UGP waddles up to the buffet table of self pity

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Is this a racist tirade against Michelle Obama?

undergroundpanther (11,220 posts)

The food Nazi's in New york just pissed me off..
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/13/new-york-approves-soda-ban-big-sugary-drinks_n_1880868.html


If it were That easy...to lose weight as in that commonly believed but incredibly ignorant calories in/out model we'd all be thin.If Soda was the culprit of the obesity problem..

People who think the calorie in and out model works all the time like some math equation,they have no idea the complexities of changing a body metabolism. A lot of fat people eat LESS than thin people do. Diets FAIL,at a 98% rate. There are MANY factors at work causing obesity ,pollutants,viruses,abuse...the list of possible causitive factors is long.
Why can people who drink super big gulps often seem to not gain weight from it?


If diets worked there wouldn't be so many of them being promoted like a magic health solutions.If dieting actually worked and nobody would be fat.Nobody would regain it after using the regimen for months or years.

Yet the fat phobes still continue giving unwanted sanctimonious advice to the overweight as if they KNOW why fat people get fat,is is ****ing rude.
Our narcissistic, vain, body/status obsessed and superficial society piles on that all pervasive pressure to conform,suffer to be beautiful,reduce calorie intake exercise more and more and become become food obsessed,until you are scared to eat things, scared to miss the gym because of the burning soul killing humiliation that fat people face,daily. Social pressures,fat bigotry, ignorance that some people have about fat people is abusive and toxic to well being,self acceptance and growing into as a culture, the accepting of body differences in a diverse world.


Fat Bigots are as toxic as racism,homophobia or any other bigotry. But right now browbeating the "fatties" is a hateful bigotry our society now accepts.
It even legislates against food they imagine fat people eat. Soda..what next chips,butter, what will be the next"evil"food to fear?What excuse to control,blame fat people,than no one will have freedom to eat as free people anymore. The saddest thing is this kind of nanny tactic was promoted by the Nazis. Nazis idolized the fit Aryan body, the ancient Greek model of physical perfection. The vain feared fat in the Reich to the point whipped cream was seen as the devil itself. The Nazi's restricted what the people ate 'for their own good' in Nazi Germany. Nazis believed your own body was not really yours.It belonged to the state. Do you wish to be owned and belong to the state,or the City of New York?
Even if limiting soda intake is healthy do you want the LAW of New York City make you by force limit how much sugary shit you can drink in one cup.?

Right now fat bigot politicians , fat bigot busybodies trying to warn fat people of their horrid 'lifestyle choices',and fat bigoted people can get away with such stupid shit . People have internalized a lot of the Nazi belief system without even realizing it. Doesn't matter if you are on the left or right nowadays,there is idealogical overlap..

Maybe one day people will become more sensitized to others situations and care about others well being without the force of law and trying to dominate or control them. Maybe one day the haters, they won't get away with it anymore because society won't tolerate bigots bullshit no matter whom is targeted..Maybe the promotion of the failure called calories in/out will finally be shown to the to be the failure it really is to all these simplistic thinkers and vain and sanctimonious people. Not all overweight people eat tons of junk food drink humongous sodas or fast food all day.

I'm fat,I don't drink sodas,I don't use sugar, Don't eat white rice,or white bread,I do everything in moderation yet my bodies set-point never budges faster for me.
If I diet and I yo yo so I end up fatter,than BEFORE the diet because my bodies set-point drops even further lower.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/08/15/health-yo-yo-dieting-does-not-affect-weight-loss_n_1778118.html

I learned this by DIETING.A.K.A calorie reduction 1,200 calories to be exact, and I passed out in the weight watchers meeting..I wasn't getting enough food.The starvation study I linked to below had people eating 1,500 calories..

So I gave up on calorie in calorie out dieting,and I haven't gotten any fatter.But the damage is done.

This soda legislation in New York is Fat Bigotry motivated by that same bigoted assumption that fat people use more resources than other people do.I see A LOT of thin people drinking super big gulps nobody looks with disgust at them chugging all that sugar..And over time they sometimes don't gain weight. Did the Lucky sperm club give some people superior metabolic rate? Blessed with a fast metabolism that uses the calories you eat so you don't have weight issues? Lucky ****y you.. BTW don't tell me how to feed myself.I eat healthier than most thin people do even on my cheesy budget. and I HATE Nazi's so I am aware of their tactics and belief systems.

