Is this how Obama will steal election?

[CG6468]

Is this how Obama will steal election?

This quiet push would make citizens in dozens of states irrelevant

Progressive organizations are quietly pushing a “popular vote” that could see only 14 states – those with the largest populations – decide the presidency for voters in all 50 states, according to a book released this week that’s now skyrocketing up bestseller charts.
 
The book contains a bonus chapter on the subject and documents concerns over voter fraud in the upcoming presidential election.

It also presents new information about a foreign-based company – Scytl – running hundreds of online U.S. voting systems.
 
“Fool Me Twice: Obama’s Shocking Plans for the Next Four Years Exposed” uncovers the template for Obama’s next four years – the actual, extensive plans created by Obama’s own top advisers and progressive strategists.
 
The book is written by New York Times bestselling authors Aaron Klein and Brenda J. Elliott.
 
“Fool Me Twice” unveils all the main areas of Obama’s second-term domestic policy onslaught – jobs, wages, health care, immigration “overhaul,” electoral “reform,” national energy policy, Pentagon plans and more.
 
National Popular Vote
 
The vote for president is the only one in which all Americans vote for a national leader. In framing the U.S. Constitution, Klein and Elliott write, the Founding Fathers displayed their characteristic wisdom and subtlety in firmly rejecting a purely popular vote to elect the president, in order to balance the power of the larger states against the smaller.
 
The Electoral College was fashioned as a compromise between an election of the president by direct popular vote and election by Congress.
 
However, “Fool Me Twice” documents how a group backed by a who’s who of the progressive left, calling itself the National Popular Vote, or NPV, has already been successful in quietly pushing for abolishing the Electoral College in favor of a “popular vote.”
 
“Under the rubric of a ‘National Popular Vote,’ this plan would allow the 14 most populous American states, mostly majority-Democrat, to determine the outcome of future presidential elections. The voters of the 36 less populous states would then effectively be disenfranchised,” warn Klein and Elliott.
 
The plan is already gaining traction.

I find no reason to disbelieve this

[Kyle Ricky]

They were talking about this when Bush won in 2000. Because Gore won the popular vote. The reason they haven't done it is because it would knock out all but, like said, 14 states.  I don't agree with the popular vote. All legal citizens should be involved in it. So the delegate votes are here to stay. There is no way that the SCOTUS would make it popular vote, as if it was tried by the dems, you would see all 52 states filing lawsuits.

If you look, it is the dems who are trying to push it. And if you look right now, obama is ahead pretty good according to the popular vote.

Edited because I can't spell.

[Duke Nukum]

Mark Levin had this guy on his show tonight. His podcast should be up by now. I think it was the start of the third hour but not exactly sure.

[Duke Nukum]

They were talking about this when Bush one in 2000. Because Gore won the popular vote. The reason they haven't done it is because it would knock out all but, like said, 14 states.  I don't agree with the popular vote. All legal citizens should be involved in it. So the delegate votes are here to stay. There is no way that the SCOTUS would make it popular vote, as if it was tried by the dems, you would see all 52 states filing lawsuits.

If you look, it is the dems who are trying to push it. And if you look right now, obama is ahead pretty good according to the popular vote.

52 states? What about the other six?

[BigTex]

They were talking about this when Bush won in 2000. Because Gore won the popular vote. The reason they haven't done it is because it would knock out all but, like said, 14 states.  I don't agree with the popular vote. All legal citizens should be involved in it. So the delegate votes are here to stay. There is no way that the SCOTUS would make it popular vote, as if it was tried by the dems, you would see all 52 states filing lawsuits.

If you look, it is the dems who are trying to push it. And if you look right now, obama is ahead pretty good according to the popular vote.

Edited because I can't spell.

You realize those same 14 states are all that are needed to win the EV vote also? You are even more at thier mercy with the electoral college since they would only need 51% democrat to win the EV but they would need 100% democrat to win the popular with just those states.

[Kyle Ricky]

You realize those same 14 states are all that are needed to win the EV vote also? You are even more at thier mercy with the electoral college since they would only need 51% democrat to win the EV but they would need 100% democrat to win the popular with just those states.

With the PV you are restricting people from voting. With the EV you are not.

[BigTex]

With the PV you are restricting people from voting. With the EV you are not.

How are you restricting people from voting with a PV? All votes count for something. EV makes people feel like thier vote doesnt count. because we already know how about 38 states are going to vote so the opposing party voters in that state have worthless votes.

The whole thing is a non issue because there will probably never be another EV/PV mismatch in our lifetimes. The reason dems are pushing it is obviously because of Gore, if 2000 had been reversed you know the GOP would be leading the charge.

Of those 14, 8 are dem locks, 3 are GOP locks and 3 are toss ups. The GOP is already at the point where they have to win all of the toss ups to win the election. If one more of those goes blue it could make it nearly impossible for the GOP to win even if they do win the PV.

[obumazombie]

No one has ever heard of 52 pickup ? If we are to use owebuma as the standard, there are 57 states, with 2 left to visit. I speak Austrian.

[DefiantSix]

Is this how Obama will steal election?

