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Skins is going to choose something else
« on: September 07, 2012, 04:58:15 PM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10131751

Oh my.

When looking around for the skumbag primitive, the "IanDavid" primitive, who doesn't appear to have been hanging around Skins's island lately, I came across this.

Nearly all the campfire's here, so that possibly someone may figure out what the bitchery's about; I suspect it might have something to do with Skins paying the government of Uganda for the right to use ".ug"?

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This discussion thread was locked by Skinner (a host of the Announcements group).

Clearly, that was a mistake.

We are going to choose something else. When Elad gets online later today, I will ask him to disable the URL shortening function.

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Ian David (67,321 posts)

2. I appreciate the thought, but why are we giving money to Uganda?

.ug

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ug

Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Bill
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill

I hate to nitpick, especially since I was one of the people suggested a custom URL-shortener in the first place.

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3. The standard for short URLs is to pick a two-letter domain that best fits the name of the site.

For Democratic Underground, dem.ug was by far most intuitive URL for the site.

Yes, Uganda has a terrible human rights record. Sadly, that is the case for the majority of the URLs available. Bit.ly is one popular example.

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Ian David (67,321 posts)

5. I like .bj from Berundi. Not for DU, but for my other, favorite site.

I'm trying to see if I can suggest a better alternative than .UG, since I opened up my big mouth to complain in the first place.

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Ian David (67,321 posts)

6. How about Republic of Ireland?

.ie Republic of Ireland

No, too close to DUM.ie

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Ian David (67,321 posts)

7. I can't find anything better. How about if each year, whatever we pay for the .UG domain...

... we match with a gift to a Ugandan gay rights organization?

Sexual Minorities Uganda

Sexual Minorities Uganda (SMUG) is an umbrella non-governmental organization based in Kampala, Uganda. Headed by Executive Director Frank Mugisha and Chairperson and founder Victor Mukasa and formerly co-headed by Advocacy Officer David Kato (until his murder in January 2011), it pushes for the protection and human rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Ugandans.

Founded in 2004, the organization is composed of a number of member organizations:

Icebreakers Uganda (a group which focuses on LGBT research and youth issues)
Integrity Uganda (a chapter of the Episcopal LGBT inclusion organization Integrity USA)
Freedom and Roam Uganda (a group which focuses on the rights of lesbian, transgender, and intersex women)
Spectrum Uganda (a group which focuses on the health and well being of LGBT people in Uganda)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_Minorities_Uganda

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William769 (26,971 posts)

10. Sorry but I have a major major problem with this.

There is absolutely no excuse for this to be done, associating This website with that horrible place. Not only are human rights terrible, they kill people just for being Gay! I will stop my monthly subscription over this immediately.

 :badmood: :badmood: :badmood: :badmood: :badmood:

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12. It's terribly offensive

I'm floored.

I can't support supporting Uganda however tiny a contribution it may be.

DU has been home. I'm pleading with the admins here: Please don't make DU suck.

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stevenleser (10,257 posts)

11. Skinner, not sure what all has been invested in this, but can I suggest Dem.De

De=Deutschland=Germany, which is now a pretty progressive place.

I understand if you cant because of time/money invested, but I think that any association with Uganda is going to be problematic.

 :racist:

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Jamastiene (30,941 posts)

17. That is awful.

I cannot believe you can just shrug it off like that.

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fizzgig (16,081 posts)

18. i can't believe this site would give any money to this kind of hate and the offensiveness of this to our lgbt community seems to be met with little concern.

 :gives: :gives: :gives: :gives: :gives:

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LuvNewcastle (2,789 posts)

19. This was a big mistake.

Please acknowledge it and fix it.

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Fearless (10,749 posts)

13. Agreed 100%

Preach one thing and do the other.

Don't support terrorizing LGBT people in Uganda. Because that's what it is. Terrorizing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill

If you monetarily support the killing of my peers, you lose my money, my time, and my traffic permanently.

There is no middle ground. I do not want to otherwise, but I will leave.

As it stands, I will make no further posts until this absurd misunderstanding has been remedied.