Read this it's the Minnesota starvation study.
A lot of people have been burned by calorie reduction and the yo yo shit..
This may be why we have ENTIRE channels on TV just on One topic,all about FOOD.

http://jn.nutrition.org/content/135/6/1347.full

And look at the media,and everyone is thin,look how fat people are scorned or made the butt of a joke.As if being fat was worse than being a mean abusive asshole.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-175210/Six-year-old-tried-slim-knife.html

http://www.boston.com/community/moms/blogs/child_caring/2010/04/_normal_0_false_12.html

Nazi connection to food regulation...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1347695

We tried hanging all the fat people but the rope kept breaking.

undergroundpanther (11,220 posts)
4. Yeah Vitamin D

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I have to take a lot of it too.My endocrinologist is mystified as to why I'm still fat. I have been on psych drugs like Thorazine in high doses,I tried dieting,and it seems my body has plenty of ****ed-uppiness I cope with.For instance,I take 3 antidepressants,one is for pain.I have slow thyroid,Thanks to Aberdeen proving ground's output of perchlorate water.
Half the meds I'm on can cause weight gain and I take ten different ones and vitamins.. it's not like I chose to have this weight. It just happened. I am on a med regimen that I'm not a total basket case in hideous pain. there are issues Worse than being fat. Peripheral neuropathy and a messed up spine ,that makes both arms have carpal tunnel and my hands drop things is one of those issues,if Cymbalta hinders my weight loss I don't care I have the pain under control..I still drop stuff.Usually it happens when I have a full glass of water or tea,or doing art or carrying a bowl of beans and brown rice.Aaargh!

undergroundpanther (11,220 posts)
40. everyone

has their own idea of what is better for themselves,and making laws to force others to be better as defined by someone else who has no clue why you do what you do is the thinking of a control freak with too much power.

SilveryMoon (39 posts)
3. IMO I think it's more accpetable to criticize skinny people than fat people

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I've lost count of how many comments I've seen online on how a skinny person should eat something. Or that a skinny person is not a real man or woman. Or that someone who goes to the gym a few times a week must be a narcissistic asshole because he/she spends time on their health. I don't see many people criticizing these comments.

Tell a large person to put down the cheeseburger and you get called a jerk from multiple people. (If you tell someone to put down the cheeseburger you are a jerk)

As for the soda ban, I don't really care one way or another. To me it's similar (not identical but similar) to laws telling people to use a seat belt. There should not be a law to use something as simple as a seat belt. You should just do it. Similarly, there should not be a law limiting or banning how much soda you consume. You should know that large amounts of soda are bad for you.

The fact that we do, to me, is a sad reflection on society.

darkangel218 (703 posts)
6. I grew up in East Europe when food was rationalized; **** if i want to go back to that! n/t

Boy, did you fall in with the wrong crowd.

bhikkhu (6,765 posts)
8. I think there's more science than bigotry behind it

...but then I only know about the science part. I don't drink anything with HFC syrups, and I very much discourage my kids from drinking it.

Of course, as has been mentioned, simply drinking diet soda gets around that problem. I don't drink that because I don't like the taste of artificial sweeteners, but I'm not sure if there is any reasoning in the NY restriction over limiting diet sodas.

darkangel218 (703 posts)
10. same thing was told to us, when allowed only certain ratios of food / day

that is was "healthy"!

trust me, you dont want to live in that kind of society.

hollysmom (286 posts)
11. I see this from a different - anti-corporatism angle

When I was young, there were sizes of small, medium and large and they were not budget busters. Somehow the businesses figured out it was the labor that cost them more, so they could sell you larger sizes it would not really cost them that much more. so they increased the sizes to extra large, giganto and humongous. If you look at the prices, it makes sens to buy the humongous because it only cost little more and look how much more you get - but if you only want a small for under a dollar, it is not there.

My only hope here is that maybe they will sell more normal sizes for affordable amounts. It is all a business ploy to super size things, I just want a choice to get a normal size once in a while.

Hey, jackass!

Bigger size = lower price per unit = less money.

