Bill Nye ‘The Science Guy’ Hits Evolution Deniers

[CactusCarlos]

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2012/08/bill-nye-the-science-guy-hits-evolution-deniers/

In a clip posted to online knowledge forum Big Think via YouTube, former children’s show host Bill Nye spoke out against the denial of evolution, saying such views harm young people especially and hamper scientific progress.

Nye, who hosted the educational show “Bill Nye the Science Guy,” which aired on PBS Kids from 1993 through 1998, made the statements in a clip posted online on Thursday, and has since been viewed over one million times.  In the clip, Nye praises the United States for its contribution to technological innovation, but says that the denial of evolution is unique to the country.

“People still move to the United States. And that’s largely because of the intellectual capital we have, the general understanding of science,” Nye said in the clip. “When you have a portion of the population that doesn’t believe in that, it holds everybody back, really.

“Evolution is the fundamental idea in all of life science, in all of biology. It’s like, it’s very much analogous to trying to do geology without believing in tectonic plates. You’re just not going to get the right answer. Your whole world is just going to be a mystery instead of an exciting place,” he added.

Nye made a three-stop tour through New Hampshire earlier this summer to tout President Obama’s education policies while making a push for science and engineering programs. He has endorsed Obama’s reelection bid.

In the clip, Nye said that one’s “world just becomes fantastically complicated when you don’t believe in evolution.”
“Here are these ancient dinosaur bones or fossils, here is radioactivity, here are distant stars that are just like our star but they’re at a different point in their lifecycle. The idea of deep time, of this billions of years, explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your world view just becomes crazy, just untenable, itself inconsistent,” he said.

Nye then goes on to urge adults not to deny the teaching of evolution to young people.

“And I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, in your world that’s completely inconsistent with everything we observe in the universe, that’s fine, but don’t make your kids do it because we need them. We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need people that can — we need engineers that can build stuff, solve problems.

“It’s just really a hard thing, it’s really a hard thing. You know, in another couple of centuries that world view, I’m sure, will be, it just won’t exist. There’s no evidence for it.”

[Kyle Ricky]

Evolution is nothing but a theory. Just like any other science, there is no facts that support it... I have a hard time believing that the earth started from a big bang, and we all evolved from fish over a span of millions of years.

[Gratiot]

Evolution is nothing but a theory. Just like any other science, there is no facts that support it... I have a hard time believing that he earth started from a big bang, and we all evolved from fish over a span of millions of years.

Please, feel free to believe which ever it is you choose too.  Just remember that there's a number of distinctly different forms of scientific evolution, some with overwhelming "facts".  It's an injustice that many of the ardent anti-evolution proponents intentionally mischaracterize that to not be the case.  While not to support ad hominem attacks, remember that of the two biggest opponents of evolution in the United States at this time; one is in jail for felony fraud (?) and the other I believe was banished from his own congregation for intentionally being deceitful to win people to the anti-evolution side.  Because, as you know, God needs people to lie to defend him    It's a disgrace...     Beyond that, it really doesn't matter what you believe, feel free to believe as you wish.

[DefiantSix]

Evolution is nothing but a theory. Just like any other science, there is no facts that support it... I have a hard time believing that the earth started from a big bang, and we all evolved from fish over a span of millions of years.

Problem with evolution theory is that physics says matter, without intelligent intervention, will only go from a higher state of order to a more disorganized state.  Ergo, in this universe at least, it is impossible for a swirling puddle of amino acids to form DNA chains, or for those DNA chains to organize into more complex cells or life forms without external direction.

(It is entirely possible, though, that the average Dhimmi'Rat is an evolved critter, as most of them aren't as organized or intelligent as your average puddle of goo.)  

[Kyle Ricky]

Please, feel free to believe which ever it is you choose too.  Just remember that there's a number of distinctly different forms of scientific evolution, some with overwhelming "facts".  It's an injustice that many of the ardent anti-evolution proponents intentionally mischaracterize that to not be the case.  While not to support ad hominem attacks, remember that of the two biggest opponents of evolution in the United States at this time; one is in jail for felony fraud (?) and the other I believe was banished from his own congregation for intentionally being deceitful to win people to the anti-evolution side.  Because, as you know, God needs people to lie to defend him    It's a disgrace...    Beyond that, it really doesn't matter what you believe, feel free to believe as you wish.

Excuse me?

Problem with evolution theory is that physics says matter, without intelligent intervention, will only go from a higher state of order to a more disorganized state.  Ergo, in this universe at least, it is impossible for a swirling puddle of amino acids to form DNA chains, or for those DNA chains to organize into more complex cells or life forms without external direction.

(It is entirely possible, though, that the average Dhimmi'Rat is an evolved critter, as most of them aren't as organized or intelligent as your average puddle of goo.) 

