Vlada Mitty gives us the state of politics in this country

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021152974

Oh my.

nadinbrzezinski (107,805 posts)

This is the state of politics in our country

and sadly, while describing a local situation in San Diego, it applies where you live. Go pay attention to your local boards. Recently we had a vote here on Wind Turbines and wind turbine projects. (But it is GREEN ENERGY...) Yes, and it still has some downsides, in fire country pretty significant down sides.

1.- Fires... you'd think that in fire country that be a pretty damn no-no

2.- They are very tall, making FIREFIGHTING more hazardous... see they use planes and choppers which have to fly in very hazardous conditions... you just added more risks for the pilots.

Anyhow, this was approved. We have our lovely board of supervisors. Did I mention it is supposed to be non political? Oh wait, never mind. All my board of supervisors members ARE REPUBLICAN... STill the only one that voted against the development... (wait what?) and is all for starting to put SOLAR all over and implementing a DISTRIBUTIVE model of energy production happens to represent the BACK COUNTRY... where well, we have those very real fire threats.

Gets even better, she did so not because of how green or how not green wind is, but because of the pretty significant fires we have had in the back country in recent years. She did it for public safety reasons. And she also knows that we need SOLAR.

Now here is another thing I want all of you to understand, we have had A LOT of Bureau of Land Management lands approved for these industrial developments... (but we need green energy), yes, yes we do, but these industrial developments are literally building up within a 20th century model of single point of distribution energy grids. We need to be really creative about this.

Care to ask why San Diego County went dark not too long ago? A SINGLE point of failure in the grid. That single point of failure turned off the lights all the way from Arizona to Ensenada, to Southern Orange County. That is a SINGLE point of failure. This is exactly what we continue to build and these companies, their life depends on this vulnerable, industrial, system of production. We have now the possibly of a mixture of both centralized and distributive energy grids. A distributive energy grid, why SEMPRA will attack it, is a direct challenge to the business model.

This is not NYMBY, this is quite frankly, being blind to different ways of possibly doing things that will increase the commons back to more people and away from very powerful energy conglomerates.

But going back to the beginning, what ails us in our politics is that pols are incapable of seeing a problem unless it affects them directly. THis is why my local supervisor voted against one of these projects... and mark my words, as more and more of these projects go on line, we will have a few fires tracked back to wind turbines.

But, but they are green and safe and wonderful, go hug a turbine! Here, some reading for you.

http://alfin2300.blogspot.com/2012/04/wind-turbines-fire-danger-to-wildlands.html

Oh here is more

never mind the "more;" Vlada Mitty's too long-winded as it is

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nadinbrzezinski (107,805 posts)

1. Kick

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And then, four minutes later:

zappaman (5,773 posts)

2. Why did you post the exact same thing in 2 forums?

One here and one in the California forum?

Regardless, I can't make heads or tails of this word salad.

[obumazombie]

Word salad, is that the salad de jour ? That sounds good, I'll have that.

[ChuckJ]

zappaman (5,773 posts)

2. Why did you post the exact same thing in 2 forums?

One here and one in the California forum?

Regardless, I can't make heads or tails of this word salad.

That's because, as per DUmmie Jillian, nads is a teabagger.

[andhe78]

I have the hardest time following the liberal thought process on this.  "Green energy is good, green energy is needed, but don't place windmills here, they kill birds; don't place them here, they cause noise pollution; don't place them here, they cause forest fires; etc.  For something they want so bad, they seem to make an awful lot of excuses to get out of it.

[obumazombie]

I have the hardest time following the liberal thought process on this.  "Green energy is good, green energy is needed, but don't place windmills here, they kill birds; don't place them here, they cause noise pollution; don't place them here, they cause forest fires; etc.  For something they want so bad, they seem to make an awful lot of excuses to get out of it.

Nimby is the final lib word.

[Bad Dog]

Is electrical engineer allready on her resume?

[dane]

Poor gNads.  She cannot remember what she typed, and doesn't have the common sense to review only a few short lines.  That calls for the question

Did I mention it is supposed to...

Sad, really.

[dane]

Nimby is the final lib word.

Poor gNads can't even spell the acronym correctly

This is not NYMBY

Come on gNads.  Type it, then say the words to yourself as you look at each letter.  Suffice it to say, it is *that* easy.

[obumazombie]

Poor gNads can't even spell the acronym correctly  Come on gNads.  Type it, then say the words to yourself as you look at each letter.  Suffice it to say, it is *that* easy.

That's good stuff dane.
Or as Banyon would say...
That's gold Jerry, gold !