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Offline Kyle Ricky

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Re: Obama leads among Jewish voters 70%-25%
« Reply #50 on: September 17, 2012, 06:19:04 PM »
What do you think it should be like to show an accurate assessment? 

Were you born ****ing stupid or did you have to practice at it?



With a question like Pandric asked, I am thinking he agrees with over sampling Dems.

For the love of Pete...  Stop feeding the damn troll.



I am just trying to be civil.  :popcorn:

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Re: Obama leads among Jewish voters 70%-25%
« Reply #51 on: September 17, 2012, 06:21:21 PM »
With a question like Pandric asked, I am thinking he agrees with over sampling Dems.

I am just trying to be civil.  :popcorn:

Yeah well...  You can take your civil, fold into sharp corners and shove it up your...

LOL...

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Re: Obama leads among Jewish voters 70%-25%
« Reply #52 on: September 17, 2012, 06:23:25 PM »
If they are sampling three groups (Independents, Dems, and Repubs), it should be 33% across the board.

33% independents, what are you smoking?

in 00 and 04 the independents were at 26% and the hope and change of 08 inspired them to turn out at 29%
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Re: Obama leads among Jewish voters 70%-25%
« Reply #53 on: September 17, 2012, 10:27:52 PM »
33% independents, what are you smoking?

in 00 and 04 the independents were at 26% and the hope and change of 08 inspired them to turn out at 29%

It is called making it fair. If there aren't 33% independents, they should sample whatever percentage of independents there are, and adjust the sample number of Repubs and Dems to even it out. Not over sample one party over another.

Note: There is a greater percentage of registered independents now than there was in 00, 04, and 08.

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Re: Obama leads among Jewish voters 70%-25%
« Reply #54 on: September 17, 2012, 10:49:58 PM »
It is called making it fair. If there aren't 33% independents, they should sample whatever percentage of independents there are, and adjust the sample number of Repubs and Dems to even it out. Not over sample one party over another.

Note: There is a greater percentage of registered independents now than there was in 00, 04, and 08.

Its not about "fairness" its about the truth and making a poll that will reflect who will show up in November. There just arent as many independents out there as republicans and democrats. You can do a phone poll and get a lot of independents but they dont show to the the poll that matters, the voting booth.

Here are the independent numbers since Reagan converted the "Reagan democrats" from independents to republicans

1976: 41%
1980: 23%
1984: 26%
1988: 26%
1992: 27%
1996: 22%
2000: 26%
2008: 26%
2009: 29%

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Re: Obama leads among Jewish voters 70%-25%
« Reply #55 on: September 17, 2012, 10:58:02 PM »
Its not about "fairness" its about the truth and making a poll that will reflect who will show up in November. There just arent as many independents out there as republicans and democrats. You can do a phone poll and get a lot of independents but they dont show to the the poll that matters, the voting booth.

Here are the independent numbers since Reagan converted the "Reagan democrats" from independents to republicans

1976: 41%
1980: 23%
1984: 26%
1988: 26%
1992: 27%
1996: 22%
2000: 26%
2008: 26%
2009: 29%



Either way you look at it, though; you can't over sample one party affiliation over another.

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Re: Obama leads among Jewish voters 70%-25%
« Reply #56 on: September 17, 2012, 11:05:23 PM »
Either way you look at it, though; you can't over sample one party affiliation over another.

Well you can because democrats usually out number republicans

1984: D +3
1988: D +2
1992: D +3
1996: D +5
2000: D +4
2004: tie
2008: D +7

The problem is 2008 is obviously an outlier as far as turnouts go and most of the lesser polling agencies are using that model. Which is why Gallup and Rasmussen show a much tighter race than the less accomplished pollsters.
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Re: Obama leads among Jewish voters 70%-25%
« Reply #57 on: September 17, 2012, 11:24:51 PM »
Well you can because democrats usually out number republicans

1984: D +3
1988: D +2
1992: D +3
1996: D +5
2000: D +4
2004: tie
2008: D +7

The problem is 2008 is obviously an outlier as far as turnouts go and most of the lesser polling agencies are using that model. Which is why Gallup and Rasmussen show a much tighter race than the less accomplished pollsters.

With that being the case, the polls will always be skewed to make the Dem look like the winner. It makes me glad that I don't follow them.

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Re: Obama leads among Jewish voters 70%-25%
« Reply #58 on: September 18, 2012, 01:10:20 PM »
Well, pandric is in for a big shock when Jewish voters show up to the polls angry about what happened at the DNC.

I won't hold my breath. Blacks have been screwed for decades by them, yet they'll turn up in record numbers to re-elect the fool. American Jews =/= Israeli Jews. American Jews don't have to fear that their nation will be nuked and wiped off the face of the planet by Iran.

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Re: Obama leads among Jewish voters 70%-25%
« Reply #59 on: September 18, 2012, 01:59:04 PM »
I won't hold my breath. Blacks have been screwed for decades by them, yet they'll turn up in record numbers to re-elect the fool. American Jews =/= Israeli Jews. American Jews don't have to fear that their nation will be nuked and wiped off the face of the planet by Iran.

Precisely, and yet you can find leftist pacifist Israelis in Israel, despite the historical facts that appeasement and kowtowing to radicals of any kind simply feeds the hunger.  The extremists see any such behavior as a weakness inviting an attack and destruction.

As an example of the irrationality of Israeli pacifists:

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Israeli director and actor Juliano Mer-Khamis was killed by a terrorist last week. Mer had chosen Jenin to build his utopia of tolerance. His life and death is the biggest tragedy of modern pacifism. The Islamists made no secret of their hostility to the “deviant” art of Mer-Khamis, who liked to call himself “100% Jew and 100% Palestinian.”...

...(his)Jewish mother was a pacifist icon, Arna Mer, who during the Intifada went to Jenin to create the “Theater of the Stones”, an experimental group for Palestinian children where Mer-Khamis also worked.

 
Arna Mer won the “Alternative Nobel Prize” given annually by the Swedish Parliament to humanitarian activists. She preferred to be called “Palestinian,” not Jew or Israeli. She was arrested several times during riots protesting Israeli policy in the Territories. She said that “Zionism is a racist ideology.”

 
Yet all of Mer-Khamis' pacifism, idealism and radicalism did not protect him from the genocidal ideology that Israel had to confront since its foundation.


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Re: Obama leads among Jewish voters 70%-25%
« Reply #60 on: September 19, 2012, 09:07:44 PM »
I won't hold my breath. Blacks have been screwed for decades by them, yet they'll turn up in record numbers to re-elect the fool. American Jews =/= Israeli Jews. American Jews don't have to fear that their nation will be nuked and wiped off the face of the planet by Iran.

If anyone thinks I'm wrong, I'll accept any rational reason why you think so. If not, I guess we'll just have to wait for November.

The dems almost always play homage to the blacks just before election time.  They'll let Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson speak at convention or whatever.  Plus Obama is half-black himself.  So you're right the blacks will come out in force.  However, they've never snubbed the head of Israel this close to a U.S. election before.  It was incredibly rude and got some press.  I'm hoping, in Florida at least, they are Jew first, democrat second.