I believe DUmmies evolved from a rock. As that is about how dumb they are.

[CactusCarlos]

Because, as you know, God needs people to lie to defend him    It's a disgrace...    

Excuse me?

Sarcasm.

[Kyle Ricky]

Sarcasm.

Sorry, but I don't consider that to be sarcasm.

[obumazombie]

Problem with evolution theory is that physics says matter, without intelligent intervention, will only go from a higher state of order to a more disorganized state.  Ergo, in this universe at least, it is impossible for a swirling puddle of amino acids to form DNA chains, or for those DNA chains to organize into more complex cells or life forms without external direction.

(It is entirely possible, though, that the average Dhimmi'Rat is an evolved critter, as most of them aren't as organized or intelligent as your average puddle of goo.)  

Entropy and enthalpy should eventually lead to stability.

[Gratiot]

Excuse me?

What you bolded was in reference to the absurd, despicable, and vile notion that some prominent anti-evolutionist hold.  That they can be incredibly unchristian in their deceit and attack on evolution, because they believe they're defending God.  Personally I prefer Ravenhill's view that God doesn't need our defense as the Word of God is a spiritual Lion.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Sorry, but I don't consider that to be sarcasm.

He probably doesn't need people on the internet sniffing disapprovingly for Him, either.

[Kyle Ricky]

What you bolded was in reference to the absurd, despicable, and vile notion that some prominent anti-evolutionist hold.  That they can be incredibly unchristian in their deceit and attack on evolution, because they believe they're defending God.  Personally I prefer Ravenhill's view that God doesn't need our defense as the Word of God is a spiritual Lion.

You said people have to lie to defend God. That caught me off guard. So are you saying you believe in evolution?

He probably doesn't need people on the internet sniffing disapprovingly for Him, either.

I don't care, quite frankly, he said that people have to lie to defend God. What makes one think that people don't lie to defend evolution? Show me facts the earth is millions of years old. Carbon dating? The half life is only 5,000 years. Anything past that is a guess. It has been proven that people are lying to defend Global Warming. What makes you think the same thing isn't happening with evolution? 

[Gratiot]

You said people have to lie to defend God. That caught me off guard. So are you saying you believe in evolution?

You're really not grasping context.

[Kyle Ricky]

You're really not grasping context.

No, I grasp that you said that people don't have to lie to defend God (after you said that people do).

[Gratiot]

No, I grasp that you said that people don't have to lie to defend God (after you said that people do).

Not wanting to reiterate something as simple as my previous statement, I'll simplify things by reducing them down to two personal belief statements.  One being that God does not need our defense.  While the other being that intentional deceit and lies towards fellow Christians, doesn't defend or serve God.

[Kyle Ricky]

Not wanting to reiterate something as simple as my previous statement, I'll simplify things by reducing them down to two personal belief statements.  One being that God does not need our defense.  While the other being that intentional deceit and lies towards fellow Christians, doesn't defend or serve God.

Both right statements. So if someone says that evolution isn't real, are they being deceitful towards God?

[DumbAss Tanker]

I don't care, quite frankly, he said that people have to lie to defend God. What makes one think that people don't lie to defend evolution? Show me facts the earth is millions of years old. Carbon dating? The half life is only 5,000 years. Anything past that is a guess. It has been proven that people are lying to defend Global Warming. What makes you think the same thing isn't happening with evolution? 

Suit yourself, but that isn't particularly close to what he said at all, really the converse of his meaning.  You're shadow-boxing with an affront to your belief that you yourself invented and want to get spun up about, and nobody else does.

On the science part, I'm not sure you understand what 'Halflife' really means for radioisotopes, because the inverse exponential relationship to measure something that decreased by half every 5,000 years should actually be an excellent method for measuring surviving organic material out to several tens of thousands of years for remains containing mainly carbon.  For instance, if the tested item had 1/16 the proportion of C14 in it that living matter would have, that would peg it right at about 20,000 since it stopped adding new environmental carbon to its structure.  The limit for the method is about 60,000 years, but there are similar techniques for other longer-lived radioisotopes beyond that.  It does require extreme precision instrumentation to do it at all.

Now the last part of that I suppose depends on what you mean by 'Facts.'  If the only thing that makes something a 'Fact' is that it's written in the Bible, it's an argument that can't be beat even if it does eventually lead to the conclusion that nobody really knows why airplanes fly, they just do.  If you dismiss fossils and geology as 'Facts' on the basis that either 'That all happened in forty days' despite the differences in rock layers and development for totally unexamined reasons, or 'God made it that way to fool the Faithless,' there's certainly no beating that one either, since nothing that conflicts with it is going to make it over the hurdle of becoming a 'Fact,' so nothing productive could be gained by going any further down that road.