Go check prices on diet products; you pay a premium.

undergroundpanther (11,220 posts)
23. Otohara

I don't want to be told what I can and cannot have. I choose to not drink sodas.But the thing is I CHOSE,I was not FORCED "for my own good" by the stupid politicians who have no right to monitor my choices and decide them for me. It's an abuse of POWER issue as I see it.

I eat healthy but I have issues with power abusers.

NYC Liberal (13,388 posts)
26. Sounds like the Ron Paul-libertarian argument.

"Company wants to pay its employees $2 an hour? Hey, just don't work for them! What right does the government have to tell me I shouldn't be allowed to work for $2 an hour?!"

darkangel218 (703 posts)
28. The RIGHT to a minimum wage, has nothing to do with the BAN on xl sugary drinks. n/t

NYC Liberal (13,388 posts)
29. But there is no "RIGHT" to buy or sell large sugar drinks,

now is there?

Note that not one single drink is being banned. The serving size is simply being limited.

NYC Liberal (13,388 posts)
36. Most liberals believe the government has an interest in promoting the general welfare -- even a duty

to do so.

You sound like Milton Friedman, who used to rant against airbags. He insisted it only affected the people inside the car, and therefore the government has no right to require those safety mechanisms.

JoeyT (3,633 posts)
50. So if the government

can prove that certain types of sex increase the rate of STD transmission, you're going to back sodomy laws? That's kind of messed up man.

NYC Liberal (13,388 posts)
52. So you think the government doesn't have a duty to promote the general welfare

and public health and safety? Now that's messed up, man.

People who go to church tend to be healthiier.

JoeyT (3,633 posts)
55. That's the same argument

proponents of sodomy laws used. "You can still have sex, you just can't have that kind of sex.".

Come to think of it, posting on a message board at 3 in the morning is probably doing something terrible to us.

Odin2005 (45,733 posts)
60. That kind of attitude leads to a paternalistic police state.

Oppressing people for their own good, treating then like stupid children who do not know any better.

otohara (20,725 posts)
32. It's Like Getting Mad at Obama

For health care! MANDATE!

God forbid our elected officials give a shit about our health!

Shouldn't we be hating on Michele Obama too?

Besides you can still drink the Cokes...right? It's about gigantic cups designed to hook you on their shitty drug. If only the cocaine was still in it! The government intervened on that years ago, cocaine is nasty shit too!

Last year I was in Japan. If you order a coke, it comes in a small thin glass...6 Oz...

The Japanese aren't freaking out and whining. They aren't fat and sickly like Americans either.

undergroundpanther (11,220 posts)
33. no I am No libertarian.I like to make my own choices about what I eat tho.

One fistful at a time.

jberryhill (25,552 posts)
31. Did you know that anger causes you to gain weight?

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True.

That rant makes you look slim, though.

I LOL'ed

undergroundpanther (11,220 posts)
35. Being traumatized has a direct link to weight gain..

So does anxiety,depression,eating disorders,vitamin D deficiency, insomnia,medications,perchlorate,low thyroid,msg, age,etc.etc.etc........

I really think body set-points are determined by a lot of complex factors in individual people.
And there is NO one size fits all answer to being fat.

jberryhill (25,552 posts)
37. Getting worked up about my weight really makes me want to smoke

I LOL'ed...again

undergroundpanther (11,220 posts)
46. Last thought..and goodnight.


"Tragically, the well-off and the poor are often united in capitalist culture by their shared obsession with consumption. Oftentimes the poor are more addicted to excess because they are the most vulnerable to all the powerful messages in media and in our lives in general which suggest that the only way out of class shame is conspicuous consumption. Propaganda in advertising and in the culture as a whole assures the poor that they can be one with those who are more materially privileged if they own the same products. It helps sustain the false notion that ours is a classless society. When these values are accepted by the poor they internalize habits of being that make them act in complicity with greed and exploitation. Who has not heard materially well-off individuals talk about driving through poor neighborhoods and seeing fancy cars or massive overeating of junk food? These are the incidents the well-off emphasize to denigrate the poor while simultaneously holding them accountable for their fate."
bell hooks

Fat, dumb and commie is no way to go through life, son.

JoeyT (3,633 posts)
51. That's because like most crappy arguments,

the proponents of it can't make the argument they really want to make, they have to hide it. If you poke them enough it will come out eventually, though: You're infringing on people's god-given right to not have to look at fat people!