Before we all start hyperventilating staring into this abyss, remember that the Electoral College is written into the core of the Constitution.  It would require an amendment of the Constitution - ratified by more than the 14 most populous states of the union - in order to negate the electoral vote.  There is no possible way - not even with an EXECUTIVE ORDER from The Holy WON of Chicago - the moonbats could get that orchestrated in the eighty some odd days left before the election.

[DefiantSix]

No one has ever heard of 52 pickup ? If we are to use owebuma as the standard, there are 57 states, with 2 left to visit. I speak Austrian.

<=== Learned Austrian in high school (lo, these many decades ago...) 

[docstew]

Before we all start hyperventilating staring into this abyss, remember that the Electoral College is written into the core of the Constitution.  It would require an amendment of the Constitution - ratified by more than the 14 most populous states of the union - in order to negate the electoral vote.  There is no possible way - not even with an EXECUTIVE ORDER from The Holy WON of Chicago - the moonbats could get that orchestrated in the eighty some odd days left before the election.

H5 for clarity and reason

[Kyle Ricky]

How are you restricting people from voting with a PV? All votes count for something. EV makes people feel like thier vote doesnt count. because we already know how about 38 states are going to vote so the opposing party voters in that state have worthless votes.

The whole thing is a non issue because there will probably never be another EV/PV mismatch in our lifetimes. The reason dems are pushing it is obviously because of Gore, if 2000 had been reversed you know the GOP would be leading the charge.

Of those 14, 8 are dem locks, 3 are GOP locks and 3 are toss ups. The GOP is already at the point where they have to win all of the toss ups to win the election. If one more of those goes blue it could make it nearly impossible for the GOP to win even if they do win the PV.

It will make only 14 states required, thus making the other38 states null and void. In my eyes, that is restricting the vote.

During campaign season you will only ever see the candidates go to those 14 states, and the conventions will only be held in those 14 states. Ads for the elections will only be aired in those 14 states. Thus, in my eyes, restricting the other 38.

What if they do this on the state level? Will it only be the most populated counties that get to vote?

What about the federal government - House and Senate? With the other 38 states null and void. Only the top 14 states will have representatives there.

See where this is going?

Edit: If they want PV then the 14 states that matter can separate from the Union to form their own country, and leave the other 38 to still have the EV.

[BigTex]

It will make only 14 states required, thus making the other38 states null and void. In my eyes, that is restricting the vote.

During campaign season you will only ever see the candidates go to those 14 states, and the conventions will only be held in those 14 states. Ads for the elections will only be aired in those 14 states. Thus, in my eyes, restricting the other 38.

What if they do this on the state level? Will it only be the most populated counties that get to vote?

What about the federal government - House and Senate? With the other 38 states null and void. Only the top 14 states will have representatives there.

See where this is going?

Edit: If they want PV then the 14 states that matter can separate from the Union to form their own country, and leave the other 38 to still have the EV.

They would have to go to more than 14 states because as I pointed out they would have to win nearly 100% of the vote to win with just those states. But look at the electoral college since only about 12 states are up for grabs they are only campaigning in those 12 states.

And BTW you keep mentioning 52 states. There are only 50 and even if you are counting DC as a state since it gets EVs that's only 51.

[CG6468]

In some states, like Illinois, a Republican vote means nothing except in the very few really strong Republican districts.

[CG6468]

They would have to go to more than 14 states because as I pointed out they would have to win nearly 100% of the vote to win with just those states. But look at the electoral college since only about 12 states are up for grabs they are only campaigning in those 12 states.

And BTW you keep mentioning 52 states. There are only 50 and even if you are counting DC as a state since it gets EVs that's only 51.

Puerto Rico is a territory and its votes also count. That makes 52.

[Kyle Ricky]

They would have to go to more than 14 states because as I pointed out they would have to win nearly 100% of the vote to win with just those states. But look at the electoral college since only about 12 states are up for grabs they are only campaigning in those 12 states.

And BTW you keep mentioning 52 states. There are only 50 and even if you are counting DC as a state since it gets EVs that's only 51.

I am including DC and Puerto Rico.

Puerto Rico is a territory and its votes also count. That makes 52.

You posted this at the same time I posted mine.

[CG6468]

You posted this at the same time I posted mine.

Echo chamber effect!

[Kyle Ricky]

Echo chamber effect!

It must be.. 

[BigTex]

Puerto Rico doesn't get to vote for the president.

[CG6468]

Puerto Rico doesn't get to vote for the president.

That is correct.

[BigTex]

That is correct.

Then why did you post this?

Puerto Rico is a territory and its votes also count.

[Kyle Ricky]

Puerto Rico doesn't get to vote for the president.

Yeah, I was thinking they did since people from there are US citizens. The get to participate in the primaries, but not the general election.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/05/puerto-rico-and-the-general-election/

[Jasonw560]

We could resort to voter fraud.
 

[obumazombie]

We could resort to voter fraud.
 

Can of worms. We need an emoticon for that.

[CG6468]

Yeah, I was thinking they did since people from there are US citizens. The get to participate in the primaries, but not the general election.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/05/puerto-rico-and-the-general-election/

I thought the same thing.