Bill Nye ‘The Science Guy’ Hits Evolution Deniers

[Kyle Ricky]

My point is: You claim your reading of Genesis renders you impervious suggestions that the world exists by any other understanding.

Yet, what you read and how you understand it (potentially) is not the the intent of the Creator. That isn't to question scripture, that's to question you. That sounds harsh, I know; but if you had your choice of errors would you choose you being wrong or the Bible being wrong?

I'm confident of your answer and that's what makes you a good Christian in the sincerest meaning of the term.

Don't get butt-hurt because "nachash" has been translated as "serpent" lo these many centuries. Archbishop Ussher gave us the whole 6,000 year old erf debacle based on his very human reading of Chronicles. It's not a problem with revelation or even translation; it's a problem with Archbishop Ussher. The problem is people injecting themselves into a thing meant to move them away from themselves.

But then that's what The Book is really about anyway: People are messed-up, here's why and here's how the Divine seeks to fix them.

At least that much was properly translated so there's still hope.

Nachash means 'Shiny One'.. But I get your point. Thanks, Sgt. 

[LRanger]

Kyle Ricky: Just the belief of evolution discredits God...

SGT Snuggle Bunny : Switch "discredit" for "at odds with."

I'd have to agree with "discredit".

Each of us is a conglomeration 10 trillion individual living cells that are totally dependent on the whole.

Each of the 10 trillion cells is an extremely complex machine and chemical factory engineered at the molecule and atom level; using atoms and molecules, via ion pumps and ion channels, to transmit energy and information. The archetypal channel pore is just one or two atoms wide.

Nothing works for free. Each of the 10 trillion cells need a constant source of energy and information and regulation. The diversity of the 10 trillion cells requires totally different machinery and different kinds of ion pumps and ion gates. Some ion gates permit passage based on the electoral charge, some pass atoms and some gates may be controlled by chemical or electrical signals, temperature, or mechanical force. On top of that, all the ion pumps have to be supplied with energy and some support timing regulation.

This 10 trillion cell entity starts out as just one cell.

The one cell knows how to build an entity consisting of 10 trillion pieces of living, complex and diverse machines engineered at the molecular level and able to work with atoms and molecules.

Not only; each stage, from one cell to 10 trillion cells, has to know how to build the next stage!

Theory of Evolution = dead theory walking.

[Revolution]

I stopped after it said Bill endorsed Teh Won's re-election bid.

I never did care for his show growing up.

[docstew]

Theory of Evolution = dead theory walking.

Fine. All you have to do is document empirical evidence of a single case that contradicts it. Voila, theory destroyed.

[DefiantSix]

I stopped after it said Bill endorsed Teh Won's re-election bid.

I never did care for his show growing up.

He was better as a sketch comic on the Seattle show Almost Live.  Once he became nationally known, he became his inner leftist asshole came permanently to the fore.

[LRanger]

docstew: Fine. All you have to do is document empirical evidence of a single case that contradicts it. Voila, theory destroyed.

It doesn’t work that with the Theory of Evolution; which is a theory and also a religion.

“single case that contradicts it”; it’s already a given that there is no working theory of how life could exist without God.

Harvard’s “'Origins of Life in the Universe Initiative” started with the goal; “my expectation is that we will be able to reduce this to a very simple series of logical events that could have taken place with no divine intervention.”

This massive project started in 2005; still looking for “could have”.

NASA; Prebiotic Evolution; “Research in recent years has challenged all aspects of this paradigm as well as the assumptions on which it is based.” Dr. Michael A. Meyer, Discipline Scientist for the Exobiology Program, NASA Headquarters.  “New theories are emerging, diverse viewpoints are finding encouragement, and there are several competing hypotheses regarding prebiotic chemical systems. New data, new observations, and new techniques are required.”

Currently, there is no working theory of how life could exist without God!!!

What do you think they’re looking for on Mars? … “could have”

[docstew]

All this time I've been told the Air Force has their pick of the best and brightest candidates, only to be proven wrong now.

The theory of evolution has NOTHING to do with how life originated. The theory of evolution, like any other theory, is a hypothesis that has not yet been proven wrong by empirical data.

All the theory of evolution states is that living creatures will either adapt over time to best fit in their environmental situation, or they will die.

Humans evolve. Want proof? Take two humans, one Masai tribesman from Kenya, the other an Inuit tribesman from Alaska. They're both human, have the same genetic makeup, but couldn't look more different if they tried. The Masai is tall, muscular, and developed the ability to run long distances and survive in high heat because that gave them an advantage in escaping predation and hunting. The Inuit is usually squat, carries a subcutaneous layer of fat, and developed the ability to withstand freezing temperatures with little effect on them. Have them switch environments and both will likely die.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Humans evolve. Want proof? Take two humans, one Masai tribesman from Kenya, the other an Inuit tribesman from Alaska. They're both human, have the same genetic makeup, but couldn't look more different if they tried. The Masai is tall, muscular, and developed the ability to run long distances and survive in high heat because that gave them an advantage in escaping predation and hunting. The Inuit is usually squat, carries a subcutaneous layer of fat, and developed the ability to withstand freezing temperatures with little effect on them. Have them switch environments and both will likely die.

Would that be more along the lines of Natural Selection (NS)?