 :runaway: :runaway: :runaway: :runaway: :runaway:

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WillParkinson (15,813 posts)

15. I'm afraid I have to agree...

Anything that would go to promoting hate and violence against ANYONE is way outside of what DU should stand for.

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Ian David (67,321 posts)

28. We can match what we're paying for the domain with an equal payment to Sexual Minorities Uganda.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1013&pid=1758

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struggle4progress (66,282 posts)

4. ya'll is need having better focus grope cuz dem.ug just sound sorta like a conversation twixt teabaggers

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Spitfire of ATJ (2,175 posts)

9. Nice, but "ug"?

Sounds kinda "cave man".

I'm sure that occurred to you guys.

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CreekDog (32,906 posts)

20. that's easier, but I'd prefer Dem.und

"ug" is what you say after you read Meta.

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Behind the Aegis (24,466 posts)

21. Exactly how important or needed is this feature?

You know, David, I have said to you before, you can't please everyone. I have even posted the "The Man, The Son, and The Donkey" fable a few times. However, I stand with my family on this. Associating this site with a country, which is STILL contemplating a law to EXECUTE gays, is offensive! Have you ever read the "Kill the Gays" bill? Skinner, it calls for Ugandan citizens to be deported back to Uganda for punishment, possible execution, for homosexual behavior in other countries!!

Is this "feature" really worth associating the Democratic Underground with a country where elected/appointed officials publicly call for MURDERING gays, publicly out them (leading to disappearances and murder), and they (the politicians) face no condemnation except from the international community?!

I loathe, LOATHE, making Holocaust comparisons, especially clumsy ones, but...would you also consider linking our site to Nazi Germany? Clearly, Uganda is not Nazi Germany, but the political, anti-gay propaganda is eerily reminiscent of the anti-Semitic rhetoric of Hitler's Germany.

Homophobia is much more than calling us "fags and dykes." It is more than repeating, like the Ugandan government, that we are child molesters. Homophobia is also ignoring homophobia.

Please, reconsider this feature.

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LaurenG (24,433 posts)

22. Is there a way to change this or add a different one?

This one is very troubling.

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steve2470 (13,430 posts)

23. Skinner, with all due respect, a few suggestions:

I would conduct a discussion on which TLD's are acceptable. I know there are .ly, .fm, and others.

I understand the rationale behind the .ug TLD but it appears offensive to many. Please change it to something unremarkable. Thanks for listening.

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Jamastiene (30,941 posts)

24. What about tinyurl.com?

It is easy to remember and will not send money to Uganda.

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Ian David (67,321 posts)

29. Tinyurl.com raises money for Ron Paul. Who is admittedly slightly less offensive than Uganda.

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boston bean (14,038 posts)

25. Skinner, I can understand that some work went into it and that you were probably caught off guard with the criticisms of this url.

Now that you are aware of DUers valid concerns, I hope you will reconsider.

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closeupready (17,181 posts)

26. ? from non-techie: does ".ug" indicate DU is paying Uganda or somehow sending money to state tax authorities there?

If so, then I agree with others, please reconsider and select a different two-letter suffix; Steven suggested Dem.de, and I agree with that.

It's okay to make mistakes. I'm going to follow this thread to see what you decide, Skinner. Thanks in advance.

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obamanut2012 (5,327 posts)

27. Certain siffixes are granted to certain countries

ie AU for Australia. Many companies pay certain countries to make use of their URL suffixes. I know some South Pacific nation used to do that with porn companies, because it was sex or sx, I can't remember.

So, yes, Uganda is being paid by DU and the DU membership for being allowed to do this.

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watrwefitinfor (1,106 posts)

30. So, was dem.du already taken?

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31. Bad move. Really bad move.

Recognizing that I'll probably get tombstoned for my comments, here goes.

It's pretty obvious to me that the administration of this site doesn't give a care about it's GLBT population. From allowing rampant homophobia to run amok in threads, from an attempt to mend fences that didn't produce any results, to coming up with this poorly conceived TLA and ignoring the user community concerns, I think that the admins are deaf to our concerns.