When you get past all the bullshit about it being "for their own good" and the concern trolling, that's basically what it boils down to. "I don't want to have to look at fat people, and how DARE you suggest I should mind my own business!"

But they're blocking my view of the Hooters across the street!

Odin2005 (45,733 posts)
62. I think Fat Phobia is another form of bashing the poor.

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Mostly from smug middle class folks who can't understand why we can't afford their health foods they want us to eat. Not surprising that those kind of Latte Liberals are common in NYC.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021340003

[franksolich]

I notice the subway cat, who is in fact a 47-year-old obese woman, talks about only "diet."

She doesn't mention something else equally important when it comes to weight.

"Work."

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

"Work."

potty mouth

[Chris_]

I learned this by DIETING.A.K.A calorie reduction 1,200 calories to be exact, and I passed out in the weight watchers meeting

HA HA HA HA HA

[Texacon]

NYC Liberal (13,388 posts)
29. But there is no "RIGHT" to buy or sell large sugar drinks,

now is there?

Note that not one single drink is being banned. The serving size is simply being limited.

This is the kind of ignorance that must be stamped out in this country.

Hey, NYC Liberal .... Wanna bet?  There absolutely IS a right to buy or sell large sugar drinks.  Just because the Constitution doesn't protect that single itty bitty right doesn't mean I don't have it.  Those rights not covered by the Bill of Rights revert to the states or the INDIVIDUAL.  So, if it is not regulated then I absolutely have that right.

Secondly, if you want to go down the road of the General Welfare clause being there so the government can protect you from yourself you are the biggest DUmbass on the planet.  That is a very, very bad road to go down.

KC

[jukin]

Just make being a fatty against the law or put a tax on the fattys.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Just make being a fatty against the law or put a tax on the fattys.

The door to the welfare office should be 30" wide.

Then it becomes a self-limiting prospect.

[Karin]

DarkAngel, run for your life!   

[Bad Dog]

Sounds like UGP could use a few more drugs. I can't imagine going through life as unhappy as this slug.

[Jasonw560]

undergroundpanther (11,220 posts)

The food gun Nazi's in New york just pissed me off..
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SodaSemi-automatic sporting rifles...what next chipsmagazine capacity,butter,handguns what will be the next"evil"foodtool to fear?What excuse to control,blame fatfree people,than no one will have freedom to eatdefend themselves as free people anymore. The saddest thing is this kind of nanny tactic was promoted by the Nazis.

Fixed.

Anyone see any irony?

[franksolich]

Sounds like UGP could use a few more drugs. I can't imagine going through life as unhappy as this slug.

She's a nutcase, all right.

Usually decent and civilized people refrain from mocking primitives with mental illnesses, in the same way we're reticent to put down fat primitives.....with exceptions, of course.

Once a mentally-ill or fat primitive politicizes its plight, the primitive's fair game for whatever mockery and ridicule one wishes to deliver, and which the primitive wholly deserves.

There's lots and lots of fat primitives, and mentally ill primitives, but generally only two are mentioned here, the subway cat and the Las Vegas Leviathan, only because they politicized their plights.

[wasp69]

Odin2005 (45,733 posts)
62. I think Fat Phobia is another form of bashing the poor.

Only in a country as great as the United States can the poor suffer from being fat.

[Bondai]

That's pretty much a normal rant for the UP. She does sound a little more coherent this time around. I have to agree with what she is saying. The government needs to back off. Certainly there are more pressing problems then how big the soda cups are. Personally I smell a Wookie. She is mad because she has a big butt and she is going to make everyone pay for it.






Hey Wookie. From the rest of us out here in the real world......

[Skul]

UGPee is pissed because government is watching and dictating???
I would think she/he/it would be ecstatic.
After all, isn't that a primary desire of DUmp libs?

[GOBUCKS]

There's lots and lots of fat primitives, and mentally ill primitives, but generally only two are mentioned here, the subway cat and the Las Vegas Leviathan, only because they politicized their plights.

If we didn't mention mentally-ill DUmpmonkeys, the DUmpster would be deader than Crazy Andrea's place.

Almost by definition, a DUmmy cannot be mentally healthy.

There are a few other lardass DUmmies.