[Kyle Ricky]

Suit yourself, but that isn't particularly close to what he said at all, really the converse of his meaning.  You're shadow-boxing with an affront to your belief that you yourself invented and want to get spun up about, and nobody else does.

On the science part, I'm not sure you understand what 'Halflife' really means for radioisotopes, because the inverse exponential relationship to measure something that decreased by half every 5,000 years should actually be an excellent method for measuring surviving organic material out to several tens of thousands of years for remains containing mainly carbon.  For instance, if the tested item had 1/16 the proportion of C14 in it that living matter would have, that would peg it right at about 20,000 since it stopped adding new environmental carbon to its structure.  The limit for the method is about 60,000 years, but there are similar techniques for other longer-lived radioisotopes beyond that.  It does require extreme precision instrumentation to do it at all.

Now the last part of that I suppose depends on what you mean by 'Facts.'  If the only thing that makes something a 'Fact' is that it's written in the Bible, it's an argument that can't be beat even if it does eventually lead to the conclusion that nobody really knows why airplanes fly, they just do.  If you dismiss fossils and geology as 'Facts' on the basis that either 'That all happened in forty days' despite the differences in rock layers and development for totally unexamined reasons, or 'God made it that way to fool the Faithless,' there's certainly no beating that one either, since nothing that conflicts with it is going to make it over the hurdle of becoming a 'Fact,' so nothing productive could be gained by going any further down that road.

I know what he said. I know he was being sarcastic. Sometimes it is hard to to see the emotions on the web. Yes, I am a creationist. But the bible does mention some things of science, like the Dinosaurs for example; they are called Great Beasts or Leviathans. And if you look at recent archeological findings, science is proving the bible right. Whether someone believes it or not.

[Gratiot]

  

[Kyle Ricky]

 

The bible is wrong? And Darwin was right?

[Gratiot]

The bible is wrong? And Darwin was right?

I'm sorry but you're a ****ing retard with your logic and conclusions.  I hope that wasn't too difficult to grasp, I'm going to put you on ignore now so I don't see any more of this drivel.  I now understand why science is so difficult for you.

[Kyle Ricky]

I'm sorry but you're a ****ing retard with your logic and conclusions.  I hope that wasn't too difficult to grasp, I'm going to put you on ignore now so I don't see any more of this drivel.  I now understand why science is so difficult for you.

Thank you for proving my thought....

[obumazombie]

That thread blew up quickly, and undeservedly, in my opinion. I see no reason that evolution and creation leaning Christians can't have honest debates without umbrage for one another. Each view has it's merits, and it's shortcomings.

[LRanger]

Harvard University's 'Origins of Life in the Universe Initiative' is an interdisciplinary effort consisting of leading physics, chemistry, and biology evolutionary scientist to prove that life, “could have taken place with no divine intervention.”

This ongoing project started about 2005.
So far, no cigar.

‘The Science Guy’ demands that children be taught to accept, without question, what the real evolutionary scientist are desperately trying to prove.
Correction; they’re only looking for “could have.”

David P. Barash evolutionary biologist and professor of psychology at the University of Washington: "When scientists speak to the public or to students, we talk about what we know, what science has discovered. ... But it gives the false impression that we know pretty much everything, whereas the reality is that there's a whole lot more that we don't know."

Mr. ‘The Science Guy’, real science doesn’t demand that you accept a theory; it challenges you to prove or disprove the theory.
 

[LRanger]

If you dismiss fossils and geology as 'Facts'...

"Why then is not every geological formation and every strata full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely-graduated organic chain; and this perhaps, is the most obvious and serious objection which can be urged against my theory." Charles Darwin

[LRanger]

Gratiot: Just remember that there's a number of distinctly different forms of scientific evolution, some with overwhelming "facts".

If you think you’ve got “facts”, then please get hold of David R. Liu, professor of chemistry and chemical biology at Harvard; ‘Origins of Life in the Universe Initiative’.
They desperately need your help!!!
They’re looking for some “facts”; not really “facts”, but “could have.”

Read every theory supporting evolution; it’s always “could have.”
Once you have a “could have” then the evolution cult members demand that it be accepted as a “fact.”

Most of the “facts”, that is “could haves”, have been proven impossible!

Ever wonder why evolutionary scientists are so desperate to search planets for the origin of life when there’s such a massive presence of life on every square inch of Earth?
You have 100 trillion critters living in, and on, your body.
A real scientific fact is that there’s currently no workable theory of how life could have started on Earth!

Prebiotic Evolution; "Research in recent years has challenged all aspects of this paradigm as well as the assumptions on which it is based." Dr. Michael A. Meyer, Discipline Scientist for the Exobiology Program, NASA Headquarters.