I have never gotten involved in any of the name calling, finger pointing, ja-accuse threads. Never. I've served on juries and have voted to both allow and disallow thread responses. I'm not a very active poster, and certainly don't get caught up in the "me too", "whine whine whine" threads, but this revision really truly upsets me.

To even accidentally tie this site to Uganda, and not recognize the legitimate concerns of your user community is shameful.

 :gay2: :gay2: :gay2: :gay2: :gay2:
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Re: Skins is going to choose something else
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2012, 05:04:18 PM »
$kammer does not care about what other nations think as long as he can make $$$$$$$$.
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Re: Skins is going to choose something else
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2012, 05:07:15 PM »
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5. I like .bj from Berundi. Not for DU, but for my other, favorite site.

I thought Scamdy Fluke had the bj domain locked up.
WTF??
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Re: Skins is going to choose something else
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2012, 05:08:13 PM »
How about Malaysia (du.my)
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Re: Skins is going to choose something else
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2012, 05:10:40 PM »
Quote from: Chris_ on September 07, 2012, 05:08:13 PM
How about Malaysia (du.my)
Even better.  :lmao: one up.
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Re: Skins is going to choose something else
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2012, 05:14:30 PM »
Quote from: Skul on September 07, 2012, 05:10:40 PM
Even better.  :lmao: one up.

yeah that was sponge worthy.  I gave him a 5 myself. :lmao:
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Re: Skins is going to choose something else
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Re: Skins is going to choose something else
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2012, 05:17:54 PM »
So let me get this straight

DUmmies like muslims. Muslims criminalize homosexuality.

DUmmies hate Uganda. Uganda criminalizes homosexuality.

So what is the difference between muslims and Uganda?

Muslims are members of an arabic religion and in many cases hate America.
Uganda is made up of black people.

Why do DUmmies hate black people?
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Re: Skins is going to choose something else
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2012, 07:33:23 PM »
I thought they were all-inclusive and all about respecting non-American cultures?

And Uganda is probably only anti-gay because it's all Bush's fault?

DUmmies are losing their grip. And their grope. Who else but Skimmer would take them in?

Mark my words, they are all going to end up piles of homeless goo inside old Buicks with a government paid iPhone the only proof that they've ever existed if Skimmer decides to give the lot of them the boot.
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Re: Skins is going to choose something else
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2012, 07:42:44 PM »
Quote from: Chris_ on September 07, 2012, 05:08:13 PM
How about Malaysia (du.my)

 :lmao: :rotf: :rofl: :lmao: :rotf: :rofl: :lmao: :rotf: :rofl:

H5!  It took me a second to figure that out . . .
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Re: Skins is going to choose something else
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2012, 07:44:22 PM »
They are just pissy because it seems I am the only person using the Penis Mightier URL shortener regularly.  :-)
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Re: Skins is going to choose something else
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2012, 09:01:42 PM »
SMUG?  Really?

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Re: Skins is going to choose something else
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2012, 09:03:29 PM »
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31. It's pretty obvious to me that the administration of this site doesn't give a care about it's GLBT population.
Faggots. ::)

What's up with these ridiculous people?  Do they get upset if their life isn't like the Wizard of Oz, that there isn't a Yellow Brick Road in front of them wherever they go?  Worse than spoiled children... grow up already.
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« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2012, 09:11:49 PM »
Uganda was like the mascot team at the Little League World Series a couple of weeks ago in Pennsylvania.

All their gear sold out in the gift shops.

Do the DUmpmonkeys hate Little Leaguers?

Look at the bright side, DUmmies, in Uganda you can feel secure in public restrooms and interstate rest stops.
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« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2012, 10:58:42 PM »
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15. I'm afraid I have to agree...

Anything that would go to promoting hate and violence against ANYONE is way outside of what DU should stand for.

Oh, the IRONY of that statement right there!!!
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« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2012, 11:37:38 PM »
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For Democratic Underground, dem.ug 

I'm sorry, but that's just too perfect.
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