Don't forget our friend Bennyboy, perpetually planning cross-continent trips from his basement fortress.

Then there is the neckbearded weeping lardass, ripping off the taxpayers of Omaha.

And, of course, there's the crazy bald dwarf, whose waist measurement is substantially greater than her height.

[Big Dog]

We tried hanging all the fat people but the rope kept breaking.

You did not hang them well.

Me, I'm fat AND well-hung!

[Rebel]

otohara (20,725 posts)
32. It's Like Getting Mad at Obama

For health care! MANDATE!

God forbid our elected officials give a shit about our health!

Silly DUmmy. Jokes are for comedians.

[Skul]

Just the group for UGPee.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1154
Obamaha Steve ought to look into it too.

[hillneck]

Liberalism is a mental disorder in itself.  As we all know the DUmonkeys take it to a new level everyday.   

[BlueStateSaint]

If anyone can do self-pity, it's UGP.

[ChuckJ]

With cats I have found that a cat that chases mice, squirrels, birds, or whatever tend to be much thinner than a cat that lounges around the house waiting to be fed.

[delilahmused]

undergroundpanther (11,220 posts)
4. Yeah Vitamin D

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I have to take a lot of it too.My endocrinologist is mystified as to why I'm still fat. I have been on psych drugs like Thorazine in high doses,I tried dieting,and it seems my body has plenty of ****ed-uppiness I cope with.For instance,I take 3 antidepressants,one is for pain.I have slow thyroid,Thanks to Aberdeen proving ground's output of perchlorate water.
Half the meds I'm on can cause weight gain and I take ten different ones and vitamins.. it's not like I chose to have this weight. It just happened. I am on a med regimen that I'm not a total basket case in hideous pain. there are issues Worse than being fat. Peripheral neuropathy and a messed up spine ,that makes both arms have carpal tunnel and my hands drop things is one of those issues,if Cymbalta hinders my weight loss I don't care I have the pain under control..I still drop stuff.Usually it happens when I have a full glass of water or tea,or doing art or carrying a bowl of beans and brown rice.Aaargh!

Uh, UGP, as many psych drugs as you've been on, I'd think you'd know that, with the exception of Welbutrin, all antidepressants cause weight gain. You have to work your ass off to keep that from happening. And if you're not eating enough, you're metabolism slows down to save energy, which adds fat. See, your body panics and thinks, "OMG!!! I'm starving, better store some for later!" So by not exercising, not eating enough and loading your plate with carbs, you're your own worst enemy.

Cindie

[Boudicca]

When I was in my 20's I went on a diet.  Ate nothing but donuts, cookies, soda and cake for weeks...and I lost weight.  It IS only calories in vs calories out that count.  Fat people tend to have even higher metabolisms than thin people.
It's ALL about calories and how much you consume vs how much you expel them through, among other things, exercise.  I am overweight but I walk 6 miles most days and I can put away 2500-3000 calories in one day and not gain weight.
If you're gonna pig out, walk it off, swim it off or sit on your couch and throw a calorie laden pity party for yourself every night.

[delilahmused]

When I was in my 20's I went on a diet.  Ate nothing but donuts, cookies, soda and cake for weeks...and I lost weight.  It IS only calories in vs calories out that count.  Fat people tend to have even higher metabolisms than thin people.
It's ALL about calories and how much you consume vs how much you expel them through, among other things, exercise.  I am overweight but I walk 6 miles most days and I can put away 2500-3000 calories in one day and not gain weight.
If you're gonna pig out, walk it off, swim it off or sit on your couch and throw a calorie laden pity party for yourself every night.

As you age, your metabolism does slow down unless you keep on top of it. At 20 I could eat anything I wanted too. My family has a tendency to be overweight so I have to work very, very hard, free weights, interval training, cardio. Antidepressants do cause weight gain though no doctor can tell you why. Many of them also cause drowsiness so you're hit with a double whammy. I'm not on any of them that cause weight gain right now, but when my doc put me on Lexapro, I gained 20 pounds. My activity level didn't change, nor did my diet. I didn't stay on it for that reason. I'll be damned if I'm going to work my butt off and gain weight.

Cindie

[BlueStateSaint]

Uh, UGP, . . . you're your own worst enemy.

Cindie

I think we can boil down your post to this, Cindie.