have weighed as little as 100 lbs when I was at my sickest and I looked so unhealthy. You could see every rib and my head looked too big or my body. I had the body of a boy.  I like my weight to be about 120-125, currently I'm stuck at 128. The only reason I am currently trying to lose an extra 5 lbs is because I have a shit load of jeans and I refuse to get rid of them and buy new ones. If I lost an extra 5 pounds they would fit me like they use to.

My cousin on the other hand would look sick at the same weight I am (she is the same height as me). I think it depends how your body is built and how you carry weight.

[Ballygrl]

I have pretty much always been skinny except when I was on high dose prednisone. I got up to 142 (I'm 5'7"). While 142 is probably considered normal for my height, I looked terrible. I don't carry weight very well. It isn't spread through out my whole body, it just goes to selected areas and I look like I weigh a lot more than I did. Especially with the "moon face" from steroids.

I have weighed as little as 100 lbs when I was at my sickest and I looked so unhealthy. You could see every rib and my head looked too big or my body. I had the body of a boy.  I like my weight to be about 120-125, currently I'm stuck at 128. The only reason I am currently trying to lose an extra 5 lbs is because I have a shit load of jeans and I refuse to get rid of them and buy new ones. If I lost an extra 5 pounds they would fit me like they use to.

My cousin on the other hand would look sick at the same weight I am (she is the same height as me). I think it depends how your body is built and how you carry weight.

I had to go on iron pills for 3 months, the Doctor said "I'm just warning you, you might gain a few pounds" well it had the opposite effect and my weight dropped to 135 size 8, I'm 5'8, I looked like I was emaciated. I have a picture and my legs look like toothpicks. I totally carry my weight different also and 135 is way too thin for me. Most men I know want normal sized women, they don't want the size 0 and size 2 women, and I get so fed-up with the leftist media and leftist industries promoting it.

[GOBUCKS]

i"m about 400lbs from being able to get back into the regular size misses department.

Enough said. This DUmmy is a jumbo version of the crazy bald dwarf.