Not to pick a fight but usually when strict naturalistic-materialists (atheists) talk about evolution they tend to make claims of trans-speciation, i.e. birds evolving from dinosaurs.

It's been my experience that fewer Christians get upset at the idea of Natural Selection when it is presented as such but its evolution implying trans-speciation that drives them up a tree. I can see the former as being theologically permissable to them; trans-speciation, not so much. You can have NS without evolution.

[LRanger]

theory of evolution has NOTHING to do with how life originated

"On the Origin of Species" has NOTHING to do with how life originated???

Better tell NASA.
Written by NASA Exobiology Program Manager: Michael A. Meyer
"Research is focused on tracing the pathways taken by the biogenic elements, leading from the origin of the universe through the major epochs in the evolution of living systems and their precursors. These epochs are 1) The cosmic evolution of the biogenic compounds, 2) prebiotic evolution, 3) the early evolution of life, and 4) the evolution of advanced life."

signed by;
Dr. Michael H. Carr, USGS
Dr. Benton Clark, Martin-Marietta Aerospace
Dr. David J. DesMarais, NASA Ames Research Center
Dr. Donald L. DeVincenzi, NASA Ames Research Center
Dr. Jack D. Farmer, NASA Ames Research Center
Dr. John M. Hayes, Indiana University
Dr. Heinrich Holland, Harvard University
Dr. Bruce Jakosky, University of Colorado
Dr. Gerald F. Joyce, Scripps Research Institute
Dr. John F. Kerridge, University of California, San Diego & NASA HQ (chair)
Dr. Harold P. Klein, Santa Clara University
Dr. Andrew H. Knoll, Harvard University
Dr. Gene D. McDonald, Cornell University
Dr. Christopher P. McKay, NASA Ames Research Center
Dr. Michael A. Meyer, NASA HQ
Dr. Kenneth H. Nealson, University of Wisconsin
Dr. Everett L. Shock, Washington University
Dr. David M. Ward, Montana State University

[docstew]

Would that be more along the lines of Natural Selection (NS)?

Not to pick a fight but usually when strict naturalistic-materialists (atheists) talk about evolution they tend to make claims of trans-speciation, i.e. birds evolving from dinosaurs.

It's been my experience that fewer Christians get upset at the idea of Natural Selection when it is presented as such but its evolution implying trans-speciation that drives them up a tree. I can see the former as being theologically permissable to them; trans-speciation, not so much. You can have NS without evolution.

NS is the meat of the ToE. It supposes that one or more traits are more suitable to a specific environment than another, giving the organism carrying that trait a reproductive advantage. Just like the first bacteria to gain resistance to antibiotics, the new form soon overwhelms the old form, and that species then carries only the new trait. The ToE also supposes that there are many environments suitable for life, just in different ways, such as fresh water/salt water for fish, so no one species of life completely dominates another as long as they don't directly compete.

The ToE assumes that something must be alive, therefore it must consume, excrete and reproduce, in order to be able to utilize these advantageous traits. It never states that a rock gains an advantage over other rocks by coming to life and moving to a different location.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

NS is the meat of the ToE...

I understand that and don't argue against your description.

However, I am suggesting that while the ToE relies on NS you can have NS without accepting the ToE.

[docstew]

I understand that and don't argue against your description.

However, I am suggesting that while the ToE relies on NS you can have NS without accepting the ToE.

I shall concede that point.

[obumazombie]

The law of inheritance of acquired characteristics was disproven. It once was considered a law of science.

[docstew]

The law of inheritance of acquired characteristics was disproven. It once was considered a law of science.

It was also stupid.

The point I've been trying to make, apparently not very well, is that in science, words mean things. People say Law when they mean theory, etc. Laws are those scientific observations that are ALWAYS TRUE. Action ALWAYS EQUALS Reaction (Third Law of Motion). Order always leads to chaos in a closed system (Second Law of Thermodynamics). Theories have been developed after experimentation and observation to fit an observed set of data. There is a Doppler shift of galaxies moving away from us, therefore there must have been a massive motive force, like a big explosion, to propel that much matter to that distance (The Big Bang Theory). Elements are made up of individual pieces, called atoms, that cannot be further divided without losing their properties (Atomic Theory).

These are not interchangeable terms.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

BOSTON (CBS Connecticut) — The National Atheist Party is canceling its secular convention due to a lack of funding

http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2012/08/30/national-atheist-party-cancels-convention-due-to-lack-of-funding/

Unfit to survive?

[obumazombie]

http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2012/08/30/national-atheist-party-cancels-convention-due-to-lack-of-funding/

Unfit to survive?

Imagine that. Maybe they should believe in money.

[DefiantSix]

Imagine that. Maybe they should believe in money.

Money has that whole "In GOD We Trust" thingie.  Can't be seen associated with that, now can they... 

[obumazombie]

Money has that whole "In GOD We Trust" thingie.  Can't be seen associated with that, now can they... 

Correctomundo. Maybe their quest to find nothing to believe in will fail ?

[98ZJUSMC]

That thread blew up quickly, and undeservedly, in my opinion. I see no reason that evolution and creation leaning Christians can't have honest debates without umbrage for one another. Each view has it's merits, and it's shortcomings.

That's true.  I was taught both, concurrently, in Catholic Grade School.  The two are not, necessarily, mutually exclusive.