Charlie Brown finds total absence of football as momentum carries him forward

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doc03 (12,163 posts)

My Fox addicted neighbor said the woman Obama claims Romney killed didn't die until five
years after he left Bain and she also had insurance the whole time from her oun employer. She also said that Fox said Obama has spent a million dollars to keep
his Harvard records secret. These Fox people always come up with stuff like that, is it true or not?

uponit7771 (13,921 posts)
1. All red herings to the point of the ad; rMoney fired someone, they lost their health care coverage..

...or ALL (cause I've had dual coverage also) and the person died.

Dual coverage can help pay non covered part of a bill the primary HCI doesn't cover

When the facts are on your side; pound the facts.

When the law is on your side; pound the law.

When neither is on your side; pound the table.

Johonny (10,088 posts)

3. Global warming is fake because Al Gore has a big house[It also makes him a hypocrite --Sgt SB]

that's about the size of this response. The Ad is about what really happened to people in companies Bain touches. Since the outcome that Bain destroys jobs can't be touched they attack the guy in the commercial. So the argument becomes about his dead wife instead of the real life consequences of Bain capital.

doc03 (12,163 posts)
8. Yes but the ad implys she died because she didn't have health insurance. If she did have

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insurance from her employer all along the ad is a lie. If you are going to make an acusation in an ad and it is false it makes us look like an ass when they prove you wrong.

Lone_Star_Dem (24,657 posts)

9. She didn't.

She lost it before she got sick. He lost his coverage previously due to Romney closing down the plant he worked at. He never regained coverage. Subsequently she had no coverage when she became sick with cancer.

B2G (1,016 posts)
11. Correction: He regained coverage for himself

But didn't add his wife to the plan because it was 'too expensive'.

RedStateLiberal (784 posts)
5. Obama is not claiming Romney killed anybody.

That's just ridiculous.

The ad in question is not from the Obama campaign. It's from a PAC. It is illegal for the Obama campaign to coordinate with a that PAC.

The ad is about the man losing his health care coverage due to Bain/Romney killing his job. Yes, he mentions that his wife died (and it's true that it was 5 years after he lost coverage) but that's not the point of the ad.

Did he go too far by bringing up his dead wife? Yeah, probably but the manufactured outrage from the media on this is hypocritical because they won't hold Romney accountable for the many blatant lies he's been telling - even in ads from his own campaign - and definitley not ads from pro-Romney PACs. Why isn't Romney pressured to denounce the despicable birther ad from a conservative PAC?

The lie about Obama spending money to hide his records is from WND (World Nut Daily) and Donald Trump. 'Nuff said.

Jedi mind-trick FAIL

B2G (1,016 posts)
10. Here's the way it went down

Soptic’s company went bankrupt in 2001. At that time, he was offered a buyout by Bain Capital, which he refused.

Soptic’s wife retained her own health insurance, provided by her employer, until 2003. She had a job at Savers Thrift Store at the time Joe Soptic was laid off and had her own health insurance.

He got another job six months later, working as a school custodian. He was offered the option of including his wife on his health insurance plan. He declined, because he said it was too expensive.

He suspected she was sick but she refused to go to the doctor.

Soptic’s wife was diagnosed with cancer in 2006, and tragically died only a few weeks later.

It's tragic, but the ad is very misleading, and now it's being questioned.
Not surprising in light of the charges.

doc03 (12,163 posts)
16. So she could have had insurance but he took the bet and lost. How is that anyones

fault except his?

Nancy Pelosi has a word for people like that...

..."freeloaders."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021100544

[Skul]

Quick, somebody throw a pick and shovel down that hole.
They're at it again.

[miskie]

I really like all the calls to leave Joe The Steelworker alone even though it appears he is complicit in distorting the truth involving his sadly deceased wife, yet they had no problem destroying the life of Joe The Plumber for asking Obama an inconvenient question next to a live microphone.

Gotta love primitives and their "platinum-quality" morality.

[ChuckJ]

The lie about Obama spending money to hide his records is from WND (World Nut Daily) and Donald Trump. 'Nuff said.

Which is the lie? That 0 has kept his records hidden? Or that he's spent money to keep his records hidden? If he hasn't kept his records hidden where can I view them? If he has kept them hidden it is because something very bad is in them (or so I've learned from DU).

[miskie]

And The GOP has responded --

[youtube=560,315]DSs9v2tUuXE[/youtube]

I think we are going to get as much mileage out of this as we did with 'you didn't build that' - Maybe even more 

[zeitgeist]

May I add this thread as a compendium thread courtesy of the GayWorrier.


http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10021088727

graywarrior (53,936 posts)

Can we discuss Wayne Allyn Root, because this is all over fb.


You may need to exit the page once to avoid the popup and then go back into it. This is really bringing out the Obama haters at fb.
 
http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/obama%E2%80%99s-college-classmate-the-obama-scandal-is-at-columbia/
 
{Snip}

If you could unseal Obama’s Columbia University records I believe you’d find that:
 
A) He rarely ever attended class.

B) His grades were not those typical of what we understand it takes to get into Harvard Law School.
 
C) He attended Columbia as a foreign exchange student.

D) He paid little for either undergraduate college or Harvard Law School because of foreign aid and scholarships given to a poor foreign students like this kid Barry Soetoro from Indonesia.
 
If you think I’m “fishing” then prove me wrong. Open up your records Mr. President. What are you afraid of?
 
If it’s okay for U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to go on a fishing expedition about Romney’s taxes (even though he knows absolutely nothing about them nor will release his own), then I think I can do the same thing. But as Obama’s Columbia Class of ’83 classmate, at least I have more standing to make educated guesses.
 
It’s time for Mitt to go on the attack and call Obama’s bluff.

Apu adds this reliable source....

apnu (4,746 posts)

50. I use this factcheck.org link to debunk all this college records bullshit.


http://factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

I tell them to read it and weep.

Credibility yer doing it wong.

[miskie]

Credibility yer doing it wong.

I've read the factcheck.org link - The short of it is the author of this piece quibbles over the meaning of the word 'sealed' - Factcheck.org refers to the legal definition of the word to 'debunk' the 'myth' - but the truth remains that nobody can actually get any of these records, because they haven't been released. Functionally speaking, they are sealed, not by the courts, but by Obama himself in his refusal to release data.